Friday, December 3, 2010

www.auto.pdniaga.com - Digest Number 2801[1 Attachment]

Kereta , Motor , Alat Ganti & Aksesori

Messages In This Digest (11 Messages)

1.
Fw: Proton 'TUAH' 2012 From: :: eSpAcE 9808 ::
2.
Fw: AWAS ! From: :: eSpAcE 9808 ::
3.
Fw: laptop safety From: :: eSpAcE 9808 ::
4.
Fw: What Happens if you Clamp a Woman's Car? From: :: eSpAcE 9808 ::
5a.
Re: Proton 'TUAH' 2012 From: tarmaizi_abu-bakar@agilent.com
6.
FW: Proton Pahlawan Concept KLMS 2010 From: Harris Bin Haron
7a.
Re: nak endorse enjin From: Azmi OilyMan
7b.
Re: nak endorse enjin From: brader8
8a.
Re: FW: Proton 'TUAH' 2012 From: shidan shidan
9a.
Nak share story From: Azmi OilyMan
9b.
Re: Nak share story From: Mat Yie

Messages

1.

Fw: Proton 'TUAH' 2012

Posted by: ":: eSpAcE 9808 ::" rienacom@yahoo.com.sg   rienacom

Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:58 am (PST)




Adakah kat motor show KL yang bermula esok kita dapat lihat kereta ini?

----- Original Message -----
From: Harris Bin Haron

Subject: Proton 'TUAH' 2012

----- Original Message -----
From: AcAi Azfar

Subject: Proton Tuah

ini macam br smart..
pandai pun proton design..

2.

Fw: AWAS !

Posted by: ":: eSpAcE 9808 ::" rienacom@yahoo.com.sg   rienacom

Thu Dec 2, 2010 6:00 am (PST)



----- Original Message -----
From: aya77

Subject: AWAS !!!

Kejadian berlaku kt toilet petrol palm kt McDonalds Ulu kelang. Kejadian antara pukul 9 malam hari khamis 24.11.2010 minggu lepas.

Baru-baru ini, seorang kakitangan wanita Felda bersama anak kecilnya yang berusia 4 tahun telah dirompak dengan bersenjatakan parang di dalam tandas wanita. Perompak tersebut adalah seorang lelaki. Dia telah menunggu mangsa di dalam tandas wanita. Perompak tersebut berjaya melarikan bag tangan yang berisi dompet, wang dan telefon bimbit serta barang kemas mangsa… Mujurlah tiada kecederaan yang berlaku.

Moral of the story, JANGAN membawa sebarang barang kemas, bag tangan/duit, telefon bimbit ketika ingin ke tandas. Selain dari mengelak diri anda dari dirompak, ianya juga dapat mengelakkan anda dari terlupa (tertinggal)… Oleh itu berhati-hatilah sepanjang masa…

Ketahuilah PEROMPAK (LANUN) juga hari-hari memikirkan pelbagai kaedah baru untuk mendapatkan duit…
3.

Fw: laptop safety

Posted by: ":: eSpAcE 9808 ::" rienacom@yahoo.com.sg   rienacom

Thu Dec 2, 2010 6:24 am (PST)



----- Original Message -----
From: Savvy Merah

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: "Najibuddin, Zarini" <Zarini.Najibuddin@marsh.com>

From: Hiew, Christina

Subject: laptop safety

couple lost their 25 year old son, Arun Gopal Ratnam, in a fire at home
on June 4th. The son who had graduated with MBA from the University of
Wisconsin-Madison two weeks earlier had come home for a while. He had lunch
with his dad at home and decided to go back to clean up his hostel room.
His father told him to wait, to meet his mother, before he went back for a
few days. Arun decided to take a nap while waiting for his mom to come back
home from work.

Some time later their neighbors called 911 when they saw black smoke
coming out of the house. Unfortunately, 25 years old Arun died in the three
year old house. It took several days of investigation to find out the cause
of the fire. It was determined that the fire was caused by the laptop
resting on the bed.

When the lap top was on the bed cooling fan did not get the air to cool
the computer and that is what caused the fire. He did not even wake up to
get out of the bed because he died of breathing in carbon monoxide.

The reason I am writing this to all of you is that I have seen many of
us using our lap top while in bed. Let us all decide and make it a practice
not to do that. The risk is real. Let us make it a rule not to use the laptop
on bed or put the computer on bed with blankets and pillows around.

Please educate as many people as you can.
4.

Fw: What Happens if you Clamp a Woman's Car?

Posted by: ":: eSpAcE 9808 ::" rienacom@yahoo.com.sg   rienacom

Thu Dec 2, 2010 7:54 am (PST)

[Attachment(s) from :: eSpAcE 9808 :: included below]

----- Original Message -----
From: JUNHAIRI BIN ABD JALIL

Subject: What Happens if you Clamp a Woman's Car?

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5a.

Re: Proton 'TUAH' 2012

Posted by: "tarmaizi_abu-bakar@agilent.com" tarmaizi_abu-bakar@agilent.com

Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:50 pm (PST)



Smart ler yg baru ni kan? Proton ada lg 2 model kuar sekali ngan yg ini

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harris Bin Haron
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 2:33 PM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - FW: Proton 'TUAH' 2012

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6.

FW: Proton Pahlawan Concept KLMS 2010

Posted by: "Harris Bin Haron" Harris@maa.com.my

Thu Dec 2, 2010 6:05 pm (PST)





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Proton Tuah (next generation Persona)

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Proton Jebat

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Proton Kasturi

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Proton Lekir

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Proton Lekiu

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7a.

Re: nak endorse enjin

Posted by: "Azmi OilyMan" mr.oilyman@gmail.com   oilymantech

Thu Dec 2, 2010 8:03 pm (PST)



Hari ni ada mood menulis...

Dulu sy pernah hadapi maslah ni. Beli kete toyota 2nd, dah siap convert
enjin Levin...dlm geran dah siap endorse... so, x citer byk terus beli kete
tu.

Semua urusan sy handle sendiri...so bawa g puspakom utk inspection tukar
nama. Sekali FAIL... no enjin x sama dlm geran.
Tya balik owner baru dia ingat yg dia tukar enjin 2 kali. Tukar kali ke-2
dia x endorse.. surat kastam semua dah xde, mampus...

Nasib baik ada sorang brader boleh kasi setel A-Z.. kos dlm rm700 gak, ada
sorang cina tu nak rm1300, melampau.. Masa tu ada rebet roadtax... jadi
korban duit tu.. Semua ok dah

------
Azmi Abdullah
*OILYMAN TECHNOLOGY*
Shah Alam, Selangor, MALAYSIA
Tel: +60192764645 or +60176930306
E-Mail: azmi@oilyman.com.my
Web: www.oilyman.com.my
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Forum: http://oilyman.com.my/forum
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WE SUPPLY BEST QUALITY OF ENGINE CARBON CLEANER (DECARBONIZER)

2010/12/2 anuar talha <anuar_talha@yahoo.com>

>
>
> better call jpj procedure dia sonang cito
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* brader8 <brader8@gmail.com>
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 1, 2010 15:28:39
> *Subject:* Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - nak endorse enjin
>
>
>
> masalahnya kedai tu pun dah xder tak tau pindah kat mana...no tokei pun dah
> tukar...kira hilang terus lah ni...so mcmna yer?
>
> 2010/11/30 Rahman <man_apache@yahoo.com>
>
>>
>>
>> bukan surat kastam tu salinan je ker? biasa surat kastam dia aku tengok
>> ada mai sekali dengan barang lain kalau 1 kapal....mcm kereta aku dulu(HD)
>> ada sekali dengan enjin GSR dan lain2, leh kut mintak balik dengan kedai
>> yang anda buat...cas mungkin ada la sebab dah double job...
>>
>> sekian pandangan aku...
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* brader8 <brader8@gmail.com>
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Mon, November 29, 2010 11:42:39 AM
>> *Subject:* www.auto.pdniaga.com - nak endorse enjin
>>
>>
>>
>> salam sahabat semua...
>>
>> saya ada satu kemusykilan. tahun lepas saya dah tukar enjin lantai untuk
>> b16a eg9 sbb yg lama dah overheat. dan sampai sekarang masih belum endorse
>> kat jpj lagi. masalahnye sekarang surat kastam untuk enjin tu dah hilang x
>> tau kemana...adakah saya boleh endorse enjin tu guna saluran lain? saya
>> bercadang nak jual kereta tu tahun depan tapi mesti kene cek kat puspakom
>> dulu kan baru boleh jual...mcmne kes saya sekarang ni? tq bebanyak..
>>
>>
>
>
>
7b.

Re: nak endorse enjin

Posted by: "brader8" brader8@gmail.com   brader8

Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:00 am (PST)



ada kontek lagi x bradr tu..ingat nak yanya gak mcmna...boleh lagi ke buat?

2010/12/3 Azmi OilyMan <mr.oilyman@gmail.com>

>
>
> Hari ni ada mood menulis...
>
> Dulu sy pernah hadapi maslah ni. Beli kete toyota 2nd, dah siap convert
> enjin Levin...dlm geran dah siap endorse... so, x citer byk terus beli kete
> tu.
>
> Semua urusan sy handle sendiri...so bawa g puspakom utk inspection tukar
> nama. Sekali FAIL... no enjin x sama dlm geran.
> Tya balik owner baru dia ingat yg dia tukar enjin 2 kali. Tukar kali ke-2
> dia x endorse.. surat kastam semua dah xde, mampus...
>
> Nasib baik ada sorang brader boleh kasi setel A-Z.. kos dlm rm700 gak, ada
> sorang cina tu nak rm1300, melampau.. Masa tu ada rebet roadtax... jadi
> korban duit tu.. Semua ok dah
>
> ------
> Azmi Abdullah
> *OILYMAN TECHNOLOGY*
> Shah Alam, Selangor, MALAYSIA
> Tel: +60192764645 or +60176930306
> E-Mail: azmi@oilyman.com.my
> Web: www.oilyman.com.my
> Video: http://www.youtube.com/user/mienyak
> Forum: http://oilyman.com.my/forum
> FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/azmi-oilyman
> WE SUPPLY BEST QUALITY OF ENGINE CARBON CLEANER (DECARBONIZER)
>
>
> 2010/12/2 anuar talha <anuar_talha@yahoo.com>
>
>
>>
>> better call jpj procedure dia sonang cito
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* brader8 <brader8@gmail.com>
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 1, 2010 15:28:39
>> *Subject:* Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - nak endorse enjin
>>
>>
>>
>> masalahnya kedai tu pun dah xder tak tau pindah kat mana...no tokei pun
>> dah tukar...kira hilang terus lah ni...so mcmna yer?
>>
>> 2010/11/30 Rahman <man_apache@yahoo.com>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bukan surat kastam tu salinan je ker? biasa surat kastam dia aku tengok
>>> ada mai sekali dengan barang lain kalau 1 kapal....mcm kereta aku dulu(HD)
>>> ada sekali dengan enjin GSR dan lain2, leh kut mintak balik dengan kedai
>>> yang anda buat...cas mungkin ada la sebab dah double job...
>>>
>>> sekian pandangan aku...
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* brader8 <brader8@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Mon, November 29, 2010 11:42:39 AM
>>> *Subject:* www.auto.pdniaga.com - nak endorse enjin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> salam sahabat semua...
>>>
>>> saya ada satu kemusykilan. tahun lepas saya dah tukar enjin lantai untuk
>>> b16a eg9 sbb yg lama dah overheat. dan sampai sekarang masih belum endorse
>>> kat jpj lagi. masalahnye sekarang surat kastam untuk enjin tu dah hilang x
>>> tau kemana...adakah saya boleh endorse enjin tu guna saluran lain? saya
>>> bercadang nak jual kereta tu tahun depan tapi mesti kene cek kat puspakom
>>> dulu kan baru boleh jual...mcmne kes saya sekarang ni? tq bebanyak..
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
8a.

Re: FW: Proton 'TUAH' 2012

Posted by: "shidan shidan" syid_dan@yahoo.com   syid_dan

Thu Dec 2, 2010 8:34 pm (PST)



fuyoo..ye ke ni

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Harris Bin Haron <Harris@maa.com.my> wrote:

From: Harris Bin Haron <Harris@maa.com.my>
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - FW: Proton 'TUAH' 2012
To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 10:33 PM

 

 
 

 
 

 
 
 

 

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9a.

Nak share story

Posted by: "Azmi OilyMan" mr.oilyman@gmail.com   oilymantech

Thu Dec 2, 2010 8:35 pm (PST)



Hari ni ada mood menulis..

Dah nak masuk 7 tahun sy kerja cuci karbon enjin kete customer.. mcm2 jenis
enjin boleh jumpa.
Yg terbaru sy jumpa enjin Proton Satria 1.3 standard tapi ada tambah turbo..
mmg dasat la bunyi dush-dush-dush... blow off valve.. Mengikut citer owner,
kete ni semua standard, cuma tambah turbo je.. masalah yg saya tgk ialah
intercooler dia kecik mcm saiz mit.storm punya dan duk atas enjin dibawah
hood (bhs org kg, bonet ) tanpa ada scoop angin utk cooling.. Kete ni xleh
lari laju melebihi 100kmj nanti enjin panas..

So, slps cuci karbon enjin jadi ringan.. dia pecut la 150kmj (extra 50% drpd
biasa).
Nak jadi cerita.. henjutan itu membawa padah apabila gasket blow..enjin jd 3
selinder..
Terus kena buat top overhaul, tukar top-gasket-set..

Kesimpulan... pastikan anda upgrade dgn cara yg betul wlpun nak bajet...
- gasket kena pakai yg metal punya baru tahan pressure turbo
- intercooler kena letak dpn grill agar ia dpt sejukkan udara yg akn masuk
intake
- intercooler kena la besar agar udara sejuk
- piping kena pakai yg s/steel sb kalu getah ia kembang-kuncup
- fuel injector kena tukar yg besar sket supaya ia supply petrol dgn cukup
- fuel injector standard (non-turbo) akan sebabkan piston kering, boleh
tembus nanti..

Ada juga saya jumpa kereta2 yg dulunya mrk guna produk cuci karbon jenama
lain. Tp apabila mrk cuba Professor/OilyMan, baru mrk betul2 feel... Harga
kami pun x mahal.. kena tgk kuantiti dan result.. Terima kasih kpd customer2
kami yg masih setia dgn jenama OilyMan.

Ada juga jumpa customer tokey2 stesen myk yg offer utk buat sales kat stesen
mrk. Tapi sy sykt kecil xde staf yg boleh keluar promote sana-sini.. agen
pulak ramai yg part-time, workshop pulak x nak ambik produk ni sb mrk ckp
kalu dah cuci karbon nanti org xnak buat top-overhaul, rugi. Padahal mrk
lebih untung tp mrk x kira betul2 sb tu nmpak rugi..

InsyaAllah thn dpn akan propose kat sykt pengeluar kereta utk guna produk
OilyMan di pusat servis mrk... tgh cari idea terbaik sb nk handle asap yg
byk dlm wshop tu, boleh biol pala.. Sykt yg ada ISO ni mmg ada karenah yg
terpaksa kita patuhi.. Sape2 ada idea boleh la share dgn sy.. Kalau dpt
projek ni akan terjawablah soalan2 dari org awam "kalau produk ni bagus knp
sykt kete x beli?"...

InsyaAllah jika diberi kelapangan masa akan menulis artikel utk sebuah
majalah permotoran, ttg carbon cleaning / decarbonizer...semoga lebih ramai
yg memahami. Dah lama editor tunggu..

Ada lagi nak citer tp lain kali lah.. nk bersiap g solat Jumaat.

------
Azmi Abdullah
*OILYMAN TECHNOLOGY*
Shah Alam, Selangor, MALAYSIA
Tel: +60192764645 or +60176930306
E-Mail: azmi@oilyman.com.my
Web: www.oilyman.com.my
Video: http://www.youtube.com/user/mienyak
Forum: http://oilyman.com.my/forum
FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/azmi-oilyman
WE SUPPLY BEST QUALITY OF ENGINE CARBON CLEANER (DECARBONIZER)
9b.

Re: Nak share story

Posted by: "Mat Yie" silingkapur@gmail.com

Thu Dec 2, 2010 10:48 pm (PST)



Tahniah En. Mie.
Bila nak kelik pasir puteh?
Raya ari tu dah tak kelik?

Pakai keta apa dah skrg ni?

2010/12/3 Azmi OilyMan <mr.oilyman@gmail.com>

>
>
> Hari ni ada mood menulis..
>
> Dah nak masuk 7 tahun sy kerja cuci karbon enjin kete customer.. mcm2 jenis
> enjin boleh jumpa.
> Yg terbaru sy jumpa enjin Proton Satria 1.3 standard tapi ada tambah
> turbo.. mmg dasat la bunyi dush-dush-dush... blow off valve.. Mengikut citer
> owner, kete ni semua standard, cuma tambah turbo je.. masalah yg saya tgk
> ialah intercooler dia kecik mcm saiz mit.storm punya dan duk atas enjin
> dibawah hood (bhs org kg, bonet ) tanpa ada scoop angin utk cooling.. Kete
> ni xleh lari laju melebihi 100kmj nanti enjin panas..
>
> So, slps cuci karbon enjin jadi ringan.. dia pecut la 150kmj (extra 50%
> drpd biasa).
> Nak jadi cerita.. henjutan itu membawa padah apabila gasket blow..enjin jd
> 3 selinder..
> Terus kena buat top overhaul, tukar top-gasket-set..
>
> Kesimpulan... pastikan anda upgrade dgn cara yg betul wlpun nak bajet...
> - gasket kena pakai yg metal punya baru tahan pressure turbo
> - intercooler kena letak dpn grill agar ia dpt sejukkan udara yg akn masuk
> intake
> - intercooler kena la besar agar udara sejuk
> - piping kena pakai yg s/steel sb kalu getah ia kembang-kuncup
> - fuel injector kena tukar yg besar sket supaya ia supply petrol dgn cukup
> - fuel injector standard (non-turbo) akan sebabkan piston kering, boleh
> tembus nanti..
>
>
> Ada juga saya jumpa kereta2 yg dulunya mrk guna produk cuci karbon jenama
> lain. Tp apabila mrk cuba Professor/OilyMan, baru mrk betul2 feel... Harga
> kami pun x mahal.. kena tgk kuantiti dan result.. Terima kasih kpd customer2
> kami yg masih setia dgn jenama OilyMan.
>
> Ada juga jumpa customer tokey2 stesen myk yg offer utk buat sales kat
> stesen mrk. Tapi sy sykt kecil xde staf yg boleh keluar promote sana-sini..
> agen pulak ramai yg part-time, workshop pulak x nak ambik produk ni sb mrk
> ckp kalu dah cuci karbon nanti org xnak buat top-overhaul, rugi. Padahal mrk
> lebih untung tp mrk x kira betul2 sb tu nmpak rugi..
>
> InsyaAllah thn dpn akan propose kat sykt pengeluar kereta utk guna produk
> OilyMan di pusat servis mrk... tgh cari idea terbaik sb nk handle asap yg
> byk dlm wshop tu, boleh biol pala.. Sykt yg ada ISO ni mmg ada karenah yg
> terpaksa kita patuhi.. Sape2 ada idea boleh la share dgn sy.. Kalau dpt
> projek ni akan terjawablah soalan2 dari org awam "kalau produk ni bagus knp
> sykt kete x beli?"...
>
> InsyaAllah jika diberi kelapangan masa akan menulis artikel utk sebuah
> majalah permotoran, ttg carbon cleaning / decarbonizer...semoga lebih ramai
> yg memahami. Dah lama editor tunggu..
>
> Ada lagi nak citer tp lain kali lah.. nk bersiap g solat Jumaat.
>
> ------
> Azmi Abdullah
> *OILYMAN TECHNOLOGY*
> Shah Alam, Selangor, MALAYSIA
> Tel: +60192764645 or +60176930306
> E-Mail: azmi@oilyman.com.my
> Web: www.oilyman.com.my
> Video: http://www.youtube.com/user/mienyak
> Forum: http://oilyman.com.my/forum
> FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/azmi-oilyman
> WE SUPPLY BEST QUALITY OF ENGINE CARBON CLEANER (DECARBONIZER)
>
>
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