Friday, October 8, 2010

www.auto.pdniaga.com - Digest Number 2753[5 Attachments]

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1a.
Re: Coil Damper ok ke? From: hide ID
1b.
Re: Coil Damper ok ke? From: Harris Bin Haron
2a.
Re: Replacement Waja From: man
2b.
Re: Replacement Waja From: agai@017
2c.
Re: Replacement Waja From: Shahrul Izwan
2d.
Re: Replacement Waja From: baddRi Rozaimi
2e.
Re: Replacement Waja From: Fhazly Yusop
2f.
Re: Replacement Waja From: Shahrul Izwan
2g.
Re: Replacement Waja From: abgmad
3.
WAJA = LANCER From: Harris Bin Haron

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1a.

Re: Coil Damper ok ke?

Posted by: "hide ID" hide ID

Thu Oct 7, 2010 7:29 am (PDT)



Tuan Mod,hide ID,email company...jus sukam99 je .
...Pada...tuan hide id..
..kasi komen la sikit....
..naik kete ape, spring stended, enjin...
..camne performance..langgar bumber, masuk lubang, masuk corner pendek, corner bukit putus.....
..kalu ok..nak sumbat gak dlaam kete buruk saya...
...tq....sekian...

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hide ID
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:40 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Coil Damper ok ke?

Tuan Mod,hide ID,email company...takut kena block.

Sambung crite yg lepas...saya pasang kat kedai tayar di senawang,lepas exit tol senwng kedai besar tulis 'continental' belah kiri selepas
Tempuh 2 trfic light.Mula2 sebut harga 100 lebih,nego dpt rm100.
Kalu wira mahal skit compare ngan Honda pasal getahnya lebih besar,ikut saiz spring.
Kalu bley pasang sendri lagi jimat,tengok cina pasang dia lumur air sabun je kat getah&spring pas tu tekan masuk,then tolak kasi duk tengah2 spring.
Kalu spring potong mmg ssah skit.
Kalu sesapa pakai spring sport yg jenis biasa2 tu elok pakai damper ni.

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shahrul Izwan
Sent: Monday, 08, 2010 7:41 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Coil Damper ok ke?

Utk Wira depan belakang RM160 sekali pasang(Kedai kat Kulim)..tgk kat Brothers Depan RM80,belakang RM50++,upah pasang RM30.

Yg RM8 tu bush lapik spring kot..pasang atas spring...Cuma utk bagi tinggi keta jer...

Kalau sedara sopuan @ sesapa saja dah pasang coil damper nie tlg bgtau ada beza tak dari segi ride quality...plan nak pasang utk spring belakang Wira saya..

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From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lan loqius
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:41 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Coil Damper ok ke?

Benda ni yg duduk kat atas spring ke tengah2 spring? kalau yg duduk tengah2 spring tu hari tu tanya untuk viva kiri kanan belakang saje dia mintak RM80 siap pasang.

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From: baddRi Rozaimi <zordaq@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:58:35 AM
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?

siap pasang 30.00..

Mohd Badri Ibrahim - Badd
0123556142
Zordaq Sdn Bhd
G01 02 Jalan SM02 Taman Subang Mas,
47260 Subang Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia.
http://www.ezordaq.com
Spare Part - High Performance - Accessories Car

________________________________
From: ahmad sopuan abdullah <asafahaha@yahoo.com.my>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 8:14:31 AM
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?

salam..

apasal mahal sangat..
kawan rekomen kat saya kata harga sebutir Rm8
kos upah pasang Rm16 kalau tak silap

--- On Tue, 24/8/10, Tarmizi@yahoo.com <Tarmizi@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Tarmizi@yahoo.com <Tarmizi@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 24 August, 2010, 11:54 AM

Tuan mod.hide my IDââ'¬Â¦company email.tq

Saya sekarang masih pakai benda ni kat civic,attach ngan 4 spring standard potong 1 gelung,absorber depan

Inject kasi keras skit,memang best layan corner,kete tak membuai.Bawa heavy load tayar kurang gesel ngan body

Kalau jln beralun.Harga siap pasang rm100 (taun lepas nye rege).

Saya check itu hari getahnya masih elok,tak de pecah2ââ'¬Â¦tahan lama lah.

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ahmad sopuan abdullah
Sent: Tuesday, 08, 2010 9:56 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?

salam..

kawan rekomen pakai benda nih sebab ramai teksi pakai

bagi elakkan membrek ketika melintas bumper? amacam idea bagus tak?

--- On Mon, 23/8/10, Mohmad Abdullah <mbabest@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Mohmad Abdullah <mbabest@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?
To: "group krerta" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, 23 August, 2010, 2:57 PM

AVANZA pakai leaf spring kan?

________________________________

To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
From: Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:32:32 +0800
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?

Salam,

Kene cuba dulu baru tauââ'¬Â¦fungsi coil damper ialah utk mengawal pergerakan spring kalau spring terlalu lembut dan mengelakkan spring ââ'¬Å"bottoming outââ'¬ï¿½(rapat terus) sewaktu heavy loading..sedap xsedap tu x pasti la plak sebab saya sendiri x penah cuba..

cuba sedara pasang coil damper tu utk spring belakang keta avanza sebab setahu saya spring belakang avanza lebih lembut dari depan..mungkin sedara akan terasa bezaââ'¬Â¦saya saspek coil damper tu akan improvekan ride mpv sedara, terutamanya utk bahagian belakang..spring depan saya rasa xpayah pasang pun xpa sebab dah keras elokââ'¬Â¦

Viva?..xyah la kot..lebih baik sedara tukar ke absorber yg lebih berkualiti dan menten spring asalââ'¬Â¦

________________________________

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ahmad sopuan abdullah
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:02 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?

saya nak tanya sikit.. coil spring damper utk absorber ok ke?
jika okey saya nak pasang pada kereta avanza & viva

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1b.

Re: Coil Damper ok ke?

Posted by: "Harris Bin Haron" Harris@maa.com.my

Thu Oct 7, 2010 7:19 pm (PDT)



HAAA..BETOL TU.... KALAU ELOK NK BUAT JUGAK.....

SAYA PAKAI ADJUSTABLE....

[cid:image001.jpg@01CB66D1.BFB59EA0]

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From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hide ID
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 3:56 PM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Coil Damper ok ke?

Tuan Mod,hide ID,email company...jus sukam99 je .
...Pada...tuan hide id..
..kasi komen la sikit....
..naik kete ape, spring stended, enjin...
..camne performance..langgar bumber, masuk lubang, masuk corner pendek, corner bukit putus.....
..kalu ok..nak sumbat gak dlaam kete buruk saya...
...tq....sekian...

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hide ID
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:40 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Coil Damper ok ke?

Tuan Mod,hide ID,email company...takut kena block.

Sambung crite yg lepas...saya pasang kat kedai tayar di senawang,lepas exit tol senwng kedai besar tulis 'continental' belah kiri selepas
Tempuh 2 trfic light.Mula2 sebut harga 100 lebih,nego dpt rm100.
Kalu wira mahal skit compare ngan Honda pasal getahnya lebih besar,ikut saiz spring.
Kalu bley pasang sendri lagi jimat,tengok cina pasang dia lumur air sabun je kat getah&spring pas tu tekan masuk,then tolak kasi duk tengah2 spring.
Kalu spring potong mmg ssah skit.
Kalu sesapa pakai spring sport yg jenis biasa2 tu elok pakai damper ni.

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shahrul Izwan
Sent: Monday, 08, 2010 7:41 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Coil Damper ok ke?

Utk Wira depan belakang RM160 sekali pasang(Kedai kat Kulim)..tgk kat Brothers Depan RM80,belakang RM50++,upah pasang RM30.

Yg RM8 tu bush lapik spring kot..pasang atas spring...Cuma utk bagi tinggi keta jer...

Kalau sedara sopuan @ sesapa saja dah pasang coil damper nie tlg bgtau ada beza tak dari segi ride quality...plan nak pasang utk spring belakang Wira saya..

________________________________
From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lan loqius
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:41 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Coil Damper ok ke?

Benda ni yg duduk kat atas spring ke tengah2 spring? kalau yg duduk tengah2 spring tu hari tu tanya untuk viva kiri kanan belakang saje dia mintak RM80 siap pasang.

________________________________
From: baddRi Rozaimi <zordaq@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 11:58:35 AM
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?

siap pasang 30.00..

Mohd Badri Ibrahim - Badd
0123556142
Zordaq Sdn Bhd
G01 02 Jalan SM02 Taman Subang Mas,
47260 Subang Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia.
http://www.ezordaq.com
Spare Part - High Performance - Accessories Car

________________________________
From: ahmad sopuan abdullah <asafahaha@yahoo.com.my>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 8:14:31 AM
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?

salam..

apasal mahal sangat..
kawan rekomen kat saya kata harga sebutir Rm8
kos upah pasang Rm16 kalau tak silap

--- On Tue, 24/8/10, Tarmizi@yahoo.com <Tarmizi@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Tarmizi@yahoo.com <Tarmizi@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 24 August, 2010, 11:54 AM

Tuan mod.hide my IDââ'¬Â¦company email.tq

Saya sekarang masih pakai benda ni kat civic,attach ngan 4 spring standard potong 1 gelung,absorber depan

Inject kasi keras skit,memang best layan corner,kete tak membuai.Bawa heavy load tayar kurang gesel ngan body

Kalau jln beralun.Harga siap pasang rm100 (taun lepas nye rege).

Saya check itu hari getahnya masih elok,tak de pecah2ââ'¬Â¦tahan lama lah.

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ahmad sopuan abdullah
Sent: Tuesday, 08, 2010 9:56 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?

salam..

kawan rekomen pakai benda nih sebab ramai teksi pakai

bagi elakkan membrek ketika melintas bumper? amacam idea bagus tak?

--- On Mon, 23/8/10, Mohmad Abdullah <mbabest@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Mohmad Abdullah <mbabest@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?
To: "group krerta" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, 23 August, 2010, 2:57 PM

AVANZA pakai leaf spring kan?

________________________________

To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
From: Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:32:32 +0800
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?

Salam,

Kene cuba dulu baru tauââ'¬Â¦fungsi coil damper ialah utk mengawal pergerakan spring kalau spring terlalu lembut dan mengelakkan spring ââ'¬Å"bottoming outââ'¬ï¿½(rapat terus) sewaktu heavy loading..sedap xsedap tu x pasti la plak sebab saya sendiri x penah cuba..

cuba sedara pasang coil damper tu utk spring belakang keta avanza sebab setahu saya spring belakang avanza lebih lembut dari depan..mungkin sedara akan terasa bezaââ'¬Â¦saya saspek coil damper tu akan improvekan ride mpv sedara, terutamanya utk bahagian belakang..spring depan saya rasa xpayah pasang pun xpa sebab dah keras elokââ'¬Â¦

Viva?..xyah la kot..lebih baik sedara tukar ke absorber yg lebih berkualiti dan menten spring asalââ'¬Â¦

________________________________

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ahmad sopuan abdullah
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:02 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com<http://www.auto.pdniaga.com> - Coil Damper ok ke?

saya nak tanya sikit.. coil spring damper utk absorber ok ke?
jika okey saya nak pasang pada kereta avanza & viva

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2a.

Re: Replacement Waja

Posted by: "man" altis_77@yahoo.com   altis_77

Thu Oct 7, 2010 7:30 am (PDT)



Bagus la waja skang dah ada replacement....lama dah rakyat malaysia tunggu-tunggu. Dan yg paling rakyat tunggu ialah harganya....tak kira la waja baru ni nak pakai enjin ferrari pun...org tetap tunggu harganya. jika harga RM 80K keatas...memang mahal dan tak patut...org kata gila punya harga...sebab replacement waja...harga waja lama dlm RM60k-RM65K...Jika tengok keta honda city dan vios atau yg lain2 laaa....harga keta model lama dengan harga keta model baru tak jauh beza dlm Rm2-3K je...ni kalau beza harga 20K keatas mmg aku org pertama yg takkan beli...baik beli keta toyota atau honda...lebih kurang je harga..pastu pulak 2nd hand value keta honda dan toyata tinggi kalu nak jual balik...pengalaman aku pakai keta proton ni bila nak jual balik..mmg rugi.pakai dah 5 tahun lebih...downpayment 10%...bila nak jual still kena bayo kat bank rm6K keatas...gilo apo...dulu aku penah pakai kelisa downpayment rm4K..pakai 3 tahun setengah bila nak jual dapat balik rm4.5K....itulah senario proton..tau nak jual keta je... tapi tak lindungi langsung pembeli keta proton...bila pembeli nak jual balik keta...bior pembeli yg tanggung sendiri rugi tu...mcm penjual keta lain...mereka akan mengawal penjualan kereta yg depa keluarkan...maka 2nd hand value jadi tinggi...tp terpulanglah pada diri masing2 sebab duit tu korang yg punya..kalu harga waja baru ni sama dengan harga waja lama...ada kemungkinan org akan beli waja baru tapi kalu proton tetap nak naikkan harga RM20K dari harga lama...org akan lari kepada toyota vios atau honda city....fikir2 kanlah.......

--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, Scraper Wiper <scraperwiper@...> wrote:
>
> Salam,
>
> Inilah gambar depan model baru itu...
>
> Dapat info dari member yang kerja kat vendor proton, 2000 unit pertama full spec
> dari mitsubishi..selepas 2000 pertama..guna spare part local..ok lah
> jugak..harga pun murah sikit dari Mitsubishi..ada 1.8l dengan 2.0l...
>
> Enjin Mitsubishi dan bukan enjin campro....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Harris Bin Haron <Harris@...>
> To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 4:33:12 PM
> Subject:www.auto.pdniaga.com -
>
>
> SALAM…
>
> DA DPT TGK GMBR DEPAN WAJA/LANCER YG BARU… TAPI X LEH COPY….
>
> ADA TAK SAPE2 AHLI GROUP YG KEJE PROTON @ YG ADA GMBR TERBARU??? BOLE LA SHARE….
>
>
>
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2b.

Re: Replacement Waja

Posted by: "agai@017" agai_disini@yahoo.com.my

Thu Oct 7, 2010 5:14 pm (PDT)



kalau dah photostat sebijik2....cuma tuka bumper depan n bumper belakang je
sikit...R&D ke hape namanya tu.....makna R&D sebenar....buat dan kaji benda baru
dari kosong....itu baru R&D...

aku tak paham la diarang ni...nama je gak...tp yang kuarnye photostat
gak...apala...
takde kualiti langsung....orang R&D tu buat apa?makan angin?

________________________________
From: Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2010 19:38:49
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja

 
salam, 

betul tu bro shahrul. perdana yg patut keluar replacement model terlebih dahulu.
lawan balik honda aircord, altis ka. yang depa pi keluarkan lotus sampai 5 model
sekali gus kenapa ? bagi saya tak perlu banyak2 model. lebih baik keluar satu
model, tapi killer model. baru boleh cover balik R&D costing.

rgds,
Nazri Ahtar

--- On Thu, 10/7/10, Shahrul Izwan <Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com> wrote:

>From: Shahrul Izwan <Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com>
>Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 6:48 PM
>
>
> 
>
>salam,
>harapannya biarlah quality pun ikut klon sama..jgn design je klon tapi kualiti
>kureng..cuma saya nak persoalkan apa rasionalnya nak buat waja replacement
>nie??sepatutnya proton dah lama develop Perdana replacement...dah tahap tua
>nyanyuk dah perdana nie...
>
>
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From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
bashah
>Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:53 PM
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja
>
> 
>hmmm...bila Waja pertamakali diiklankan siap iklan besar2an cakap 300 engineer
>tempatan Proton sendiri yg design..padahal aku tengok sebijik sama dengan Mits
>Lancer Japan yg dilancarkan esoknya di Jepun...mungkin gak Mits yg tiru Proton
>kot aku pikir....
>
>sekarang ni nampaknya Proton dah tak kisah, Jepun pun Jepunla, janji dah
>di'Melayu'kan. Memanglah lagi murah dari Mits, takkanlah klon lagi mahal dari
>ori......
>
>--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, Scraper Wiper <scraperwiper@...> wrote:
>>
>> Salam,
>>
>> Inilah gambar depan model baru itu...
>>
>> Dapat info dari member yang kerja kat vendor proton, 2000 unit pertama full
>>spec
>>
>> dari mitsubishi..selepas 2000 pertama..guna spare part local..ok lah
>> jugak..harga pun murah sikit dari Mitsubishi..ada 1.8l dengan 2.0l...
>>
>> Enjin Mitsubishi dan bukan enjin campro....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Harris Bin Haron <Harris@...>
>> To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 4:33:12 PM
>> Subject:www.auto.pdniaga.com -
>>
>>
>> SALAMÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦
>>
>> DA DPT TGK GMBR DEPAN WAJA/LANCER YG BARUÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ TAPI X LEH
>>COPYÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦.
>>
>> ADA TAK SAPE2 AHLI GROUP YG KEJE PROTON @ YG ADA GMBR TERBARU??? BOLE LA
>>SHAREÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦.
>>
>>
>>
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>> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any
>> dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If
>>
>> you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return

>> email or telephone and destroy the original message. Thank you.
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2c.

Re: Replacement Waja

Posted by: "Shahrul Izwan" Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com

Thu Oct 7, 2010 7:24 pm (PDT)



R&D xbersalah..yg buta kayunyer management…x reti nak baca market demand…R&D
proton tu kalau kena push,dah lama dah depa bawak kuaq enjin 2.0 &
2.4..silap haribulan enjin 4000cc V8 pun bule…tapi pasal dah buta kayu tu yg
jadik camtu…maapla kasar sikit ayat nie…frust tgk diorang nie…kesimpulannya
yg saya tgk Proton suka buat menda yg dikategorikan sebagai syok sendirik…



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From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of agai@017
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:14 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja





kalau dah photostat sebijik2....cuma tuka bumper depan n bumper belakang je
sikit...R&D ke hape namanya tu.....makna R&D sebenar....buat dan kaji benda
baru dari kosong....itu baru R&D...



aku tak paham la diarang ni...nama je gak...tp yang kuarnye photostat
gak...apala...

takde kualiti langsung....orang R&D tu buat apa?makan angin?



________________________________

From: Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2010 19:38:49
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja



salam,



betul tu bro shahrul. perdana yg patut keluar replacement model terlebih
dahulu. lawan balik honda aircord, altis ka. yang depa pi keluarkan lotus
sampai 5 model sekali gus kenapa ? bagi saya tak perlu banyak2 model. lebih
baik keluar satu model, tapi killer model. baru boleh cover balik R&D
costing.

rgds,

Nazri Ahtar



--- On Thu, 10/7/10, Shahrul Izwan <Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com> wrote:


From: Shahrul Izwan <Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com>
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 6:48 PM





salam,

harapannya biarlah quality pun ikut klon sama..jgn design je klon tapi
kualiti kureng..cuma saya nak persoalkan apa rasionalnya nak buat waja
replacement nie??sepatutnya proton dah lama develop Perdana
replacement...dah tahap tua nyanyuk dah perdana nie...



________________________________

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of bashah
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:53 PM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja



hmmm...bila Waja pertamakali diiklankan siap iklan besar2an cakap 300
engineer tempatan Proton sendiri yg design..padahal aku tengok sebijik sama
dengan Mits Lancer Japan yg dilancarkan esoknya di Jepun...mungkin gak Mits
yg tiru Proton kot aku pikir....

sekarang ni nampaknya Proton dah tak kisah, Jepun pun Jepunla, janji dah
di'Melayu'kan. Memanglah lagi murah dari Mits, takkanlah klon lagi mahal
dari ori......

--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, Scraper Wiper <scraperwiper@...> wrote:
>
> Salam,
>
> Inilah gambar depan model baru itu...
>
> Dapat info dari member yang kerja kat vendor proton, 2000 unit pertama
full spec
> dari mitsubishi..selepas 2000 pertama..guna spare part local..ok lah
> jugak..harga pun murah sikit dari Mitsubishi..ada 1.8l dengan 2.0l...
>
> Enjin Mitsubishi dan bukan enjin campro....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
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> To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
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> Subject:www.auto.pdniaga.com -
>
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> DA DPT TGK GMBR DEPAN WAJA/LANCER YG BARUÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ TAPI X LEH
COPYÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦.
>
> ADA TAK SAPE2 AHLI GROUP YG KEJE PROTON @ YG ADA GMBR TERBARU??? BOLE LA
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Re: Replacement Waja

Posted by: "baddRi Rozaimi" zordaq@yahoo.com   zordaq

Thu Oct 7, 2010 11:31 pm (PDT)



Kereta proton yang baru nie.. aku rasa bukan 300 engineer yang buat.. waja baru
ni hanya copy 100% dari lancer baru (evo10) .. cuma proton kena tukar laa sikit2
supaya jadi kereta local (syarat gov.. tah berapa %).. yang pasti proton tukar
bumpr depan belakang. bahagian dalam (seat & door trim) kain dan kulit jer.. ..
yang lain semua ikut design mits... kira sapa yang dapat awal kira untung kot..
sebab banyak barang dari jepun lagi.. nnti aku rasa dalam 40% jer kot barang
dari jepun.. engine confirm jepun punya.. 1.8 dan 2.0..

ni kira rezeki terpijak laa.. kira takyah keluar banyak modal. lagi pun project
ini atas kerjasama je nie. kira tak payah nak jual share macam volkswagen nak
sampai proton hak dia.. 50% lebih.. kalau tak lagi tergadai..

2010 waja nie..
2011 exora turbo.. kalau tak salah.. (dengar macam tak power sangat)..
2012 akan ada model baru akan keluar.. 100% malaysia buat..
Mohd Badri Ibrahim - Badd
0123556142
Zordaq Sdn Bhd
G01 02 Jalan SM02 Taman Subang Mas,
47260 Subang Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia.
http://www.ezordaq.com
Spare Part - High Performance - Accessories Car

________________________________
From: Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 7:38:49 PM
Subject:RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja

salam,

betul tu bro shahrul. perdana yg patut keluar replacement model terlebih dahulu.
lawan balik honda aircord, altis ka. yang depa pi keluarkan lotus sampai 5 model
sekali gus kenapa ? bagi saya tak perlu banyak2 model. lebih baik keluar satu
model, tapi killer model. baru boleh cover balik R&D costing.

rgds,
Nazri Ahtar

--- On Thu, 10/7/10, Shahrul Izwan <Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com> wrote:

>From: Shahrul Izwan <Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com>
>Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 6:48 PM
>
>
>
>
>salam,
>harapannya biarlah quality pun ikut klon sama..jgn design je klon tapi kualiti
>kureng..cuma saya nak persoalkan apa rasionalnya nak buat waja replacement
>nie??sepatutnya proton dah lama develop Perdana replacement...dah tahap tua
>nyanyuk dah perdana nie...
>
>
________________________________
From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of bashah
>Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:53 PM
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Subject:Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja
>
>
>hmmm...bila Waja pertamakali diiklankan siap iklan besar2an cakap 300 engineer
>tempatan Proton sendiri yg design..padahal aku tengok sebijik sama dengan Mits
>Lancer Japan yg dilancarkan esoknya di Jepun...mungkin gak Mits yg tiru Proton
>kot aku pikir....
>
>sekarang ni nampaknya Proton dah tak kisah, Jepun pun Jepunla, janji dah
>di'Melayu'kan. Memanglah lagi murah dari Mits, takkanlah klon lagi mahal dari
>ori......
>
>--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, Scraper Wiper <scraperwiper@...> wrote:
>>
>> Salam,
>>
>> Inilah gambar depan model baru itu...
>>
>> Dapat info dari member yang kerja kat vendor proton, 2000 unit pertama full
>>spec
>>
>> dari mitsubishi..selepas 2000 pertama..guna spare part local..ok lah
>> jugak..harga pun murah sikit dari Mitsubishi..ada 1.8l dengan 2.0l...
>>
>> Enjin Mitsubishi dan bukan enjin campro....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Harris Bin Haron <Harris@...>
>> To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 4:33:12 PM
>> Subject:www.auto.pdniaga.com -
>>
>>
>> SALAMÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦
>>
>> DA DPT TGK GMBR DEPAN WAJA/LANCER YG BARUÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ TAPI X LEH
>>COPYÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦.
>>
>> ADA TAK SAPE2 AHLI GROUP YG KEJE PROTON @ YG ADA GMBR TERBARU??? BOLE LA
>>SHAREÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦.
>>
>>
>>
>> DISCLAIMER:- This email is confidential and intended only for the use of the

>> individual or entity named above and may contain information that is
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>> dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited.
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Re: Replacement Waja

Posted by: "Fhazly Yusop" neoli18@yahoo.com   neoli18

Thu Oct 7, 2010 11:31 pm (PDT)

[Attachment(s) from Fhazly Yusop included below]

ni ada dapat dari emel

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Re: Replacement Waja

Posted by: "Shahrul Izwan" Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com

Fri Oct 8, 2010 4:06 am (PDT)



Salam,
Klon-mengklon adalah lumrah lani..byk pengeluar yg menggunakan kaedah nie
utk menjimatkan kos R&D..amik cth kia dan Hyundai yg mana masing2 adalah
klon antara satu sama lain..Chevrolet utk pasaran Asia adalah klon
Daewoo…camtu jugak ngan Audi,Volkswagen dan Porsche…secara peribadinya saya
xdak masalah kalau proton nak klon sesapa pun…Cuma yg dipersoalkan kenapa
Proton x buat Perdana replacement?kan yg tu lebih lojik??kenapa masih nak
kuarkan Waja replacement sedangkan Persona dah ada?
Enjin CPS Turbo tu lebih pada penambahan pikap dan penjimatan minyak (ala2
Volvo) berdasarkan info yg saya dapat...2012 to model EMAS kan?keta kecik yg
dilancarkan di pameran autoshow kat Geneva...keta kecik lagi..alahai...

________________________________

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of baddRi Rozaimi
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 11:11 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja


Kereta proton yang baru nie.. aku rasa bukan 300 engineer yang buat.. waja
baru ni hanya copy 100% dari lancer baru (evo10) .. cuma proton kena tukar
laa sikit2 supaya jadi kereta local (syarat gov.. tah berapa %).. yang pasti
proton tukar bumpr depan belakang. bahagian dalam (seat & door trim) kain
dan kulit jer.. .. yang lain semua ikut design mits... kira sapa yang dapat
awal kira untung kot.. sebab banyak barang dari jepun lagi.. nnti aku rasa
dalam 40% jer kot barang dari jepun.. engine confirm jepun punya.. 1.8 dan
2.0..

ni kira rezeki terpijak laa.. kira takyah keluar banyak modal. lagi pun
project ini atas kerjasama je nie. kira tak payah nak jual share macam
volkswagen nak sampai proton hak dia.. 50% lebih.. kalau tak lagi tergadai..
2010 waja nie..
2011 exora turbo.. kalau tak salah.. (dengar macam tak power sangat)..
2012 akan ada model baru akan keluar.. 100% malaysia buat..

Mohd Badri Ibrahim - Badd
0123556142
Zordaq Sdn Bhd
G01 02 Jalan SM02 Taman Subang Mas,
47260 Subang Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia.
http://www.ezordaq.com
Spare Part - High Performance - Accessories Car


________________________________

From: Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 7:38:49 PM
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja


salam,

betul tu bro shahrul. perdana yg patut keluar replacement model terlebih
dahulu. lawan balik honda aircord, altis ka. yang depa pi keluarkan lotus
sampai 5 model sekali gus kenapa ? bagi saya tak perlu banyak2 model. lebih
baik keluar satu model, tapi killer model. baru boleh cover balik R&D
costing.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar


--- On Thu, 10/7/10, Shahrul Izwan <Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com> wrote:

From: Shahrul Izwan <Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com>
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 6:48 PM


salam,
harapannya biarlah quality pun ikut klon sama..jgn design je klon tapi
kualiti kureng..cuma saya nak persoalkan apa rasionalnya nak buat waja
replacement nie??sepatutnya proton dah lama develop Perdana
replacement...dah tahap tua nyanyuk dah perdana nie...

________________________________

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of bashah
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:53 PM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja

hmmm...bila Waja pertamakali diiklankan siap iklan besar2an cakap 300
engineer tempatan Proton sendiri yg design..padahal aku tengok sebijik sama
dengan Mits Lancer Japan yg dilancarkan esoknya di Jepun...mungkin gak Mits
yg tiru Proton kot aku pikir....

sekarang ni nampaknya Proton dah tak kisah, Jepun pun Jepunla, janji dah
di'Melayu'kan. Memanglah lagi murah dari Mits, takkanlah klon lagi mahal
dari ori......

--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, Scraper Wiper <scraperwiper@...> wrote:
>
> Salam,
>
> Inilah gambar depan model baru itu...
>
> Dapat info dari member yang kerja kat vendor proton, 2000 unit pertama
full spec
> dari mitsubishi..selepas 2000 pertama..guna spare part local..ok lah
> jugak..harga pun murah sikit dari Mitsubishi..ada 1.8l dengan 2.0l...
>
> Enjin Mitsubishi dan bukan enjin campro....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Harris Bin Haron <Harris@...>
> To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 4:33:12 PM
> Subject:www.auto.pdniaga.com -
>
>
> SALAMÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦
>
> DA DPT TGK GMBR DEPAN WAJA/LANCER YG BARUÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ TAPI X LEH
COPYÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦.
>
> ADA TAK SAPE2 AHLI GROUP YG KEJE PROTON @ YG ADA GMBR TERBARU??? BOLE LA
SHAREÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦.
>
>
>
> DISCLAIMER:- This email is confidential and intended only for the use of
the
> individual or entity named above and may contain information that is
> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that
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Re: Replacement Waja

Posted by: "abgmad" fuzzyinn@yahoo.com   fuzzyinn

Fri Oct 8, 2010 4:51 am (PDT)



Bro.. Kalau dah injin turbo boleh jimat minyak ka?
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Shahrul Izwan" <Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com>
Sender: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:06:17
To: <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja

Salam,
Klon-mengklon adalah lumrah lani..byk pengeluar yg menggunakan kaedah nie
utk menjimatkan kos R&D..amik cth kia dan Hyundai yg mana masing2 adalah
klon antara satu sama lain..Chevrolet utk pasaran Asia adalah klon
Daewoo…camtu jugak ngan Audi,Volkswagen dan Porsche…secara peribadinya saya
xdak masalah kalau proton nak klon sesapa pun…Cuma yg dipersoalkan kenapa
Proton x buat Perdana replacement?kan yg tu lebih lojik??kenapa masih nak
kuarkan Waja replacement sedangkan Persona dah ada?
Enjin CPS Turbo tu lebih pada penambahan pikap dan penjimatan minyak (ala2
Volvo) berdasarkan info yg saya dapat...2012 to model EMAS kan?keta kecik yg
dilancarkan di pameran autoshow kat Geneva...keta kecik lagi..alahai...

________________________________

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of baddRi Rozaimi
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 11:11 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja


Kereta proton yang baru nie.. aku rasa bukan 300 engineer yang buat.. waja
baru ni hanya copy 100% dari lancer baru (evo10) .. cuma proton kena tukar
laa sikit2 supaya jadi kereta local (syarat gov.. tah berapa %).. yang pasti
proton tukar bumpr depan belakang. bahagian dalam (seat & door trim) kain
dan kulit jer.. .. yang lain semua ikut design mits... kira sapa yang dapat
awal kira untung kot.. sebab banyak barang dari jepun lagi.. nnti aku rasa
dalam 40% jer kot barang dari jepun.. engine confirm jepun punya.. 1.8 dan
2.0..

ni kira rezeki terpijak laa.. kira takyah keluar banyak modal. lagi pun
project ini atas kerjasama je nie. kira tak payah nak jual share macam
volkswagen nak sampai proton hak dia.. 50% lebih.. kalau tak lagi tergadai..
2010 waja nie..
2011 exora turbo.. kalau tak salah.. (dengar macam tak power sangat)..
2012 akan ada model baru akan keluar.. 100% malaysia buat..

Mohd Badri Ibrahim - Badd
0123556142
Zordaq Sdn Bhd
G01 02 Jalan SM02 Taman Subang Mas,
47260 Subang Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia.
http://www.ezordaq.com
Spare Part - High Performance - Accessories Car


________________________________

From: Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 7:38:49 PM
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja


salam,

betul tu bro shahrul. perdana yg patut keluar replacement model terlebih
dahulu. lawan balik honda aircord, altis ka. yang depa pi keluarkan lotus
sampai 5 model sekali gus kenapa ? bagi saya tak perlu banyak2 model. lebih
baik keluar satu model, tapi killer model. baru boleh cover balik R&D
costing.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar


--- On Thu, 10/7/10, Shahrul Izwan <Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com> wrote:

From: Shahrul Izwan <Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com>
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 6:48 PM


salam,
harapannya biarlah quality pun ikut klon sama..jgn design je klon tapi
kualiti kureng..cuma saya nak persoalkan apa rasionalnya nak buat waja
replacement nie??sepatutnya proton dah lama develop Perdana
replacement...dah tahap tua nyanyuk dah perdana nie...

________________________________

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of bashah
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:53 PM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Replacement Waja

hmmm...bila Waja pertamakali diiklankan siap iklan besar2an cakap 300
engineer tempatan Proton sendiri yg design..padahal aku tengok sebijik sama
dengan Mits Lancer Japan yg dilancarkan esoknya di Jepun...mungkin gak Mits
yg tiru Proton kot aku pikir....

sekarang ni nampaknya Proton dah tak kisah, Jepun pun Jepunla, janji dah
di'Melayu'kan. Memanglah lagi murah dari Mits, takkanlah klon lagi mahal
dari ori......

--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, Scraper Wiper <scraperwiper@...> wrote:
>
> Salam,
>
> Inilah gambar depan model baru itu...
>
> Dapat info dari member yang kerja kat vendor proton, 2000 unit pertama
full spec
> dari mitsubishi..selepas 2000 pertama..guna spare part local..ok lah
> jugak..harga pun murah sikit dari Mitsubishi..ada 1.8l dengan 2.0l...
>
> Enjin Mitsubishi dan bukan enjin campro....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Harris Bin Haron <Harris@...>
> To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 4:33:12 PM
> Subject:www.auto.pdniaga.com -
>
>
> SALAMÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦
>
> DA DPT TGK GMBR DEPAN WAJA/LANCER YG BARUÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ TAPI X LEH
COPYÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦.
>
> ADA TAK SAPE2 AHLI GROUP YG KEJE PROTON @ YG ADA GMBR TERBARU??? BOLE LA
SHAREÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦.
>
>
>
> DISCLAIMER:- This email is confidential and intended only for the use of
the
> individual or entity named above and may contain information that is
> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that
any
> dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly
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WAJA = LANCER

Posted by: "Harris Bin Haron" Harris@maa.com.my

Thu Oct 7, 2010 7:22 pm (PDT)



SNAP SHOT....MMG SEBIJIK LANCER..... KITA TUNGGU JELAH HARGA NYE.....& ENJIN NYER.....

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