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Posted by: "Mohmad Abdullah" mbabest@hotmail.com matdollahmy

Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:32 pm (PDT)

Copy information kat bawah, mengenai lub oil & filter

Introduction

I created this web
site because wanted to
dispel some of the misconceptions about motor oil, oil change intervals, and
filters. I've been advising people about oil changes on Usenet for years and I
felt it would be easier to have a central repository of all my wisdom to refer
people to. One of the main purposes of this site is to dispel the age old myth
about 3000 mile oil changes. This myth is being perpetrated by both the oil
change industry (i.e. Jiffy Lube) as well as by well meaning, but misinformed,
individuals.

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History

As internal combustion engines for passenger vehicles have
been forced to become more fuel efficient, less polluting, smaller, and longer
lasting, their lubrication needs have changed dramatically. These changes in the
engines have required the development of multi-weight detergent motor oils that
are suitable for the tighter clearances, higher heat, and higher RPM of these
engines. These oils have additives to reduce wear (especially at start-up),
maintain viscosity, and to suspend the soot and contaminants (by-products of
combustion) that they wash off the interior engine
parts. A side benefit of these oil's ability to maintain viscosity and suspend
soot is that the oil change intervals have become longer on most vehicles.

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Sludge

The number one reason for oil changes is to
prevent the formation of sludge. It's important to understand how sludge forms
and how sludge formation is prevented.

How
Sludge is Prevented

Additive in the detergent oils 'wash' any contaminant particles off of
internal engine parts and hold these particles in suspension until the oil is
changed. It's important to understand that these particles are too small to
cause engine wear, but they do turn the oil a darker color. The key thing is to
change the oil before the oil becomes too saturated with contaminants to hold
any more, but color is not an indication of this condition.

How Sludge Forms

As explained above, modern detergent oils suspend contaminants so they do not
settle on engine parts and form sludge. When the oil becomes saturated with contaminant particles
new particles settle out of the oil onto the internal engine parts and form
sludge. This is why it is so critical to perform oil changes before this level of contamination is
reached. The only way to know if you're oil needs changing is to have an oil analysis done.
Absent this, play it safe and follow the severe service interval specified in the owners
manual. Remember that the contaminants come from the combustion process of the gasoline and
and the air. Synthetic oil will not prevent these contaminants. Synthetics may be marginally
better at suspending more contaminant particles, but not enough to prolong oil changes by
much.

Never attempt to clean the inside of your
engine with one of those engine flush procedures that many shops try to sell. If
you've been diligent about oil changes there will be no sludge. If there is a
lot of sludge then the last thing you want to do is to dislodge it all at once.

A good article about sludge can be found at: http://www.yotarepair.com/sludge%20article.html

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Oil Change Intervals

Few subjects generate as much debate on Usenet as the
proper oil change interval. Since few people bother with oil analysis the debate
centers on time and mileage.

Follow the Money

Unfortunately, there are market forces that have a vested
interest in convincing vehicle owners to change their oil more often than
necessary. The legal prey of these market forces have become convinced that they
are purchasing "cheap insurance" or "peace of mind" by changing their oil more often than
necessary. Complicating things is the fact that doing oil changes is one of the
few do-it-yourself maintenance tasks that is still within the ability of the
backyard mechanic to perform.

Recreational Oil
Changing

The term "recreational oil changer" was
coined to define people that change their oil far more than necessary because
they actually enjoy doing it. It's easy to understand the psychology behind the recreational oil changing.
It's the visceral feel of the tools, the victory when that old oil filter breaks
free, the hot dirty oil pouring out, the joy of oiling of the gasket on the new
filter, that new copper or fiber gasket on the drain plug, the clean clear oil
going in, and the sense of accomplishment when you start the car, the oil
light comes on for a moment, then goes out. For $8-10 in oil and parts,
it's pretty cheap entertainment, but if people would be content to do it only
when it provides some benefit to the vehicle it would be better.

The 3000 Mile Myth

The 3000 mile oil change interval has been pounded into
people's heads for decades. It had a scientific basis when engines used
non-multi-weight,
non-detergent oil. It no longer has any scientific basis, but it is still being
promoted by certain entities, most notably the oil change industry in the United
States. This myth is also sometimes known as the "Cheap Insurance Myth."

The 3000 Mile Fact

There are still vehicles that need 3K oil changes, but it's not because the oil
goes bad after 3K miles. One example is the Saturn S series. These vehicles have
a timing chain system that is very sensitive to clean oil because oil pressure
is used as hydraulic fluid to ratchet up the timing chain tensioner. If varnish
forms in the timing chain tensioner bore then this system can fail and the chain
will become loose and eventually break. Dealers have gone as far as tearing out
the normal service schedule (6000 miles) and leaving only the severe service
schedule. If your engine is destroyed (under warranty) by a failed timing chain
then the dealer will legitimately request evidence of oil changes. Unfortunately
this problem usually won't manifest itself during the warranty period.

The Dark Oil Myth

Dark oil does not indicate the need for an oil change. The way
modern detergent motor oil works is that minute particles of soot are suspended
in the oil. These minute particles pose no danger to your engine, but they cause
the oil to darken. A non-detergent oil would stay clearer than a detergent oil
because all the soot would be left on the internal engine parts and would create
sludge. If you never changed your oil, eventually the oil would no longer be
able to suspend any more particles in the oil and sludge would form.
Fortunately, by following the manufacturer's recommended oil change interval,
you are changing your oil long before the oil has become saturated. Remember, a
good oil should get dirty as it does it's work cleaning out the engine. The
dispersant should stop all the gunk from depositing in the oil pan.

The only real way to determine whether oil is truly in need of
changing is to have an oil analysis performed. Since most people don't want to
bother with this, it's acceptable to err heavily on the safe side and simply follow the
manufacturer's recommended change interval for severe service. There are still a
few cars that specify 3K intervals for severe service, but not many. If you look
at countries other than the U.S., the oil recommended change interval is much
higher than even the normal interval specified by vehicle manufacturers in the
U.S.

Severe Service versus Normal Service

Each manufacturer specifies what constitutes normal and severe
service. Generally, severe service consists of operating the vehicle in a very
muddy or dusty areas (because dust particles get through the air filter and
contaminate the oil more quickly), operating the vehicle in a very hot areas
(heat breaks down oil more quickly), using the vehicle only for short trips in
cold weather (the moisture in the oil never gets vaporized), or using the
vehicle for towing or when carrying a car-top carrier. You'll often see claims
such as "everyone falls into the severe service category," but these
claims are untrue (follow the money and see who's making these claims). If you
primarily do freeway driving in moderate weather you do not fall into the severe
service category. If you're in doubt, the best way to see if you fall into the
severe service category is to have an oil analysis done at the mileage of the
severe service interval. Many people just like to play it safe and follow the
severe service schedule, which is fine, but there is no benefit in changing the
oil sooner than the severe service schedule states.

Maintenance Schedules Vary
by Country

Different countries have different maintenance schedules,
even for the same car. This fact has been the cause of long argument threads on
Usenet. How could the exact same car need a different service schedule simply
because of where the vehicle is used? At least part of the reason is due to the differences in fuel. For example,
the U.S. and Canada has fuel with high sulphur levels which can cause more oil
contamination. Japanese fuel has very low sulphur levels. Europe is in-between. Some of the newer
engine technology (direct injection) which raises fuel economy, requires low
sulphur fuel. Of course the oil companies have a vested interest in not lowering
the sulphur as it adds to refining cost and enables more fuel efficient engines.
Since "Big Oil" is in bed with the un-elected president in the U.S.,
don't expect any action of lower sulphur fuel for a while in the United States.
If Al Gore is re-elected in 2004, and the Supremes don't simply ignore the
election results again, then there is a chance for lower sulphur fuel in the
U.S. beginning in 2005.

Oil change intervals with synthetic oil

Synthetic oils withstand higher temperatures before breaking down, and
have more base stock and less viscosity modifiers. Synthetics wear out, become
acidic, and eventually become saturated with suspended soot particles, just like
regular oil. Again, an oil analysis is a good investment to determine the
optimum oil change interval. Never exceed the manufacturer requirements for normal
service.

Filter Change Interval

Back in the days of 3000 mile oil changes many manufacturers recommended
filter changes only half as often because the filter did not become clogged with
dirt at only 3000 miles. This was good advice back then, especially because with
non-detergent motor oils a lot of the sludge remained stuck to internal engine
parts rather than being carried in the oil to the filter. Nowadays the filter
should be changed at every oil change. There are some people who believe so much
in synthetic oil that they change filters without changing the oil. There's no
harm in changing the filter without changing the oil, but there is no point in
doing this.

Do-it-yourself versus paying someone to do it

Oil changes are pretty inexpensive when done at a reputable repair shop or
dealer. Most dealers offer oil change specials that cost less than the
quick-change oil places, and the dealers do a better job and use better filters.
Where I live the dealers have very long service department hours including on
Saturday (some on Sunday). The dealers also offer a time guarantee, generally
that they'll get you in and out in less than 30 minutes or the next oil change
is on them. Another advantage of having it done at a repair shop or dealer is that you have
solid legal proof of the date and mileage when the oil change took place. My
personal preference is to have the oil changed at a dealer during the warranty
period. Edmunds has a page on secret warranties that states: "If you
service your vehicle through an independent or aftermarket facility, what does
the manufacturer owe you in terms of assistance? Manufacturers cannot control
the quality of the parts used or work performed when you service your vehicle
through aftermarket service facilities. Also remember that the treatment you
receive as a customer has a great deal to do with you being a loyal
customer to the dealer and the manufacturer." See: http://www.edmunds.com/advice/fiw/articles/43008/article.html
.

If you change the oil yourself follow these guidelines (especially during the
warranty period):

1. Buy the oil, filter (from the dealer), and drain plug gasket (if necessary) within a
few days of the oil change (don't stock up during a sale). You want dated proof
that you bought the supplies near the date of the oil change.

2. Keep a log book of your maintenance. Staple the receipts for the oil and
filter into the book.

3. If you really want to be anal then take a dated photograph of the oil change being performed. Have the photos
processed at a lab that dates the back of the prints. Stick the prints into the
maintenance log.

None of this really proves that you changed the oil when you said you did,
but it would be sufficient should the manufacturer challenge a warranty claim
based on lack of oil changes.

Quick-Lube
(and dealer) Problems to Watch Out For

1. SAE30 oil. Some quick-lube places have been known to offer
advertised specials that use SAE 30 oil, as opposed to 5W30 or 10W30. Pay
the extra for the proper oil, or better yet avoid merchants that try to pull
this kind of thing because it's an indicator that they are less than honest.

2. Trying to use the wrong oil because it's what they have in
bulk. Insist on the oil that is specified on your filler cap and in your manual.

3. Pumping the oil out through the dipstick hole instead of
removing the drain plug. I came across this gem when I asked if I needed to
bring my own copper drain plug gasket. They said that they didn't remove
the drain plug to drain the old oil. This was the Oil Changer location at Kifer
& Wolfe in Sunnyvale, California. Pumping the oil out through the dipstick
hole is a terrible way to get the old oil out because it leaves a lot of junk in
the bottom of the oil pan. This was a long time ago and maybe they've changed
their ways since then.

4. Selling unneeded and overpriced services such as engine
flushes.

5. Selling overpriced, and often low quality, parts such as
wiper blades and washer fluid, PCV valves, thermostats, etc. Never let a
quick-lube place do any mechanical work on your vehicle.. They do no use
journeyman mechanics.

6. Using poor quality filters. You really want to bring your
own filter, from the dealer, with you when you go to a quick-lube place. They
may take $1 or $2 off the price if you do this but don't count on it.

7. If you have a vehicle that actually still
has Zerk fittings to lubricate then be sure that they actually lubricate these
fitting. Most cars no longer require lubrication but some trucks still do.

8. Do not let a quick-lube place change or add any fluids
other than oil. No transmission fluid, no brake fluid, no power steering fluid,
no antifreeze, no oil additives, no fuel additives. It is just too easy for them
to use the wrong fluid and cause permanent damage to your vehicle.

For some horror stories about Jiffy Lube see: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/jiffy_lube.htm
. I think I'll pass on them!

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Which Oil to Use

Detergent Oil

Virtually all modern multi-weight oils are detergent oils. Detergent oil,
cleans the soot of the internal engine parts and suspends the soot particles in
the oil. The particles are too small to be trapped by the oil filter and stay in
the oil until you change it. These particles are what makes the oil turn darker.
These tiny particles do not harm your engine. When the oil becomes saturated
with soot particles and is unable to suspend any more, the particles remain on
the engine parts. Fortunately, with the current oil change intervals the oil is
changed long before the oil is saturated.

Non-detergent oil, such as SAE 30, is not used in modern passenger vehicle
engines. It is still used in some gasoline engines such as lawnmowers.

Oil Viscosity

The viscosity of multi-weight motor oil is specified using two numbers.
The first number is the viscosity when the oil is cold. This is followed by the
letter W

(which stands for winter, not weight), which is followed by the number that indicates the viscosity when the
oil is at operating temperature. The higher the number the thicker the oil.

Viscosity Modifiers

In order to protect an engine at start time, the oil needs to be thinner
when cold so it flows freely. Viscosity modifiers are added to the base stock to
make the oil flow better when cold, without making the oil too thin when hot.

Climate Considerations

Owner's manuals and service manuals will specify the acceptable oil to use at
various temperatures. In warm climates, 10W30 is usually an acceptable
alternative to the preferred 5W30 and may be used without measurable adverse
effects. In the olden days, before multi-weight oils, it was common to have a
winter oil and a summer oil. This is no longer necessary, but if you normally
use 10W30 because you live in a warm climate then be sure to switch to 5W30 if
you plan on using the vehicle in very cold weather.

5W30 versus 10W30

Virtually all new passenger vehicles sold in the U.S. use
either 5W30 or 10W30 oil. The difference between the two is that the 5W30 flows
better when cold, so if you live in a cold climate or operate your vehicle in a
cold climate during the winter months, you should use 5W30 if it is the
preferred oil for your vehicle. If you live in a sub-tropical climate and don't
operate your vehicle in cold climates, then 10W30 is acceptable as long as the
manufacturer specifies that it is permissible to use it.

Is there a disadvantage to using an oil that flows better when
cold, i.e. 5W30 versus 10W30?

Sometimes, but usually not. The crux of the issue is this: the
bigger the difference between the cold oil viscosity and the hot oil viscosity,
the more the volume of viscosity modifiers and the less the volume of base
stock. If you are good about following the manufacturer's recommended oil
change interval then stick with the 5W30 if that is the preferred oil for your
vehicle, even if 10W30 is acceptable in warmer climates. Older cars may specify
10W30 only. This is because they need a little more viscosity when cold to keep
a protective film on the cylinder walls. There have been instances where the
larger amount of viscosity modifiers that are present in 5W30 have broken down
due to excessive heat and have left carbon deposits on the valves, but this is
extremely rare. The proper fix would be to reduce the excessive heat, but the
workaround was to use an oil with less viscosity modifiers.

Why do many oil change places, even dealerships, use 10W30 instead of
5W30, even when 5W30 is preferred?

According to www.cartalk.com (see link
in the references section), as well as many mechanics who have posted on usenet,
10W30 is the closest thing to a one size fits all oil. Many older vehicles need
10W30, and most newer vehicles are okay with it in warmer climates. Since many
garages don't want to have multiple tanks of bulk oil they choose to carry only
10W30. The advice that Tom & Ray give is correct, 'it would not be a
disaster if you used 10W30, but given a choice, go with the manufacturer's
recommendation and use the 5W30.'

Thicker is Better Myth

The reason that oil viscosities have gotten thinner is because
bearing clearances have become smaller. Using thicker oils will interfere with
oil flow and the oil pressure will increase. In a worn engine it may be okay to
increase the viscosity of the oil because the bearing clearances have become
larger.

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Oil Additives

Do not use any oil additives no matter how much they
are hyped on TV. They provide no benefit and can
interfere and react with the additives already present in the oil. Some
additives have particles that can clog oil passages and clog filters. Common
additives that are heavily hyped are Slick 50, Duralube, and Prolong.

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Oil Analysis

To determine the optimum oil change frequency for your vehicle
requires that you perform several oil analysis during one oil change interval.
For example, if your vehicle has 15,000 miles on it and the manufacturer
recommends 7500 mile oil changes for normal service and 5000 miles for severe,
perform an analysis at 18,750 miles, 20,000 miles, and 22,500 miles (if the
first or second test shows a need for an oil change then stop there). Do
not exceed the manufacturer's normal service interval even if the analysis shows
no need for an oil change at 7500 miles. The oil change industry desperately
desires that you NOT perform such an analysis. The almost certain result for
most drivers will be that even at 7500 miles the oil will still be fine.

Even after your vehicle is out of warranty it is a good idea
to continue to follow the manufacturer's schedule for maintenance. There are
frequently special campaigns (not recalls) to fix latent defects
after the warranty has expired. Lately we've seen these on some Toyota V6
engines and some Saturn engines. You want the manufacturer to have no excuse to
deny coverage. Also you can sometimes get a manufacturer to
share the cost of an expensive repair when something fails after the warranty
has expired, but this is at their pleasure and it is
best to have solid proof that you have followed the maintenance schedules.

Big oil users like bus companies and truck fleets use oil analysis to extend
the life of their engines without unnecessary oil changes. The reasons are
clear. These big engines can use 3-4 gallons of oil and unnecessary changes are
expensive in both time and materials. In some cases they change the filters and
put in additives to replace the acid neutralizers and anti-wear agents. A good
analogy is swimming pool maintenance. You clean the filters, you remove the
debris, you add stabilizers and disinfectants, but you rarely empty the whole
pool and refill it.

Two places to get your oil analyzed are:

Lubricon Lubricant Consultants, Inc 350 E.
Churchman Ave. Beech Grove, IN 46107 (317) 783-2968

Cleveland Technical Center 18419 Euclid Avenue
Cleveland, OH 44112-1016 (800) 726-5400

I could not find web sites for either of these places.

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Filters

Regular Replacement Filters

Manufacturer Filters

This is usually the best choice for your vehicle.

Aftermarket Filters

These are filters made by companies like Fram,Wix, Motorcraft,
Lee, AC/Delco, Bosch, Casite, Hastings, Pennzoil, Valvoline, and Purolator. The
quality of these filters varies greatly. In many cases the auto manufacturer
uses these filters themselves. Private label filters are made by these companies
as well.

Trade Brand Filters

These are filters made for the oil change industry. They are
actually no worse than the poorer quality aftermarket filters. You can't buy
these at an auto parts store but you'll see them used at many of the quick oil
change places.

Premium Filters

Some manufacturers of synthetic oil also make so-called
synthetic filters. These are high priced and have not been proven to provide any
benefit over a high quality manufacturer of aftermarket unit.

In-depth reviews on
Oil filters

http://www.frankhunt.com/FRANK/corvette/articles/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html

http://www.frankhunt.com/FRANK/corvette/articles/oilfilterstudy/oilfilters.html

This guy was threatened with legal action by a
major oil filter manufacturer,
so you know he's on the right track. This
resulted in the division of his web site into a fact page and an opinion page. I'm sorry, but I can't
disclose the
name of the major oil filter manufacturer.

Bypass Filters

Bypass filters have been used on diesel truck engines for years. On cars
they are a messy solution to a non-problem. Forget it.

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Synthetic Oil

Advantages
of Synthetic

Synthetic oil was
originally developed for high performance racing engines.
Mobil tried to popularize synthetic oil for passenger vehicles back in
the early
1970's. At the time, Mobil was promoting 20K or 25K oil changes with
synthetic,
but they soon backed down from this. Synthetic oil is a good choice if
you have a vehicle with a high performance
engine (in fact synthetic is required for many of these engines). It is
also a good choice if your vehicle is operated in extremely cold
climates. It
has higher resistance to breakdown caused by heat and it flows better
in extreme
cold. Unfortunately for the synthetic oil industry there is virtually
no
advantage to using synthetic oil in a non-high performance engine that
is
operated in moderate climates. You probably could go a bit longer
between oil
changes with a synthetic, i.e. following the normal service schedule
even if you
fall into the severe service category, but I wouldn't advise this. In
short, synthetic may give you the peace of mind of knowing that
you are using an oil that is far better than necessary for your
vehicle, but it
won't reduce wear or extend the life of the engine. The mistake some
people make it to wrongly extrapolate these benefits onto
normal engines operated in mild climates, with the ultimate lack of any
knowledge being manifested with statements such as
"synthetics provide 'Peace of Mind,' or 'Cheap Insurance,'" or other
such nonsense.

Extended Change Intervals

Most manufacturers of synthetic oil advise users to not exceed the
manufacturer's recommended oil change interval. Part of this is self interest
(they don't want to be liable for any damage) but the real reason is that
synthetic oil, while it does have certain advantages, still becomes
contaminated.

Be extremely wary of synthetic oil companies that offer to pay
for your repairs if it is determined that their oil and their extended change
interval recommendation caused the problem. Think for a moment of the incredible
hassle you would have to go through to prove responsibility for an engine
problem. Who would pay your legal bills? Who would pay for replacement
transportation during the battle? The more bizarre the warranty the poorer the
product is a good rule of thumb.

API Certification,
Phosphorus & ZDDP

Never use a non-API certified synthetic oil (there are many of
these on the market). The problem with the non-API certified synthetics is that
they contain too much phosphorus (in the form of the additive ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl
Dithiophosphates)).
The API has limited the amount of phosphorus because phosphorus shortens the
life of the catalytic converter. These oils are fine for snowmobiles,
motorcycles, and older cars that don't have a catalytic converter, and the extra
ZDDP does provide additional wear protection. Unfortunately, the marketers of
some the non-certified oils do not explicitly and honestly state the reason for
the lack of API certification. You can check the status of API certification on
the API web site. Be certain to go not just by the manufacturer name but by the
actual product as well. This is because a manufacturer will sometimes have both
certified and non-certified products. Suffice it to say that Mobil 1, Royal
Purple, Castrol, & Havoline all make synthetic oils that are API certified
and that can be purchased at auto parts stores and other retail outlets. Amsoil
has one product line, XL-7500 that is API certified, but it's other lines
contain too much ZDDP to be certified and should not be used in vehicles with
catalytic converters.

Amsoil

Amsoil actually makes some very good products. The negative image of Amsoil is
due to their distribution method (MLM) and their marketing approach. If Amsoil
products were competitively priced with Mobil 1 and other synthetics, and if I
could buy them in a store, I would not hesitate to use their XL-7500 synthetic
as opposed to Mobil 1. What upsets me about Amsoil is that they didn't disclose
until recently (and then it was by accident) the real reason that their oils
(except for XL-7500) are not API certified. In the past they came up with all
sorts of bizarre excuses about the reason for their lack of API certification
and this greatly contributed to the distrust that people have of the company.

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Engine Flushes--The Latest Scam

Engine flushes pump heated solvent through your engine, supposedly to
wash away sludge. But regular oil changes with detergent oil already take care
of the sludge problem. And if you actually have an engine that is full of sludge
the last thing you want to do is do an engine flush because the sludge can clog
the oil passages and destroy the engine completely. These flushes are completely
unnecessary. All they do is wash the money out of your wallet. As Click and
Clack state: "This is what's known in the business as a "profit
center." Something the garage can use to beef up the amount each person
spends per visit. So unless you've got a very old car, and are trying to solve a
specific, sludge- or carbon-related-problem, I'd skip the R-2000."
These engine flushes usually sell for about $130. The victims are people that
think that they are doing something nice for their vehicle by cleaning the
engine. In fact a dealer or repair shop that tries to sell you an engine flush
should be avoided for all service because they are untrustworthy.

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Check Your Oil

Check your oil level at least every other fill-up. It's easy to
become complacent about this, especially because few modern vehicles burn much
oil. However there are still a few vehicles that have serious oil burning
problems and owners have wrecked their engines by running out of oil.

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References

Lubrication FAQs and Myths http://www.superiorpetroleum.com/html/faq.html

Oil, the Science of Slippery Stuff http://www.autotruck.net/ms/archives/1998/498/498oil.htm

Cartalk Discussion on 10W30 versus 5W30 http://cartalk.cars.com/Columns/Archive/2001/May/11.html

Engine Oils: 101 http://www.dirtroad.com/oil.htm

All About Oil: http://www.castrolusa.com/expert/ae_article.asp?article_id=16§ion_id=3

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Summary

1. Don't fall for the 3000 mile myth or the dark oil myth

2. Follow the manufacturer's recommended change interval for
severe service or have an oil analysis performed to see if you can use the
normal service interval

3. If you do the oil changes yourself then buy the oil and
filters near the date of the oil change and keep a maintenance log with receipts

4. Use an API certified 5W30 or 10W30 oil (whatever your
manual says is preferred) and watch out for oil change places that force 10W30
on you

5. Don't use oil additives

6. If you really want to know the optimum time to change your
oil than have oil analyses performed

7. Use the manufacturer filter or a quality
after-market filter (don't go by brand name recognition!)

8. Synthetic oil is a good choice if you have
a high performance engine or if you live in an extremely cold climate, otherwise
it provides no benefit (but no harm either).

9. Avoid engine flushes

10. Check your oil

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maintenance, but clearly Toyota would have no obligation to do anything at all
if this were indeed the case. Apparently the problem is a result of owner's who
qualify for severe service following the regular service schedule. Toyota has
three different sets of criteria for deciding whether or not you qualify for
severe or normal service and this caused
confusion.

To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
From: bwasi@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:09:34 +0000
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Bincang Psl Myk Sawit

Setuju dg Cik mat.

Minyak sawit tu utk goreng ikan.

tapi kalau nak goreng engine terpulang.

kena ingat yg sawit tu natural oil.

minyak Engine lagi baguz pakai sintentik. Logam engine pun lain..logam aloi...bukan besi pure.

Piston ring habis dulu kalau pakai minyak bercampur sawit. Gomen boleh la main test2. Gomen banyak duit.

refer:

The black smoke density is not significantly different in the two cases. Wear in the engines fuelled by refined palm oil and diesel oil is not significantly different but wear in the compression rings of the engine fuelled by refined palm oil is significantly higher. (Prateepchaikul G., and Teerawat Apichato, Associate Professor, Department of Mechanical Engineering, Faculty of Engineering, Prince of Songkla University, Hat Yai, Songkla 90112, Thailand. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-palm.html)

--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, mohdmat <kedai_tayar@...> wrote:

>

> salam. nk pakai minyak apa pun utk engine oil, first sekali kena compare property minyak tu. klu property meets engine reqirement, pakai la. minyak lintah pun bole gak klu meets the requirement. engine oil utk keta tu penting function dia. byk benda nk kena compare- bukan sekadar kelikatan je. e.g. flash pt, TBN, NOACK volatility,etc. setakat yg saya tau, x dak lagi org yg buat research palm oil utk minyak engine tapi klu palm oil utk ganti diesel oil or biodiesel ada la. mungkin gomen bole buat research pasal benda ni. klu nk measure kelikatan tu pun ada caranya "The viscosity index is a measure of how much the oil's viscosity changes as temperature changes" from wikipedia. mekanik ni kdg2 bagi info yg "kurang" reliable. semalam saya pun tanya mekanik pasal minyak masak ni. dia kata utk engine keta x leh pakai tapi utk engine mesin bole la. klu nk confirm kena tanya engineer petronas yg buat research syntium tu. or diaorang x nk bagi tau sbb nanti x dak

> org nk beli syntium lagi. brader kita kat bawah ni kata, "temp ada low"- ni saya rasa mushkil sikit (correct me). temp level ni bukan ka di setkan oleh thermostat? anyway, sapa nk cuba nk buat experiment tu bole la, tapi klu saya x berani la sbb keta saya engine dia mahal nk repair klu jadi apa2.

>

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> From: mazlan <mazlan@...>

> Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:33 PM

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>

>

> Bagus tip yg saudara berikan bagi pengunaan Myk Vesawit kat kereta. Kalau kat motor macammana pulak ye?

> Â

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Mohd Suhaimi Jamil

> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com

> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 11:26 AM- Mazlan

> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

>

>

>

> Salam Geng2 Semua...

>

> Kalau nak guna minyak Vesawit untuk ganti minyak hitam, ni ada tips nye...

>

> Mula2 tukar, mesti tukar filter sekali. Guna dua minggu pastu sebaiknya tukar lagi, buang minyak vesawit lama tu pastu masuk yang baru.. Sebaiknya filter pun tukar sama. Pastu kalau nak ok boleh lah tukar sebulan sekali, tapi filter x semestinyer. .. kereta saya saga, 5kg tu guna separuh botol jer. Pomen tempat saya tukar tu ada buat perbezaan kelikatan. Dia bandingkan minyak Petronas Sintetik yg harga kat Rm200, dgn minyak hitam biasa harga RM30 dan Vesawit. Kelikatan Vesawit sama dgn Petronas punya.. Anda semua pun boleh cuba sendiri.

>

> Satu perkara yg saya perati pas guna Vesawit ni, temp ada low, enjin ada senyap dan smooth. Setakat ni ok...

>

> --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, "mazlan" <mazlan@> wrote:

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> > Assalamualaikum,

> > Saya pun sama, pakai Myk Visawit, murah lagi menjimatkan. Engin pun rasa ringan je...cubalah.

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

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> > Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

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> > Salam bro..

> >

> > Kawan2 kita tu duk citer psl myk petrol.

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> > Kalau nak iklan sila buat tajuk sendiri. InsyaAllah saya akan siarkan.

> > Myk motor EX5 sy pakai Brand Seri Murni (2x pemeringkatan) hehehehe

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> > > salam semua warga automobil

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> > > kalau pasal minyak engine keta dgn moto, gunalah ELF. Hanya dijual oleh agen Amway sahaja. Kalau nak beli, email saya ye.

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2a.: Re: minta pendapat waja vs volvo 850

Posted by: "Mohmad Abdullah" mbabest@hotmail.com matdollahmy

Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:32 pm (PDT)

Kenapa tukar ke lagi lama? S/Spart volvo mahal , kereta lama , 13 tahun banyak kena ganti nanti .

To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
From: yasmi@ymail.com
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:44:08 -0700
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - minta pendapat waja vs volvo 850

Assalamualaikum..

nak minta pendapat..

saya mempunyai PROTON WAJA 1.6 AUTO 2001 cadang nak tukar VOLVO 850 1996.

apa pendapat korang semua..

sekian, terima kasih

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2b.: Re: minta pendapat waja vs volvo 850

Posted by: "Yasmi Yahaya" yasmi@ymail.com wnh8067

Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:54 pm (PDT)

sebab nak tukar volvo..
Â
1. sebab kereta nie spesis mewah
2. bentuk lawa
3. tahan lasak
4. murah

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From: Mohmad Abdullah <mbabest@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - minta pendapat waja vs volvo 850
To: "group krerta" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 5:10 AM

Kenapa tukar ke lagi lama? S/Spart volvo mahal , kereta lama , 13 tahun banyak kena ganti nanti .

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From: yasmi@ymail. com
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:44:08 -0700
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - minta pendapat waja vs volvo 850

Assalamualaikum. .
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nak minta pendapat..
Â
saya mempunyai PROTON WAJA 1.6 AUTO 2001 cadang nak tukar VOLVO 850 1996.
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3a.: Re: Bincang Psl Myk Sawit

Posted by: "Mohmad Abdullah" mbabest@hotmail.com matdollahmy

Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:34 pm (PDT)

Lagi info minyak kepala sawit ni kat bawah...

Copy paste saje
----------------------------------------------------------
Let us take a comment made by supposedly graduan ekonomi dan kejuruteraan dari Universiti Arkansas:

Bekas
jurutera sebuah syarikat Jepun serta graduan dalam bidang ekonomi dan
kejuruteraan dari Universiti Arkansas , Amerika Syarikat itu berkata:
"Minyak kelapa sawit merupakan minyak paling sentitik, tetapi kita
tidak tahu mengenainya. "

Which characteris is the palm oil is the most synthetic?

let me make the comparison:
Fully synthetic TOTAL QUARTZ 9000 SM 5W40 flash point is 230C
100% mineral oil flashpoint is 302C
100% palm oil flashpoint is 304C

TOTAL QUARTZ viscosity at 40C is 87.28mm2/sec
100% mineral oil is 503.4mm2/sec
100% palm oil is 42.6mm2/sec

TOTAL QUARTZ viscosity at 100C is 14.22mm2/sec
100% mineral oil is 32.51mm2/sec
100% palm oil is 8.65mm2/sec

TOTAL Quartz viscosity index is 169
100% mineral oil is 96.15
100% palm oil is 187

Stupid punya BEKAS Jurutera.

By
the way my sister is a PhD graduate in Chemistry and she is a
researcher at MPOB (Malaysian Palm Oil Board) and the result so far has
not supported the usage of 100% palm oil (i.e., by going to the
supermarket, buy packets of cooking oil made of palm oil and pour into
you car engine), you need other additive to be effective. She has
published papers in established journals on biodiesel fuel.

To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
From: bwasi@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:09:34 +0000
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Bincang Psl Myk Sawit

Setuju dg Cik mat.

Minyak sawit tu utk goreng ikan.

tapi kalau nak goreng engine terpulang.

kena ingat yg sawit tu natural oil.

minyak Engine lagi baguz pakai sintentik. Logam engine pun lain..logam aloi...bukan besi pure.

Piston ring habis dulu kalau pakai minyak bercampur sawit. Gomen boleh la main test2. Gomen banyak duit.

refer:

The black smoke density is not significantly different in the two cases. Wear in the engines fuelled by refined palm oil and diesel oil is not significantly different but wear in the compression rings of the engine fuelled by refined palm oil is significantly higher. (Prateepchaikul G., and Teerawat Apichato, Associate Professor, Department of Mechanical Engineering, Faculty of Engineering, Prince of Songkla University, Hat Yai, Songkla 90112, Thailand. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-palm.html)

--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, mohdmat <kedai_tayar@...> wrote:

>

> salam. nk pakai minyak apa pun utk engine oil, first sekali kena compare property minyak tu. klu property meets engine reqirement, pakai la. minyak lintah pun bole gak klu meets the requirement. engine oil utk keta tu penting function dia. byk benda nk kena compare- bukan sekadar kelikatan je. e.g. flash pt, TBN, NOACK volatility,etc. setakat yg saya tau, x dak lagi org yg buat research palm oil utk minyak engine tapi klu palm oil utk ganti diesel oil or biodiesel ada la. mungkin gomen bole buat research pasal benda ni. klu nk measure kelikatan tu pun ada caranya "The viscosity index is a measure of how much the oil's viscosity changes as temperature changes" from wikipedia. mekanik ni kdg2 bagi info yg "kurang" reliable. semalam saya pun tanya mekanik pasal minyak masak ni. dia kata utk engine keta x leh pakai tapi utk engine mesin bole la. klu nk confirm kena tanya engineer petronas yg buat research syntium tu. or diaorang x nk bagi tau sbb nanti x dak

> org nk beli syntium lagi. brader kita kat bawah ni kata, "temp ada low"- ni saya rasa mushkil sikit (correct me). temp level ni bukan ka di setkan oleh thermostat? anyway, sapa nk cuba nk buat experiment tu bole la, tapi klu saya x berani la sbb keta saya engine dia mahal nk repair klu jadi apa2.

>

> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, mazlan <mazlan@...> wrote:

>

>

> From: mazlan <mazlan@...>

> Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:33 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Bagus tip yg saudara berikan bagi pengunaan Myk Vesawit kat kereta. Kalau kat motor macammana pulak ye?

> Â

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Mohd Suhaimi Jamil

> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com

> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 11:26 AM- Mazlan

> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

>

>

>

> Salam Geng2 Semua...

>

> Kalau nak guna minyak Vesawit untuk ganti minyak hitam, ni ada tips nye...

>

> Mula2 tukar, mesti tukar filter sekali. Guna dua minggu pastu sebaiknya tukar lagi, buang minyak vesawit lama tu pastu masuk yang baru.. Sebaiknya filter pun tukar sama. Pastu kalau nak ok boleh lah tukar sebulan sekali, tapi filter x semestinyer. .. kereta saya saga, 5kg tu guna separuh botol jer. Pomen tempat saya tukar tu ada buat perbezaan kelikatan. Dia bandingkan minyak Petronas Sintetik yg harga kat Rm200, dgn minyak hitam biasa harga RM30 dan Vesawit. Kelikatan Vesawit sama dgn Petronas punya.. Anda semua pun boleh cuba sendiri.

>

> Satu perkara yg saya perati pas guna Vesawit ni, temp ada low, enjin ada senyap dan smooth. Setakat ni ok...

>

> --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, "mazlan" <mazlan@> wrote:

> >

> > Assalamualaikum,

> > Saya pun sama, pakai Myk Visawit, murah lagi menjimatkan. Engin pun rasa ringan je...cubalah.

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

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> > To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com

> > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:45 AM- Mazlan

> > Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

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> >

> > Salam bro..

> >

> > Kawan2 kita tu duk citer psl myk petrol.

> >

> > Kalau nak iklan sila buat tajuk sendiri. InsyaAllah saya akan siarkan.

> > Myk motor EX5 sy pakai Brand Seri Murni (2x pemeringkatan) hehehehe

> >

> > --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, Muhammad Rahmat <rahmat_gwsb@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > salam semua warga automobil

> > >

> > > kalau pasal minyak engine keta dgn moto, gunalah ELF. Hanya dijual oleh agen Amway sahaja. Kalau nak beli, email saya ye.

> > > tima kasih.

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3b.: Re: Bincang Psl Myk Sawit

Posted by: "mohdmat" kedai_tayar@yahoo.com kedai_tayar

Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:34 am (PDT)

betul tu "thermostat gunanya utk mengawal suhu enjin supaya berada pada range suhu tertentu". apabila engine sejuk, thermostat akan tertutup utk bagi enjin cepat panas. bila dh sampai at set temp, thermostat ni akan dibuka utk transfer kan haba dkt coolant ke radiator. dia akan buka tutup at the set temp. so tak kira la pakai vesawit ke minyak hitam ke, coolant temp akan maintain dekat set temp jadi temp gage akan tetap sama walaupun pakai minyak apa pun. so argument brader kat bawah kata ""temp ada low" tu yg mushkil sikit tu.

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From: Kamarul <b.kamarl@sem.sharp-world.com>
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Bincang Psl Myk Sawit
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 9:40 PM

Ã¯Â»Â¿

Salam,
difinisi thermostat dari web www.automotivesrepa ir.com
Thermostat
Definition: A valve, located in the cooling system of an engine, which is closed when cold and opens gradually in response to engine heating, controlling the temperature of the coolant and rate of coolant flow.

Dan dari:
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Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: thermostat Top
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Device that detects temperature changes for the purpose of maintaining the temperature of an enclosed area essentially constant. The thermostat generates signals, usually electrical, to activate relays, valves, switches, and so on when the temperature rises above or falls below the desired value. Thermostats are used to control the flow of fuel to a burner, of electric current to a heating or cooling unit, or of a heated or cooled gas or liquid into the area it serves. They are also used in fire-detection warning systems.
For more information on thermostat, visit Britannica.com.
Â
pada pemahamnan saya thermostatÂ gunanya utk mengawal suhu enjin supaya berada Â padaÂ range suhu tertentu.
contohnyaÂ katakanÂ enjin kereta function dgn baik pada suhu 60 ke 80 C.
bila pakai minyak hitam suhu enjin 79 C
bila pakai vesawit 70 C ...aliran air sistem coolingÂ masih seperti biasa
bila turun rendah sangat cthnya 59 C maka thermestot berfungsi ...aliran air cooling sistem akan dikecilkan supaya enjin temp naik ke julat suhu yg. mengikut spec.enjin kereta.
terima kasih.

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Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Bincang Psl Myk Sawit

salam. nk pakai minyak apa pun utk engine oil, first sekali kena compare property minyak tu. klu property meets engine reqirement, pakai la. minyak lintah pun bole gak klu meets the requirement. engine oil utk keta tu penting function dia. byk benda nk kena compare- bukan sekadar kelikatan je. e.g. flash pt, TBN, NOACK volatility,etc. setakat yg saya tau, x dak lagi org yg buat research palm oil utk minyak engine tapi klu palm oil utk ganti diesel oil or biodiesel ada la. mungkin gomen bole buat research pasal benda ni. klu nk measure kelikatan tu pun ada caranya "The viscosity index is a measure of how much the oil's viscosity changes as temperature changes" from wikipedia. mekanik ni kdg2 bagi info yg "kurang" reliable. semalam saya pun tanya mekanik pasal minyak masak ni. dia kata utk engine keta x leh pakai tapi utk engine mesin bole la. klu nk confirm kena tanya engineer petronas yg buat research syntium tu. or diaorang x nk bagi tau sbb nanti x dak
org nk beli syntium lagi. brader kita kat bawah ni kata, "temp ada low"- ni saya rasa mushkil sikit (correct me). temp level ni bukan ka di setkan oleh thermostat? anyway, sapa nk cuba nk buat experiment tu bole la, tapi klu saya x berani la sbb keta saya engine dia mahal nk repair klu jadi apa2.

--- On Wed, 6/10/09, mazlan <mazlan@century- chemical. com> wrote:

From: mazlan <mazlan@century- chemical. com>
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:33 PM

Bagus tip yg saudara berikan bagi pengunaan Myk Vesawit kat kereta. Kalau kat motor macammana pulak ye?
Â

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From: Mohd Suhaimi Jamil
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 11:26 AM- Mazlan
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Salam Geng2 Semua...

Kalau nak guna minyak Vesawit untuk ganti minyak hitam, ni ada tips nye...

Mula2 tukar, mesti tukar filter sekali. Guna dua minggu pastu sebaiknya tukar lagi, buang minyak vesawit lama tu pastu masuk yang baru.. Sebaiknya filter pun tukar sama. Pastu kalau nak ok boleh lah tukar sebulan sekali, tapi filter x semestinyer. .. kereta saya saga, 5kg tu guna separuh botol jer. Pomen tempat saya tukar tu ada buat perbezaan kelikatan. Dia bandingkan minyak Petronas Sintetik yg harga kat Rm200, dgn minyak hitam biasa harga RM30 dan Vesawit. Kelikatan Vesawit sama dgn Petronas punya.. Anda semua pun boleh cuba sendiri.

Satu perkara yg saya perati pas guna Vesawit ni, temp ada low, enjin ada senyap dan smooth. Setakat ni ok...

--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, "mazlan" <mazlan@...> wrote:
>
> Assalamualaikum,
> Saya pun sama, pakai Myk Visawit, murah lagi menjimatkan. Engin pun rasa ringan je...cubalah.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:45 AM- Mazlan
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
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>
>
>
> Salam bro..
>
> Kawan2 kita tu duk citer psl myk petrol.
>
> Kalau nak iklan sila buat tajuk sendiri. InsyaAllah saya akan siarkan.
> Myk motor EX5 sy pakai Brand Seri Murni (2x pemeringkatan) hehehehe
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, Muhammad Rahmat <rahmat_gwsb@ > wrote:
> >
> > salam semua warga automobil
> >
> > kalau pasal minyak engine keta dgn moto, gunalah ELF. Hanya dijual oleh agen Amway sahaja. Kalau nak beli, email saya ye.
> > tima kasih.
> >
> > Regards,
> > rahmat
> >
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4.1.: Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Posted by: "Abdul Rahman bin Johari" arahman@newhoongfatt.com.my man_apache

Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:35 pm (PDT)

nak pick-up jugak, aku cadangkan pakai jerla surbo tu. korang nak letak
single surbo ke twin surbo ke tak kisah, mmg terasa pick-up nya. isila
minyak shell ke, minyak petronas ke, BHP ke...aku jamin mmg ada pick-up,
sebab aku dah test pasang kt kete aku minggu lepas. pinjam member punya
dulu, nak rasa betul ke ada improvement. malam esok iallah balik kampung
aku nak test pick-up kete aku tu naik bukit sikit punya baik janda tu.
kete aku auto, kalau dapat cucuk angin wira ekzos besar tu dah kira ok
la tu. nak kejar singa 806 cik mie rasanya tercicir jauh dah... aku test
minyak shell ngan petronas tu kat motor KIPS aku, tu yang tau asap
banyak ke tak banyak. reason kenapa ada asap tu tak tatau la pulak,
mungin betul pembakaran tak lengkap tp mungkin juga sebab additive dalam
minyak tu. ni minyak petrol, kalau minyak hitam plak sape lagi best?
petronas synthium ke shell helix? ha jawab jgn tak jawab.....

Mohmad Abdullah wrote:
>
>
> Ada orang kata kalau isi minyak tak penuh, bahagian yang kena wap air
> tu mudah karat, nanti tangki karat pulak .
>
> Mungkin gilir -gilir ok kot, kejap penuh kejap tak , jadi lapisan
> minya selaput tak mudah karat .
>
> Belum kaji lagi
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> From: Ijam@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:26:15 +0800
> Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
>
>
>
> tok mode , id sorok..
> Ijam je...
>
> kalau nak pick up..kurang kan beban kereta..cth ...jgn isi minyak penuh...
> sekali isi..letak rm 20~30 je...kurang skit beban keta...minyak
> consumption
> pun kurang ....
> kalau keta lama..service kena kerap...sebelum normal servicing....
> kalau gear manual...kena ler pandai main gear...baru pick up...
> dlm town...jgn bawa laju..ikut had laju...kalau tak ...bazir minyak....
> so conclusion...pakai je minyak petronas...atau shell..
> pilih ler yg banyak ganjaran....
> aku pakai petronas je...
>
> rgds
>
> mohdmat <kedai_tayar@yahoo.com
> <mailto:kedai_tayar@yahoo.com>>@yahoogroups.com on 06/07/2009 05:32:35 PM
>
> Please respond to automobil@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com>
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> Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com>
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> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com>
> cc:
> Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
>
> saja je nk menyampuk dah lama x tulis, rasa gatal tgn nk menaip.
>
>
> I guess only (sorry aa), ni semua experiment ni hanya pada perasaan
> sahaja.
> "..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell,
> pickup mmg pickup tp asap banyak..." asap apa yg byk ni brader. my
> opinion,
> kalau asap byk maksudnya combustion process tu x efficient so directly
> related to torque produced (pickup). wondering mcm mana petronas yg asap
> sikit bole takde pickup tapi shell yg asap byk bole bagi tinggi.
> pollutant yg keluar apa namanya, smog ka? smoke + fog. without
> complete fuel specs
> from shell & petronas, susah nk buat judgement mana lebih baik. kat
> sini ada link yg discuss pasal isu tapi kat US. bole la amik sikit2 yg
> related.
>
> http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/stop-buying-crap/brand-conscious-buying-3-gasoline/
> <http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/stop-buying-crap/brand-conscious-buying-3-gasoline/>
>
>
> klu nk terus kan discuss lagi berdasarkan pengalaman/experiment
> sendiri bole teruskan utk menghangatkan group ni tapi valid ke tak tu
> x tau la . klu
> technical byk sgt, boring gak.
>
> --- On Tue, 6/2/09, omar@yahoogroups.com <mailto:omar@yahoogroups.com>
> <omar@yahoogroups.com <mailto:omar@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>
> From: omar@yahoogroups.com <mailto:omar@yahoogroups.com>
> <omar@yahoogroups.com <mailto:omar@yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com>"
> <automobil@yahoogroups.com <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 3:28 AM
>
>
>
> Salam. Tok Mod sorok ID yeeeÃ¢â‚¬Â¦
>
>
> Saya dah pakai Petronas dan skrg pengguna tetap Shell sejak berbelas
> tahun dahuluÃ¢â‚¬Â¦
>
>
> Bukan tak nak guna Petronas tapi performance kete tak memuaskan. Pikap
> lembap satu hal,tapi bila speeding jerking semacam je.
>
>
> Lagipun guna Shell boleh kumpul model kete Ferrari he he he
>
>
>
>
>
> From: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:automobil@ yahoogroups. com]
> On Behalf Of awie533
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:36 PM
> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> aku pun setuju sbb aku dah test pakai petronas langsung takda pickup
> dan juga berat gila...shell best!!!!!!!! !!
> tak percaya kau org test sendiri tp kat unser aku perbezaan ketara
> sangat.mengapa eek??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Abdul Rahman bin Johari <arahman@newhoongfat t.com.my>
> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 11:48:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
>
>
> ntahla, pada aku minyak petronas kalau pakai..pickup takde, berat tapi
> asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap
> banyak...minyak petronas ni awal2 dulu je kata bersihla, mmg awal2
> pakai bersih tapi lama2 dah tak bersih
>
> m wrote:
> Petronas vs Shell, mana paling bagus? Errr paling best oil price below
> RM1.50 seliter, ha ha hah! sorry melawak lak! Pada aku Shell best
> la! Pickup dan penjimatan ada la sket,
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: wan <reduanhanif@ yahoo.com>
> Date: 2009/6/2
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> salam,
>
> aku pun ade jugak buat ujikaji petronas dgn shell nih.aku try kat moto
> aku gak.dan aku dapati mmg petronas lagi pikap,power dan lebih
> jimat.top speed pun lebih kepada petronas.shell bile gune enjin mmg
> kasar dan pikap takde.enjin motor aku bunyi bising.dari segi
> jimat.klu pegi balik keje setiap ari, aku leh dpt extra lebih sehari
> kalau guna minyak petronas compare dgn shell. kesimpulannye,
> petronas lebih pikap,power dan jimat dari shell.petronas mmg boleh
> pegi lebih jauh...shell lebih kilometer je.jauh2 tak leh pegi.keke
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, idea_um idea_um07 <idea_um07@.. .>
> wrote:
> >
> > aku ada bt skit ujikaji tentang perbezaan minyak petrons ngn shell,
> ak dapat rasa bila aku isi minyak petronas ak bw motor tu rasa
> lebih pikap dan rasa smooth je enjin nye xdela kasar, mean the
> performance is very good jika dibandingkan bila aku isi minyak shell ,
> aku rasa enjim motor rasa rough jer dan sangat kasar bunyi enjin motor
> tu. ni experience aku la masa aku blaja dulu . ak xpuas ati gak
> dan aku repeat ujian ni tp the result is still same. minatk ulsan
> member sume.
> >
> >
> > menurut member aku, ms kj dulu, die ckp minyak petronas klu dari
> segi performance mmg bgs coz lebih pikap tp klu save minyak shell lbh
> save.
> > so, aku ada bt experiment mengenai perkara ni, tp sebelum tu ak
> bersetuju la dgn die bahawa minyak petronas lbh pikat dan smooth coz
> ak dapat rasai nye before this. yang mengenai save tu ak bt la skit
> kajian dan result nye petronas lbh kilometer yan ak dapt tp the
> result can be question la coz the parameter is not properly well. ak
> bt dlam tiga replicate. mintak ulasan sume pihak demi kebaikan
> bersama.
> >
> > nnti ak nk bli minyak ltk dlam botol plak, ak sampi skang still
> xpuas ati coz ramai yang ckp minyak petrons skit je dapt.jika bnr nk
> tukar minyak lain lak .
> >
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4.2.: Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Posted by: "Azmi OilyMan" mr.oilyman@gmail.com oilymantech

Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:10 pm (PDT)

Salam,

Saya baru sampai dari Kelantan ptg smlm.

Masa sampai di Kuala Krai Kelantan, saya isi petrol Shell (masa tu dah
warning) RM50. Pakai pusing merata2 siap gi Tok Bali.

Masa nak balik KL smlm pam myk Shell habis stok. Terpaksa isi Petronas. Saya
isi dlm RM20 dulu. Dari Pasir Puteh jln clear takde jam sampai Shell Kuala
Krai (stesen hari tu). Saya rasa mcm kuat myk pulak dr P.Puteh-K.Krai habis
RM20... (warning to warning)..

Kawan saya ckp bukan sb myk shell jimat myk, tapi mrk lebihkan kuantiti.
Saya tak pernah check lagi.
Kalau ada sape2 yg ada kelapangan boleh lah buat perbandingan, isi masing2 1
liter, tgk myk mana yg lebih banyak..

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>
>
> nak pick-up jugak, aku cadangkan pakai jerla surbo tu. korang nak letak
> single surbo ke twin surbo ke tak kisah, mmg terasa pick-up nya. isila
> minyak shell ke, minyak petronas ke, BHP ke...aku jamin mmg ada pick-up,
> sebab aku dah test pasang kt kete aku minggu lepas. pinjam member punya
> dulu, nak rasa betul ke ada improvement. malam esok iallah balik kampung aku
> nak test pick-up kete aku tu naik bukit sikit punya baik janda tu. kete aku
> auto, kalau dapat cucuk angin wira ekzos besar tu dah kira ok la tu. nak
> kejar singa 806 cik mie rasanya tercicir jauh dah... aku test minyak shell
> ngan petronas tu kat motor KIPS aku, tu yang tau asap banyak ke tak banyak.
> reason kenapa ada asap tu tak tatau la pulak, mungin betul pembakaran tak
> lengkap tp mungkin juga sebab additive dalam minyak tu. ni minyak petrol,
> kalau minyak hitam plak sape lagi best? petronas synthium ke shell helix? ha
> jawab jgn tak jawab.....
>
> Mohmad Abdullah wrote:
>
> Ada orang kata kalau isi minyak tak penuh, bahagian yang kena wap air tu
> mudah karat, nanti tangki karat pulak .
>
> Mungkin gilir -gilir ok kot, kejap penuh kejap tak , jadi lapisan minya
> selaput tak mudah karat .
>
> Belum kaji lagi
>
> ------------------------------
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> From: Ijam@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:26:15 +0800
> Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
>
>
>
> tok mode , id sorok..
> Ijam je...
>
> kalau nak pick up..kurang kan beban kereta..cth ...jgn isi minyak penuh...
> sekali isi..letak rm 20~30 je...kurang skit beban keta...minyak consumption
> pun kurang ....
> kalau keta lama..service kena kerap...sebelum normal servicing....
> kalau gear manual...kena ler pandai main gear...baru pick up...
> dlm town...jgn bawa laju..ikut had laju...kalau tak ...bazir minyak....
> so conclusion...pakai je minyak petronas...atau shell..
> pilih ler yg banyak ganjaran....
> aku pakai petronas je...
>
> rgds
>
> mohdmat <kedai_tayar@yahoo.com>@yahoogroups.com on 06/07/2009 05:32:35 PM
>
> Please respond to automobil@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> cc:
> Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
>
> saja je nk menyampuk dah lama x tulis, rasa gatal tgn nk menaip.
>
>
> I guess only (sorry aa), ni semua experiment ni hanya pada perasaan sahaja.
>
> "..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell,
> pickup mmg pickup tp asap banyak..." asap apa yg byk ni brader. my opinion,
> kalau asap byk maksudnya combustion process tu x efficient so directly
> related to torque produced (pickup). wondering mcm mana petronas yg asap
> sikit bole takde pickup tapi shell yg asap byk bole bagi tinggi. pollutant
> yg keluar apa namanya, smog ka? smoke + fog. without complete fuel specs
> from shell & petronas, susah nk buat judgement mana lebih baik. kat sini
> ada link yg discuss pasal isu tapi kat US. bole la amik sikit2 yg related.
>
>
> http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/stop-buying-crap/brand-conscious-buying-3-gasoline/
>
> klu nk terus kan discuss lagi berdasarkan pengalaman/experiment sendiri
> bole teruskan utk menghangatkan group ni tapi valid ke tak tu x tau la . klu
>
> technical byk sgt, boring gak.
>
> --- On Tue, 6/2/09, omar@yahoogroups.com <omar@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> From: omar@yahoogroups.com <omar@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 3:28 AM
>
>
>
> Salam. Tok Mod sorok ID yeeeâ€¦
>
>
> Saya dah pakai Petronas dan skrg pengguna tetap Shell sejak berbelas tahun
> dahuluâ€¦
>
>
> Bukan tak nak guna Petronas tapi performance kete tak memuaskan. Pikap
> lembap satu hal,tapi bila speeding jerking semacam je.
>
>
> Lagipun guna Shell boleh kumpul model kete Ferrari he he he
>
>
>
>
>
> From: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:automobil@ <automobil@>yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of awie533
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:36 PM
> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> aku pun setuju sbb aku dah test pakai petronas langsung takda pickup dan
> juga berat gila...shell best!!!!!!!! !!
> tak percaya kau org test sendiri tp kat unser aku perbezaan ketara
> sangat.mengapa eek??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Abdul Rahman bin Johari <arahman@newhoongfat t.com.my>
> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 11:48:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
>
>
> ntahla, pada aku minyak petronas kalau pakai..pickup takde, berat tapi asap
> sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap
> banyak...minyak petronas ni awal2 dulu je kata bersihla, mmg awal2 pakai
> bersih tapi lama2 dah tak bersih
>
> m wrote:
> Petronas vs Shell, mana paling bagus? Errr paling best oil price below
> RM1.50 seliter, ha ha hah! sorry melawak lak! Pada aku Shell best
> la! Pickup dan penjimatan ada la sket,
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: wan <reduanhanif@ yahoo.com>
> Date: 2009/6/2
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> salam,
>
> aku pun ade jugak buat ujikaji petronas dgn shell nih.aku try kat moto aku
> gak.dan aku dapati mmg petronas lagi pikap,power dan lebih
> jimat.top speed pun lebih kepada petronas.shell bile gune enjin mmg kasar
> dan pikap takde.enjin motor aku bunyi bising.dari segi
> jimat.klu pegi balik keje setiap ari, aku leh dpt extra lebih sehari kalau
> guna minyak petronas compare dgn shell. kesimpulannye,
> petronas lebih pikap,power dan jimat dari shell.petronas mmg boleh pegi
> lebih jauh...shell lebih kilometer je.jauh2 tak leh pegi.keke
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, idea_um idea_um07 <idea_um07@.. .>
> wrote:
> >
> > aku ada bt skit ujikaji tentang perbezaan minyak petrons ngn shell, ak
> dapat rasa bila aku isi minyak petronas ak bw motor tu rasa
> lebih pikap dan rasa smooth je enjin nye xdela kasar, mean the performance
> is very good jika dibandingkan bila aku isi minyak shell ,
> aku rasa enjim motor rasa rough jer dan sangat kasar bunyi enjin motor tu.
> ni experience aku la masa aku blaja dulu . ak xpuas ati gak
> dan aku repeat ujian ni tp the result is still same. minatk ulsan member
> sume.
> >
> >
> > menurut member aku, ms kj dulu, die ckp minyak petronas klu dari segi
> performance mmg bgs coz lebih pikap tp klu save minyak shell lbh
> save.
> > so, aku ada bt experiment mengenai perkara ni, tp sebelum tu ak bersetuju
> la dgn die bahawa minyak petronas lbh pikat dan smooth coz
> ak dapat rasai nye before this. yang mengenai save tu ak bt la skit kajian
> dan result nye petronas lbh kilometer yan ak dapt tp the
> result can be question la coz the parameter is not properly well. ak bt
> dlam tiga replicate. mintak ulasan sume pihak demi kebaikan
> bersama.
> >
> > nnti ak nk bli minyak ltk dlam botol plak, ak sampi skang still xpuas ati
> coz ramai yang ckp minyak petrons skit je dapt.jika bnr nk
> tukar minyak lain lak .
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4.3.: Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Posted by: "bashah" bwasi@yahoo.com bwasi

Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:49 pm (PDT)

sorilah geng,,asik aku jer yg jawab hari ni...aku baru baik demam kot...

isi minyak petronas kena ada style..style dia isi penuh...bila isi penuh 'kemeruapan gas ' rendah. So minyak jimat kat situ...

kalau nak isi sikit2, lebih baik isi Shell..sebab kemeruapan dia rendah sikit dari Petronas..kalau korang tak caya, sepetkan mata...(kalau hidu memanglah Shell lebih wangi)...

kalau nak meruap tinggi pakailah V-Power....tapi bayor lebihlah.

walaupun keta aku keta antik 1989, aku isi penuh. Sebab tu aku pakai Petronas. Malas nak berhenti kat stesen. (Bila berhenti jer, anak aku kenakan aku tol gula2, air gas...etc..Bini aku letak tol dia jugak...asam masinla apala)...Aku pakai kredit kad -CIMB sekarang sebab ada diskaun Petronas.

kalau minyak HITAM pulak. Aku TAK rekemen dua2 Shell atau Petronas. Korang ambik BHP OIL EnGINE lagi baguZ. Susah aku buktikan atau cakap kat sini. Kalau brand lain, pakai Castrol. Tapi kalau korang nak lagi JIMAT, pi kedai Spare part beli minyak NISSAN ke, TOYOTA ke, INGAT TU mINYAK ENJIN...so beli minyak engine SYARiKAT KETA.

ADAKE SHELL CIPTA ENGINE, ka PETRONAS buat ENGINE ? Pikior baik2 YEop...

. ...aku beli Toyota 20w50 harga RM38 4 liter.
BHP RM56 hinggit 4liter..Gilor ke apor ko... punya mahai.

(Tapi kalau FELDA cipta engine kereta, aku kena pakai SRI MURNI lah..keke)

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> Salam,
>
> Saya baru sampai dari Kelantan ptg smlm.
>
> Masa sampai di Kuala Krai Kelantan, saya isi petrol Shell (masa tu dah
> warning) RM50. Pakai pusing merata2 siap gi Tok Bali.
>
> Masa nak balik KL smlm pam myk Shell habis stok. Terpaksa isi Petronas. Saya
> isi dlm RM20 dulu. Dari Pasir Puteh jln clear takde jam sampai Shell Kuala
> Krai (stesen hari tu). Saya rasa mcm kuat myk pulak dr P.Puteh-K.Krai habis
> RM20... (warning to warning)..
>
> Kawan saya ckp bukan sb myk shell jimat myk, tapi mrk lebihkan kuantiti.
> Saya tak pernah check lagi.
> Kalau ada sape2 yg ada kelapangan boleh lah buat perbandingan, isi masing2 1
> liter, tgk myk mana yg lebih banyak..
>
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>
> >
> >
> > nak pick-up jugak, aku cadangkan pakai jerla surbo tu. korang nak letak
> > single surbo ke twin surbo ke tak kisah, mmg terasa pick-up nya. isila
> > minyak shell ke, minyak petronas ke, BHP ke...aku jamin mmg ada pick-up,
> > sebab aku dah test pasang kt kete aku minggu lepas. pinjam member punya
> > dulu, nak rasa betul ke ada improvement. malam esok iallah balik kampung aku
> > nak test pick-up kete aku tu naik bukit sikit punya baik janda tu. kete aku
> > auto, kalau dapat cucuk angin wira ekzos besar tu dah kira ok la tu. nak
> > kejar singa 806 cik mie rasanya tercicir jauh dah... aku test minyak shell
> > ngan petronas tu kat motor KIPS aku, tu yang tau asap banyak ke tak banyak.
> > reason kenapa ada asap tu tak tatau la pulak, mungin betul pembakaran tak
> > lengkap tp mungkin juga sebab additive dalam minyak tu. ni minyak petrol,
> > kalau minyak hitam plak sape lagi best? petronas synthium ke shell helix? ha
> > jawab jgn tak jawab.....
> >
> > Mohmad Abdullah wrote:
> >
> > Ada orang kata kalau isi minyak tak penuh, bahagian yang kena wap air tu
> > mudah karat, nanti tangki karat pulak .
> >
> > Mungkin gilir -gilir ok kot, kejap penuh kejap tak , jadi lapisan minya
> > selaput tak mudah karat .
> >
> > Belum kaji lagi
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> > From: Ijam@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:26:15 +0800
> > Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> >
> >
> >
> > tok mode , id sorok..
> > Ijam je...
> >
> > kalau nak pick up..kurang kan beban kereta..cth ...jgn isi minyak penuh...
> > sekali isi..letak rm 20~30 je...kurang skit beban keta...minyak consumption
> > pun kurang ....
> > kalau keta lama..service kena kerap...sebelum normal servicing....
> > kalau gear manual...kena ler pandai main gear...baru pick up...
> > dlm town...jgn bawa laju..ikut had laju...kalau tak ...bazir minyak....
> > so conclusion...pakai je minyak petronas...atau shell..
> > pilih ler yg banyak ganjaran....
> > aku pakai petronas je...
> >
> > rgds
> >
> > mohdmat <kedai_tayar@...>@yahoogroups.com on 06/07/2009 05:32:35 PM
> >
> > Please respond to automobil@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> > cc:
> > Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> >
> > saja je nk menyampuk dah lama x tulis, rasa gatal tgn nk menaip.
> >
> >
> > I guess only (sorry aa), ni semua experiment ni hanya pada perasaan sahaja.
> >
> > "..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell,
> > pickup mmg pickup tp asap banyak..." asap apa yg byk ni brader. my opinion,
> > kalau asap byk maksudnya combustion process tu x efficient so directly
> > related to torque produced (pickup). wondering mcm mana petronas yg asap
> > sikit bole takde pickup tapi shell yg asap byk bole bagi tinggi. pollutant
> > yg keluar apa namanya, smog ka? smoke + fog. without complete fuel specs
> > from shell & petronas, susah nk buat judgement mana lebih baik. kat sini
> > ada link yg discuss pasal isu tapi kat US. bole la amik sikit2 yg related.
> >
> >
> > http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/stop-buying-crap/brand-conscious-buying-3-gasoline/
> >
> > klu nk terus kan discuss lagi berdasarkan pengalaman/experiment sendiri
> > bole teruskan utk menghangatkan group ni tapi valid ke tak tu x tau la . klu
> >
> > technical byk sgt, boring gak.
> >
> > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, omar@yahoogroups.com <omar@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: omar@yahoogroups.com <omar@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> > To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 3:28 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Salam. Tok Mod sorok ID yeeeâ€¦
> >
> >
> > Saya dah pakai Petronas dan skrg pengguna tetap Shell sejak berbelas tahun
> > dahuluâ€¦
> >
> >
> > Bukan tak nak guna Petronas tapi performance kete tak memuaskan. Pikap
> > lembap satu hal,tapi bila speeding jerking semacam je.
> >
> >
> > Lagipun guna Shell boleh kumpul model kete Ferrari he he he
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:automobil@ <automobil@>yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of awie533
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:36 PM
> > To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > aku pun setuju sbb aku dah test pakai petronas langsung takda pickup dan
> > juga berat gila...shell best!!!!!!!! !!
> > tak percaya kau org test sendiri tp kat unser aku perbezaan ketara
> > sangat.mengapa eek??
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Abdul Rahman bin Johari <arahman@newhoongfat t.com.my>
> > To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 11:48:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> >
> >
> > ntahla, pada aku minyak petronas kalau pakai..pickup takde, berat tapi asap
> > sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap
> > banyak...minyak petronas ni awal2 dulu je kata bersihla, mmg awal2 pakai
> > bersih tapi lama2 dah tak bersih
> >
> > m wrote:
> > Petronas vs Shell, mana paling bagus? Errr paling best oil price below
> > RM1.50 seliter, ha ha hah! sorry melawak lak! Pada aku Shell best
> > la! Pickup dan penjimatan ada la sket,
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: wan <reduanhanif@ yahoo.com>
> > Date: 2009/6/2
> > Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> > To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > salam,
> >
> > aku pun ade jugak buat ujikaji petronas dgn shell nih.aku try kat moto aku
> > gak.dan aku dapati mmg petronas lagi pikap,power dan lebih
> > jimat.top speed pun lebih kepada petronas.shell bile gune enjin mmg kasar
> > dan pikap takde.enjin motor aku bunyi bising.dari segi
> > jimat.klu pegi balik keje setiap ari, aku leh dpt extra lebih sehari kalau
> > guna minyak petronas compare dgn shell. kesimpulannye,
> > petronas lebih pikap,power dan jimat dari shell.petronas mmg boleh pegi
> > lebih jauh...shell lebih kilometer je.jauh2 tak leh pegi.keke
> >
> > --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, idea_um idea_um07 <idea_um07@ .>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > aku ada bt skit ujikaji tentang perbezaan minyak petrons ngn shell, ak
> > dapat rasa bila aku isi minyak petronas ak bw motor tu rasa
> > lebih pikap dan rasa smooth je enjin nye xdela kasar, mean the performance
> > is very good jika dibandingkan bila aku isi minyak shell ,
> > aku rasa enjim motor rasa rough jer dan sangat kasar bunyi enjin motor tu.
> > ni experience aku la masa aku blaja dulu . ak xpuas ati gak
> > dan aku repeat ujian ni tp the result is still same. minatk ulsan member
> > sume.
> > >
> > >
> > > menurut member aku, ms kj dulu, die ckp minyak petronas klu dari segi
> > performance mmg bgs coz lebih pikap tp klu save minyak shell lbh
> > save.
> > > so, aku ada bt experiment mengenai perkara ni, tp sebelum tu ak bersetuju
> > la dgn die bahawa minyak petronas lbh pikat dan smooth coz
> > ak dapat rasai nye before this. yang mengenai save tu ak bt la skit kajian
> > dan result nye petronas lbh kilometer yan ak dapt tp the
> > result can be question la coz the parameter is not properly well. ak bt
> > dlam tiga replicate. mintak ulasan sume pihak demi kebaikan
> > bersama.
> > >
> > > nnti ak nk bli minyak ltk dlam botol plak, ak sampi skang still xpuas ati
> > coz ramai yang ckp minyak petrons skit je dapt.jika bnr nk
> > tukar minyak lain lak .
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> >
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4.4.: Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Posted by: "mohdmat" kedai_tayar@yahoo.com kedai_tayar

Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:34 am (PDT)

sekarang ni rasa2 nya fueltank ada antirust coating dlm fueltank.Â
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--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Mohmad Abdullah <mbabest@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Mohmad Abdullah <mbabest@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: "group krerta" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 9:52 PM

Ada orang kata kalau isi minyak tak penuh, bahagian yang kena wap air tu mudah karat, nanti tangki karat pulak .

Mungkin gilir -gilir ok kot, kejap penuh kejap tak , jadi lapisan minya selaput tak mudah karat .

Belum kaji lagi

To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
From: Ijam@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:26:15 +0800
Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

tok mode , id sorok..
Ijam je...

kalau nak pick up..kurang kan beban kereta..cth ...jgn isi minyak penuh...
sekali isi..letak rm 20~30 je...kurang skit beban keta...minyak consumption
pun kurang ....
kalau keta lama..service kena kerap...sebelum normal servicing... .
kalau gear manual...kena ler pandai main gear...baru pick up...
dlm town...jgn bawa laju..ikut had laju...kalau tak ...bazir minyak....
so conclusion.. .pakai je minyak petronas...atau shell..
pilih ler yg banyak ganjaran....
aku pakai petronas je...

rgds

mohdmat <kedai_tayar@ yahoo.com>@yahoogroups. com on 06/07/2009 05:32:35 PM

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To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
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Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

saja je nk menyampuk dah lama x tulis, rasa gatal tgn nk menaip.

I guess only (sorry aa), ni semua experiment ni hanya pada perasaan sahaja.
"..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap banyak..." asap apa yg byk ni brader. my opinion,
kalau asap byk maksudnya combustion process tu x efficient so directly related to torque produced (pickup). wondering mcm mana petronas yg asap
sikit bole takde pickup tapi shell yg asap byk bole bagi tinggi. pollutant yg keluar apa namanya, smog ka? smoke + fog. without complete fuel specs
from shell & petronas, susah nk buat judgement mana lebih baik. kat sini ada link yg discuss pasal isu tapi kat US. bole la amik sikit2 yg related.

http://www.stopbuyi ngcrap.com/ stop-buying- crap/brand- conscious- buying-3- gasoline/

klu nk terus kan discuss lagi berdasarkan pengalaman/experime nt sendiri bole teruskan utk menghangatkan group ni tapi valid ke tak tu x tau la . klu
technical byk sgt, boring gak.

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From: omar@yahoogroups. com <omar@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: "automobil@yahoogrou ps.com" <automobil@yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 3:28 AM

Salam. Tok Mod sorok ID yeeeÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦

Saya dah pakai Petronas dan skrg pengguna tetap Shell sejak berbelas tahun dahuluÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦

Bukan tak nak guna Petronas tapi performance kete tak memuaskan. Pikap lembap satu hal,tapi bila speeding jerking semacam je.

Lagipun guna Shell boleh kumpul model kete Ferrari he he he

From: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:automobil@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of awie533
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:36 PM
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

aku pun setuju sbb aku dah test pakai petronas langsung takda pickup dan juga berat gila...shell best!!!!!!!! !!
tak percaya kau org test sendiri tp kat unser aku perbezaan ketara sangat.mengapa eek??

From: Abdul Rahman bin Johari <arahman@newhoongfa t t.com.my>
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 11:48:27 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

ntahla, pada aku minyak petronas kalau pakai..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap
banyak...minyak petronas ni awal2 dulu je kata bersihla, mmg awal2 pakai bersih tapi lama2 dah tak bersih

m wrote:
Petronas vs Shell, mana paling bagus? Errr paling best oil price below RM1.50 seliter, ha ha hah! sorry melawak lak! Pada aku Shell best
la! Pickup dan penjimatan ada la sket,

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From: wan <reduanhanif@ yahoo.com>
Date: 2009/6/2
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com

salam,

aku pun ade jugak buat ujikaji petronas dgn shell nih.aku try kat moto aku gak.dan aku dapati mmg petronas lagi pikap,power dan lebih
jimat.top speed pun lebih kepada petronas.shell bile gune enjin mmg kasar dan pikap takde.enjin motor aku bunyi bising.dari segi
jimat.klu pegi balik keje setiap ari, aku leh dpt extra lebih sehari kalau guna minyak petronas compare dgn shell. kesimpulannye,
petronas lebih pikap,power dan jimat dari shell.petronas mmg boleh pegi lebih jauh...shell lebih kilometer je.jauh2 tak leh pegi.keke

--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, idea_um idea_um07 <idea_um07@. . .> wrote:
>
> aku ada bt skit ujikaji tentang perbezaan minyak petrons ngn shell, ak dapat rasa bila aku isi minyak petronas ak bw motor tu rasa
lebih pikap dan rasa smooth je enjin nye xdela kasar, mean the performance is very good jika dibandingkan bila aku isi minyak shell ,
aku rasa enjim motor rasa rough jer dan sangat kasar bunyi enjin motor tu. ni experience aku la masa aku blaja dulu . ak xpuas ati gak
dan aku repeat ujian ni tp the result is still same. minatk ulsan member sume.
>
>
> menurut member aku, ms kj dulu, die ckp minyak petronas klu dari segi performance mmg bgs coz lebih pikap tp klu save minyak shell lbh
save.
> so, aku ada bt experiment mengenai perkara ni, tp sebelum tu ak bersetuju la dgn die bahawa minyak petronas lbh pikat dan smooth coz
ak dapat rasai nye before this. yang mengenai save tu ak bt la skit kajian dan result nye petronas lbh kilometer yan ak dapt tp the
result can be question la coz the parameter is not properly well. ak bt dlam tiga replicate. mintak ulasan sume pihak demi kebaikan
bersama.
>
> nnti ak nk bli minyak ltk dlam botol plak, ak sampi skang still xpuas ati coz ramai yang ckp minyak petrons skit je dapt.jika bnr nk
tukar minyak lain lak .
>

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4.5.: Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Posted by: "suratin sapuan" sssuratin@yahoo.com sssuratin

Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:48 pm (PDT)

Dulu....sebelum saya menggunakan minyak shell saya adalah pelanggan tetap petronas.Saya selalunya isi full tank untuk perjalanan jauh.Apabila minyak hampir pada tanda amaran stesen minyak petronas tak jumpa, yang ada stesen minyak shell.Saya tiada pilihan isi sajalah.Apabila saya bawa kereta saya rasa ada sedikit pik up dan rasa lebih jimat sikit.Sejak pada hari itulah saya mula pakai shell.

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From: mohdmat <kedai_tayar@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 4:18 PM

sekarang ni rasa2 nya fueltank ada antirust coating dlm fueltank.Â
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--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Mohmad Abdullah <mbabest@hotmail. com> wrote:

From: Mohmad Abdullah <mbabest@hotmail. com>
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: "group krerta" <automobil@yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 9:52 PM

Ada orang kata kalau isi minyak tak penuh, bahagian yang kena wap air tu mudah karat, nanti tangki karat pulak .

Mungkin gilir -gilir ok kot, kejap penuh kejap tak , jadi lapisan minya selaput tak mudah karat .

Belum kaji lagi

To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
From: Ijam@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:26:15 +0800
Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

tok mode , id sorok..
Ijam je...

kalau nak pick up..kurang kan beban kereta..cth ...jgn isi minyak penuh...
sekali isi..letak rm 20~30 je...kurang skit beban keta...minyak consumption
pun kurang ....
kalau keta lama..service kena kerap...sebelum normal servicing... .
kalau gear manual...kena ler pandai main gear...baru pick up...
dlm town...jgn bawa laju..ikut had laju...kalau tak ...bazir minyak....
so conclusion.. .pakai je minyak petronas...atau shell..
pilih ler yg banyak ganjaran....
aku pakai petronas je...

rgds

mohdmat <kedai_tayar@ yahoo.com>@yahoogroups. com on 06/07/2009 05:32:35 PM

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saja je nk menyampuk dah lama x tulis, rasa gatal tgn nk menaip.

I guess only (sorry aa), ni semua experiment ni hanya pada perasaan sahaja.
"..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap banyak..." asap apa yg byk ni brader. my opinion,
kalau asap byk maksudnya combustion process tu x efficient so directly related to torque produced (pickup).
wondering mcm mana petronas yg asap
sikit bole takde pickup tapi shell yg asap byk bole bagi tinggi. pollutant yg keluar apa namanya, smog ka? smoke + fog. without complete fuel specs
from shell & petronas, susah nk buat judgement mana lebih baik. kat sini ada link yg discuss pasal isu tapi kat US. bole la amik sikit2 yg related.

http://www.stopbuyi ngcrap.com/ stop-buying- crap/brand- conscious- buying-3- gasoline/

klu nk terus kan discuss lagi berdasarkan pengalaman/experime nt sendiri bole teruskan utk menghangatkan group ni tapi valid ke tak tu x tau la . klu
technical byk sgt, boring gak.

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From: omar@yahoogroups. com <omar@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: "automobil@yahoogrou ps.com" <automobil@yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 3:28 AM

Salam. Tok Mod sorok ID yeeeÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦

Saya dah pakai Petronas dan skrg pengguna tetap Shell sejak berbelas tahun dahuluÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¦

Bukan tak nak guna Petronas tapi performance kete tak memuaskan. Pikap lembap satu hal,tapi bila speeding jerking semacam je.

Lagipun guna Shell boleh kumpul model kete Ferrari he he he

From: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:automobil@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of awie533
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:36 PM
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

aku pun setuju sbb aku dah test pakai petronas langsung takda pickup dan juga berat gila...shell best!!!!!!!! !!
tak percaya kau org test sendiri tp kat
unser aku perbezaan ketara sangat.mengapa eek??

From: Abdul Rahman bin Johari <arahman@newhoongfa t t.com.my>
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 11:48:27 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

ntahla, pada aku minyak petronas kalau pakai..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap
banyak...minyak petronas ni awal2 dulu je kata bersihla, mmg awal2 pakai bersih tapi lama2 dah tak bersih

m wrote:
Petronas vs Shell, mana paling bagus? Errr paling best oil price below RM1.50 seliter, ha ha hah! sorry melawak lak! Pada aku Shell best
la! Pickup dan penjimatan ada la sket,

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From: wan <reduanhanif@ yahoo.com>
Date: 2009/6/2
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To:
automobil@yahoogrou ps.com

salam,

aku pun ade jugak buat ujikaji petronas dgn shell nih.aku try kat moto aku gak.dan aku dapati mmg petronas lagi pikap,power dan lebih
jimat.top speed pun lebih kepada petronas.shell bile gune enjin mmg kasar dan pikap takde.enjin motor aku bunyi bising.dari segi
jimat.klu pegi balik keje setiap ari, aku leh dpt extra lebih sehari kalau guna minyak petronas compare dgn shell. kesimpulannye,
petronas lebih pikap,power dan jimat dari shell.petronas mmg boleh pegi lebih jauh...shell lebih kilometer je.jauh2 tak leh pegi.keke

--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, idea_um idea_um07 <idea_um07@. . .> wrote:
>
> aku ada bt skit ujikaji tentang perbezaan minyak petrons ngn shell, ak dapat rasa bila aku isi minyak petronas ak bw motor tu rasa
lebih pikap dan rasa smooth je enjin nye xdela kasar, mean the performance is very good jika dibandingkan bila
aku isi minyak shell ,
aku rasa enjim motor rasa rough jer dan sangat kasar bunyi enjin motor tu. ni experience aku la masa aku blaja dulu . ak xpuas ati gak
dan aku repeat ujian ni tp the result is still same. minatk ulsan member sume.
>
>
> menurut member aku, ms kj dulu, die ckp minyak petronas klu dari segi performance mmg bgs coz lebih pikap tp klu save minyak shell lbh
save.
> so, aku ada bt experiment mengenai perkara ni, tp sebelum tu ak bersetuju la dgn die bahawa minyak petronas lbh pikat dan smooth coz
ak dapat rasai nye before this. yang mengenai save tu ak bt la skit kajian dan result nye petronas lbh kilometer yan ak dapt tp the
result can be question la coz the parameter is not properly well. ak bt dlam tiga replicate. mintak ulasan sume pihak demi kebaikan
bersama.
>
> nnti ak nk bli minyak ltk dlam botol plak, ak sampi skang still xpuas ati coz ramai yang ckp minyak
petrons skit je dapt.jika bnr nk
tukar minyak lain lak .
>

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4.6.: Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Posted by: "Kamarul" b.kamarl@sem.sharp-world.com

Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:50 pm (PDT)

bang bashah,

pakar enjin buat enjin..pakar minyak buat minyak...
betul ke minyak brand toyota tu toyota yg buat..entah2 dia sub balik kat syarikat minyak..hehehe...
ni kena confirm dgn org mienyak(oilyman) sebab dia expert bab2 minyak :)

----- Original Message -----
From: bashah
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:38 PM
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

sorilah geng,,asik aku jer yg jawab hari ni...aku baru baik demam kot...

isi minyak petronas kena ada style..style dia isi penuh...bila isi penuh 'kemeruapan gas ' rendah. So minyak jimat kat situ...

kalau nak isi sikit2, lebih baik isi Shell..sebab kemeruapan dia rendah sikit dari Petronas..kalau korang tak caya, sepetkan mata...(kalau hidu memanglah Shell lebih wangi)...

kalau nak meruap tinggi pakailah V-Power....tapi bayor lebihlah.

walaupun keta aku keta antik 1989, aku isi penuh. Sebab tu aku pakai Petronas. Malas nak berhenti kat stesen. (Bila berhenti jer, anak aku kenakan aku tol gula2, air gas...etc..Bini aku letak tol dia jugak...asam masinla apala)...Aku pakai kredit kad -CIMB sekarang sebab ada diskaun Petronas.

kalau minyak HITAM pulak. Aku TAK rekemen dua2 Shell atau Petronas. Korang ambik BHP OIL EnGINE lagi baguZ. Susah aku buktikan atau cakap kat sini. Kalau brand lain, pakai Castrol. Tapi kalau korang nak lagi JIMAT, pi kedai Spare part beli minyak NISSAN ke, TOYOTA ke, INGAT TU mINYAK ENJIN...so beli minyak engine SYARiKAT KETA.

ADAKE SHELL CIPTA ENGINE, ka PETRONAS buat ENGINE ? Pikior baik2 YEop...

. ...aku beli Toyota 20w50 harga RM38 4 liter.
BHP RM56 hinggit 4liter..Gilor ke apor ko... punya mahai.

(Tapi kalau FELDA cipta engine kereta, aku kena pakai SRI MURNI lah..keke)

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>
> Salam,
>
> Saya baru sampai dari Kelantan ptg smlm.
>
> Masa sampai di Kuala Krai Kelantan, saya isi petrol Shell (masa tu dah
> warning) RM50. Pakai pusing merata2 siap gi Tok Bali.
>
> Masa nak balik KL smlm pam myk Shell habis stok. Terpaksa isi Petronas. Saya
> isi dlm RM20 dulu. Dari Pasir Puteh jln clear takde jam sampai Shell Kuala
> Krai (stesen hari tu). Saya rasa mcm kuat myk pulak dr P.Puteh-K.Krai habis
> RM20... (warning to warning)..
>
> Kawan saya ckp bukan sb myk shell jimat myk, tapi mrk lebihkan kuantiti.
> Saya tak pernah check lagi.
> Kalau ada sape2 yg ada kelapangan boleh lah buat perbandingan, isi masing2 1
> liter, tgk myk mana yg lebih banyak..
>
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> 2009/6/11 Abdul Rahman bin Johari <arahman@...>
>
> >
> >
> > nak pick-up jugak, aku cadangkan pakai jerla surbo tu. korang nak letak
> > single surbo ke twin surbo ke tak kisah, mmg terasa pick-up nya. isila
> > minyak shell ke, minyak petronas ke, BHP ke...aku jamin mmg ada pick-up,
> > sebab aku dah test pasang kt kete aku minggu lepas. pinjam member punya
> > dulu, nak rasa betul ke ada improvement. malam esok iallah balik kampung aku
> > nak test pick-up kete aku tu naik bukit sikit punya baik janda tu. kete aku
> > auto, kalau dapat cucuk angin wira ekzos besar tu dah kira ok la tu. nak
> > kejar singa 806 cik mie rasanya tercicir jauh dah... aku test minyak shell
> > ngan petronas tu kat motor KIPS aku, tu yang tau asap banyak ke tak banyak.
> > reason kenapa ada asap tu tak tatau la pulak, mungin betul pembakaran tak
> > lengkap tp mungkin juga sebab additive dalam minyak tu. ni minyak petrol,
> > kalau minyak hitam plak sape lagi best? petronas synthium ke shell helix? ha
> > jawab jgn tak jawab.....
> >
> > Mohmad Abdullah wrote:
> >
> > Ada orang kata kalau isi minyak tak penuh, bahagian yang kena wap air tu
> > mudah karat, nanti tangki karat pulak .
> >
> > Mungkin gilir -gilir ok kot, kejap penuh kejap tak , jadi lapisan minya
> > selaput tak mudah karat .
> >
> > Belum kaji lagi
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> > From: Ijam@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:26:15 +0800
> > Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> >
> >
> >
> > tok mode , id sorok..
> > Ijam je...
> >
> > kalau nak pick up..kurang kan beban kereta..cth ...jgn isi minyak penuh...
> > sekali isi..letak rm 20~30 je...kurang skit beban keta...minyak consumption
> > pun kurang ....
> > kalau keta lama..service kena kerap...sebelum normal servicing....
> > kalau gear manual...kena ler pandai main gear...baru pick up...
> > dlm town...jgn bawa laju..ikut had laju...kalau tak ...bazir minyak....
> > so conclusion...pakai je minyak petronas...atau shell..
> > pilih ler yg banyak ganjaran....
> > aku pakai petronas je...
> >
> > rgds
> >
> > mohdmat <kedai_tayar@...>@yahoogroups.com on 06/07/2009 05:32:35 PM
> >
> > Please respond to automobil@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> > cc:
> > Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> >
> > saja je nk menyampuk dah lama x tulis, rasa gatal tgn nk menaip.
> >
> >
> > I guess only (sorry aa), ni semua experiment ni hanya pada perasaan sahaja.
> >
> > "..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell,
> > pickup mmg pickup tp asap banyak..." asap apa yg byk ni brader. my opinion,
> > kalau asap byk maksudnya combustion process tu x efficient so directly
> > related to torque produced (pickup). wondering mcm mana petronas yg asap
> > sikit bole takde pickup tapi shell yg asap byk bole bagi tinggi. pollutant
> > yg keluar apa namanya, smog ka? smoke + fog. without complete fuel specs
> > from shell & petronas, susah nk buat judgement mana lebih baik. kat sini
> > ada link yg discuss pasal isu tapi kat US. bole la amik sikit2 yg related.
> >
> >
> > http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/stop-buying-crap/brand-conscious-buying-3-gasoline/
> >
> > klu nk terus kan discuss lagi berdasarkan pengalaman/experiment sendiri
> > bole teruskan utk menghangatkan group ni tapi valid ke tak tu x tau la . klu
> >
> > technical byk sgt, boring gak.
> >
> > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, omar@yahoogroups.com <omar@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: omar@yahoogroups.com <omar@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> > To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 3:28 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Salam. Tok Mod sorok ID yeeeâ?¦
> >
> >
> > Saya dah pakai Petronas dan skrg pengguna tetap Shell sejak berbelas tahun
> > dahuluâ?¦
> >
> >
> > Bukan tak nak guna Petronas tapi performance kete tak memuaskan. Pikap
> > lembap satu hal,tapi bila speeding jerking semacam je.
> >
> >
> > Lagipun guna Shell boleh kumpul model kete Ferrari he he he
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:automobil@ <automobil@>yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of awie533
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:36 PM
> > To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > aku pun setuju sbb aku dah test pakai petronas langsung takda pickup dan
> > juga berat gila...shell best!!!!!!!! !!
> > tak percaya kau org test sendiri tp kat unser aku perbezaan ketara
> > sangat.mengapa eek??
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Abdul Rahman bin Johari <arahman@newhoongfat t.com.my>
> > To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 11:48:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> >
> >
> > ntahla, pada aku minyak petronas kalau pakai..pickup takde, berat tapi asap
> > sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap
> > banyak...minyak petronas ni awal2 dulu je kata bersihla, mmg awal2 pakai
> > bersih tapi lama2 dah tak bersih
> >
> > m wrote:
> > Petronas vs Shell, mana paling bagus? Errr paling best oil price below
> > RM1.50 seliter, ha ha hah! sorry melawak lak! Pada aku Shell best
> > la! Pickup dan penjimatan ada la sket,
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: wan <reduanhanif@ yahoo.com>
> > Date: 2009/6/2
> > Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> > To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > salam,
> >
> > aku pun ade jugak buat ujikaji petronas dgn shell nih.aku try kat moto aku
> > gak.dan aku dapati mmg petronas lagi pikap,power dan lebih
> > jimat.top speed pun lebih kepada petronas.shell bile gune enjin mmg kasar
> > dan pikap takde.enjin motor aku bunyi bising.dari segi
> > jimat.klu pegi balik keje setiap ari, aku leh dpt extra lebih sehari kalau
> > guna minyak petronas compare dgn shell. kesimpulannye,
> > petronas lebih pikap,power dan jimat dari shell.petronas mmg boleh pegi
> > lebih jauh...shell lebih kilometer je.jauh2 tak leh pegi.keke
> >
> > --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, idea_um idea_um07 <idea_um07@ .>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > aku ada bt skit ujikaji tentang perbezaan minyak petrons ngn shell, ak
> > dapat rasa bila aku isi minyak petronas ak bw motor tu rasa
> > lebih pikap dan rasa smooth je enjin nye xdela kasar, mean the performance
> > is very good jika dibandingkan bila aku isi minyak shell ,
> > aku rasa enjim motor rasa rough jer dan sangat kasar bunyi enjin motor tu.
> > ni experience aku la masa aku blaja dulu . ak xpuas ati gak
> > dan aku repeat ujian ni tp the result is still same. minatk ulsan member
> > sume.
> > >
> > >
> > > menurut member aku, ms kj dulu, die ckp minyak petronas klu dari segi
> > performance mmg bgs coz lebih pikap tp klu save minyak shell lbh
> > save.
> > > so, aku ada bt experiment mengenai perkara ni, tp sebelum tu ak bersetuju
> > la dgn die bahawa minyak petronas lbh pikat dan smooth coz
> > ak dapat rasai nye before this. yang mengenai save tu ak bt la skit kajian
> > dan result nye petronas lbh kilometer yan ak dapt tp the
> > result can be question la coz the parameter is not properly well. ak bt
> > dlam tiga replicate. mintak ulasan sume pihak demi kebaikan
> > bersama.
> > >
> > > nnti ak nk bli minyak ltk dlam botol plak, ak sampi skang still xpuas ati
> > coz ramai yang ckp minyak petrons skit je dapt.jika bnr nk
> > tukar minyak lain lak .
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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4.7.: Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Posted by: "bashah" bwasi@yahoo.com bwasi

Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:27 pm (PDT)

Bro punyer reasoning memang bagus, I like...

Aku pun rasa bukan toyota buat HEHE..., sebab Toyota TAU yg dia memang tak TEREr bab minyak ni..so dia mesti sub-con kat org lain...

tapi yg paling penting..minyak tu mesti ikut SPEC TOYOTA...bukan setakat tulis "tested and conformed to BMW test RN36, Renault test EC89LW bla bla...kalu letak minyak SRI MURNI pun...memanglah BMW tu boleh lari 100km/h...

kalu bro tengok tong depan dia siap tulis lagi " DESIGNED BY TOYOTA FOR TOYOTA ENGINES"... dia tak tulis ""MADE"" BY TOYOTA. BAGUZ org macam ni: TAK BUAT, SO TAK NGAKU BUAT.

Dia tak buat mcm syarikat2 yg lain tu..ngaku BOLEH. Semua Boleh. Malaysia Boleh. TAK BOLEH PUN KATA BOLEH. Mana boleh ini macammm macha...

contoh LAIN 1..

Nokia. Memang lah Nokia made in CHINA, tapi SPEC dia ikut NOKIA FINLAND

CONTOH LAIN 2...

Apple Mac book. Made in china.. Baik punyer tulis di belakang. tapi dia tulis lagi besar " SPEC & DESIGNED BY APPLE CALIFORNIA"

Conclusion:
Zaman sekarang, kaddang2 yg penting bukan lagi 'MADE', tapi 'DESIGNED/SPECIFICATION'.

--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, "Kamarul" <b.kamarl@...> wrote:
>
> bang bashah,
>
> pakar enjin buat enjin..pakar minyak buat minyak...
> betul ke minyak brand toyota tu toyota yg buat..entah2 dia sub balik kat syarikat minyak..hehehe...
> ni kena confirm dgn org mienyak(oilyman) sebab dia expert bab2 minyak :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bashah
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:38 PM
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
>
>
>
>
>
> sorilah geng,,asik aku jer yg jawab hari ni...aku baru baik demam kot...
>
> isi minyak petronas kena ada style..style dia isi penuh...bila isi penuh 'kemeruapan gas ' rendah. So minyak jimat kat situ...
>
> kalau nak isi sikit2, lebih baik isi Shell..sebab kemeruapan dia rendah sikit dari Petronas..kalau korang tak caya, sepetkan mata...(kalau hidu memanglah Shell lebih wangi)...
>
> kalau nak meruap tinggi pakailah V-Power....tapi bayor lebihlah.
>
> walaupun keta aku keta antik 1989, aku isi penuh. Sebab tu aku pakai Petronas. Malas nak berhenti kat stesen. (Bila berhenti jer, anak aku kenakan aku tol gula2, air gas...etc..Bini aku letak tol dia jugak...asam masinla apala)...Aku pakai kredit kad -CIMB sekarang sebab ada diskaun Petronas.
>
> kalau minyak HITAM pulak. Aku TAK rekemen dua2 Shell atau Petronas. Korang ambik BHP OIL EnGINE lagi baguZ. Susah aku buktikan atau cakap kat sini. Kalau brand lain, pakai Castrol. Tapi kalau korang nak lagi JIMAT, pi kedai Spare part beli minyak NISSAN ke, TOYOTA ke, INGAT TU mINYAK ENJIN...so beli minyak engine SYARiKAT KETA.
>
> ADAKE SHELL CIPTA ENGINE, ka PETRONAS buat ENGINE ? Pikior baik2 YEop...
>
> . ...aku beli Toyota 20w50 harga RM38 4 liter.
> BHP RM56 hinggit 4liter..Gilor ke apor ko... punya mahai.
>
> (Tapi kalau FELDA cipta engine kereta, aku kena pakai SRI MURNI lah..keke)
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, Azmi OilyMan <mr.oilyman@> wrote:
> >
> > Salam,
> >
> > Saya baru sampai dari Kelantan ptg smlm.
> >
> > Masa sampai di Kuala Krai Kelantan, saya isi petrol Shell (masa tu dah
> > warning) RM50. Pakai pusing merata2 siap gi Tok Bali.
> >
> > Masa nak balik KL smlm pam myk Shell habis stok. Terpaksa isi Petronas. Saya
> > isi dlm RM20 dulu. Dari Pasir Puteh jln clear takde jam sampai Shell Kuala
> > Krai (stesen hari tu). Saya rasa mcm kuat myk pulak dr P.Puteh-K.Krai habis
> > RM20... (warning to warning)..
> >
> > Kawan saya ckp bukan sb myk shell jimat myk, tapi mrk lebihkan kuantiti.
> > Saya tak pernah check lagi.
> > Kalau ada sape2 yg ada kelapangan boleh lah buat perbandingan, isi masing2 1
> > liter, tgk myk mana yg lebih banyak..
> >
> > ------
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> > 2009/6/11 Abdul Rahman bin Johari <arahman@>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > nak pick-up jugak, aku cadangkan pakai jerla surbo tu. korang nak letak
> > > single surbo ke twin surbo ke tak kisah, mmg terasa pick-up nya. isila
> > > minyak shell ke, minyak petronas ke, BHP ke...aku jamin mmg ada pick-up,
> > > sebab aku dah test pasang kt kete aku minggu lepas. pinjam member punya
> > > dulu, nak rasa betul ke ada improvement. malam esok iallah balik kampung aku
> > > nak test pick-up kete aku tu naik bukit sikit punya baik janda tu. kete aku
> > > auto, kalau dapat cucuk angin wira ekzos besar tu dah kira ok la tu. nak
> > > kejar singa 806 cik mie rasanya tercicir jauh dah... aku test minyak shell
> > > ngan petronas tu kat motor KIPS aku, tu yang tau asap banyak ke tak banyak.
> > > reason kenapa ada asap tu tak tatau la pulak, mungin betul pembakaran tak
> > > lengkap tp mungkin juga sebab additive dalam minyak tu. ni minyak petrol,
> > > kalau minyak hitam plak sape lagi best? petronas synthium ke shell helix? ha
> > > jawab jgn tak jawab.....
> > >
> > > Mohmad Abdullah wrote:
> > >
> > > Ada orang kata kalau isi minyak tak penuh, bahagian yang kena wap air tu
> > > mudah karat, nanti tangki karat pulak .
> > >
> > > Mungkin gilir -gilir ok kot, kejap penuh kejap tak , jadi lapisan minya
> > > selaput tak mudah karat .
> > >
> > > Belum kaji lagi
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: Ijam@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:26:15 +0800
> > > Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > tok mode , id sorok..
> > > Ijam je...
> > >
> > > kalau nak pick up..kurang kan beban kereta..cth ...jgn isi minyak penuh...
> > > sekali isi..letak rm 20~30 je...kurang skit beban keta...minyak consumption
> > > pun kurang ....
> > > kalau keta lama..service kena kerap...sebelum normal servicing....
> > > kalau gear manual...kena ler pandai main gear...baru pick up...
> > > dlm town...jgn bawa laju..ikut had laju...kalau tak ...bazir minyak....
> > > so conclusion...pakai je minyak petronas...atau shell..
> > > pilih ler yg banyak ganjaran....
> > > aku pakai petronas je...
> > >
> > > rgds
> > >
> > > mohdmat <kedai_tayar@>@yahoogroups.com on 06/07/2009 05:32:35 PM
> > >
> > > Please respond to automobil@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> > > cc:
> > > Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> > >
> > > saja je nk menyampuk dah lama x tulis, rasa gatal tgn nk menaip.
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess only (sorry aa), ni semua experiment ni hanya pada perasaan sahaja.
> > >
> > > "..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell,
> > > pickup mmg pickup tp asap banyak..." asap apa yg byk ni brader. my opinion,
> > > kalau asap byk maksudnya combustion process tu x efficient so directly
> > > related to torque produced (pickup). wondering mcm mana petronas yg asap
> > > sikit bole takde pickup tapi shell yg asap byk bole bagi tinggi. pollutant
> > > yg keluar apa namanya, smog ka? smoke + fog. without complete fuel specs
> > > from shell & petronas, susah nk buat judgement mana lebih baik. kat sini
> > > ada link yg discuss pasal isu tapi kat US. bole la amik sikit2 yg related.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/stop-buying-crap/brand-conscious-buying-3-gasoline/
> > >
> > > klu nk terus kan discuss lagi berdasarkan pengalaman/experiment sendiri
> > > bole teruskan utk menghangatkan group ni tapi valid ke tak tu x tau la . klu
> > >
> > > technical byk sgt, boring gak.
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, omar@yahoogroups.com <omar@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: omar@yahoogroups.com <omar@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> > > To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 3:28 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Salam. Tok Mod sorok ID yeeeâ?¦
> > >
> > >
> > > Saya dah pakai Petronas dan skrg pengguna tetap Shell sejak berbelas tahun
> > > dahuluâ?¦
> > >
> > >
> > > Bukan tak nak guna Petronas tapi performance kete tak memuaskan. Pikap
> > > lembap satu hal,tapi bila speeding jerking semacam je.
> > >
> > >
> > > Lagipun guna Shell boleh kumpul model kete Ferrari he he he
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:automobil@ <automobil@>yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of awie533
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:36 PM
> > > To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > aku pun setuju sbb aku dah test pakai petronas langsung takda pickup dan
> > > juga berat gila...shell best!!!!!!!! !!
> > > tak percaya kau org test sendiri tp kat unser aku perbezaan ketara
> > > sangat.mengapa eek??
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Abdul Rahman bin Johari <arahman@newhoongfat t.com.my>
> > > To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> > > Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 11:48:27 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> > >
> > >
> > > ntahla, pada aku minyak petronas kalau pakai..pickup takde, berat tapi asap
> > > sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap
> > > banyak...minyak petronas ni awal2 dulu je kata bersihla, mmg awal2 pakai
> > > bersih tapi lama2 dah tak bersih
> > >
> > > m wrote:
> > > Petronas vs Shell, mana paling bagus? Errr paling best oil price below
> > > RM1.50 seliter, ha ha hah! sorry melawak lak! Pada aku Shell best
> > > la! Pickup dan penjimatan ada la sket,
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: wan <reduanhanif@ yahoo.com>
> > > Date: 2009/6/2
> > > Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> > > To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > salam,
> > >
> > > aku pun ade jugak buat ujikaji petronas dgn shell nih.aku try kat moto aku
> > > gak.dan aku dapati mmg petronas lagi pikap,power dan lebih
> > > jimat.top speed pun lebih kepada petronas.shell bile gune enjin mmg kasar
> > > dan pikap takde.enjin motor aku bunyi bising.dari segi
> > > jimat.klu pegi balik keje setiap ari, aku leh dpt extra lebih sehari kalau
> > > guna minyak petronas compare dgn shell. kesimpulannye,
> > > petronas lebih pikap,power dan jimat dari shell.petronas mmg boleh pegi
> > > lebih jauh...shell lebih kilometer je.jauh2 tak leh pegi.keke
> > >
> > > --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, idea_um idea_um07 <idea_um07@ .>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > aku ada bt skit ujikaji tentang perbezaan minyak petrons ngn shell, ak
> > > dapat rasa bila aku isi minyak petronas ak bw motor tu rasa
> > > lebih pikap dan rasa smooth je enjin nye xdela kasar, mean the performance
> > > is very good jika dibandingkan bila aku isi minyak shell ,
> > > aku rasa enjim motor rasa rough jer dan sangat kasar bunyi enjin motor tu.
> > > ni experience aku la masa aku blaja dulu . ak xpuas ati gak
> > > dan aku repeat ujian ni tp the result is still same. minatk ulsan member
> > > sume.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > menurut member aku, ms kj dulu, die ckp minyak petronas klu dari segi
> > > performance mmg bgs coz lebih pikap tp klu save minyak shell lbh
> > > save.
> > > > so, aku ada bt experiment mengenai perkara ni, tp sebelum tu ak bersetuju
> > > la dgn die bahawa minyak petronas lbh pikat dan smooth coz
> > > ak dapat rasai nye before this. yang mengenai save tu ak bt la skit kajian
> > > dan result nye petronas lbh kilometer yan ak dapt tp the
> > > result can be question la coz the parameter is not properly well. ak bt
> > > dlam tiga replicate. mintak ulasan sume pihak demi kebaikan
> > > bersama.
> > > >
> > > > nnti ak nk bli minyak ltk dlam botol plak, ak sampi skang still xpuas ati
> > > coz ramai yang ckp minyak petrons skit je dapt.jika bnr nk
> > > tukar minyak lain lak .
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5a.: CD Player Cap Toyota Rosak

Posted by: "agai@017" agai_disini@yahoo.com.my

Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:50 pm (PDT)

Salam semua

Nak tanya pendapat pada sesiapa yang ada pakai Toyota avanza atau pun sesiapa wakil pusat servis toyota kat dalam ni....

Cd player keta avanza yang berjenama toyota dalam keta sy tu baru2 ni anak kecik saya gi sumbat duit syiling kat dlm tmpt cd tu. Memula masuk duit, bunyi dia jadi mcm terkejut2 pun ada...mcm meletup2 kejap pun ada. Buat dek je sebab malas nak gi Toyota, dah la jauh, lmbat lak tu.
Makin lama jadi makin teruk, setiap cd yg sy masuk semua jadi calar...mungkin sebab bergesel ngan duit syiling dalam tu. Yang terbaru, masa wife bawak (sy takde masa tu), dia kata tetiba bau hangit...lepas tu bunyi mcm halus2 je n terus takde bunyi. Masa tu, nombor jam atau siaran radio apa yg kita dengar ada lagi.
Bila sampai rumah, sy ketuk2 kat panel yang ada suis aircond tu...kuat2, terus nombor hilang. Bunyi kompom lah dah takde. Hati sudah panas, bawak gi kedai accesori, dorang bukak panel tu, kuarkan player, bukak seal "warranty void if broken" tu, bukak penutup atas dia...berlambak duit syiling kuar. Kira2 ada dalam RM1.40 dalam tu. Dah kuar duit tu, cina tu pasang balik, dia cek wiring power supply cume ok. Tp masih takde bunyi n nombor semua termasuk jam tetap takde walaupun lampu tmpt kuar nombor jam tu menyala. Cina tu ckp, "bang, ini dalam sudah bakar bang, kasi tukar baru la". Saya ckp taknak, nak bawak gi toyota dulu, kot dorang leh ejas bagi elok balik. So skang ni bila bawak keta memang takde radio, cuma mainkan lagu dalam hp je ekekekeke....

Soalan sy, klu anta toyota boleh ke dorang repair benda2 camni? Mungkin ic dan terbakar tu. Klu boleh sy bawak la, klu tak boleh baik sy tukao baru je terus. Bukan apa, sayang la nak tuka....walaupun cap toyota, tp bunyi bole tahan. Reception pun ok, balik kampung kat lipis pun leh dapat lagi Mix FM. Klu tukar benda lain expecially sony, mintak mahap je la...dengar cd je la jawab nya.

Sesapa ada pengetahun dalam hal ni, mungkin leh bantu sy yg malang ni...

Tq

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5b.: Re: CD Player Cap Toyota Rosak

Posted by: "shaiful rizzam" yeoppie@gmail.com

Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:34 am (PDT)

tapi seal ""warranty void if broken" tu dah bukak....susah la nak claim
balik...
saya nyer prob CD tak leh nak main.....keta avanza gaks...tahun 2006...
hantar claim warranty...tunggu sampai 1 bulan baru dpt balik...mmmm
lepas tu...saya belum test lagi CD tu..sebab saya dah pasang radio baru kat
keta..ehehehe...
tp kalu tengok kan brand sebenar radio tu....brand Fujitsu...ekeke...

2009/6/11 agai@017 <agai_disini@yahoo.com.my>

>
>
> Salam semua
>
> Nak tanya pendapat pada sesiapa yang ada pakai Toyota avanza atau pun
> sesiapa wakil pusat servis toyota kat dalam ni....
>
> Cd player keta avanza yang berjenama toyota dalam keta sy tu baru2 ni anak
> kecik saya gi sumbat duit syiling kat dlm tmpt cd tu. Memula masuk duit,
> bunyi dia jadi mcm terkejut2 pun ada...mcm meletup2 kejap pun ada. Buat dek
> je sebab malas nak gi Toyota, dah la jauh, lmbat lak tu.
> Makin lama jadi makin teruk, setiap cd yg sy masuk semua jadi
> calar...mungkin sebab bergesel ngan duit syiling dalam tu. Yang terbaru,
> masa wife bawak (sy takde masa tu), dia kata tetiba bau hangit...lepas tu
> bunyi mcm halus2 je n terus takde bunyi. Masa tu, nombor jam atau siaran
> radio apa yg kita dengar ada lagi.
> Bila sampai rumah, sy ketuk2 kat panel yang ada suis aircond tu...kuat2,
> terus nombor hilang. Bunyi kompom lah dah takde. Hati sudah panas, bawak gi
> kedai accesori, dorang bukak panel tu, kuarkan player, bukak seal "warranty
> void if broken" tu, bukak penutup atas dia...berlambak duit syiling kuar.
> Kira2 ada dalam RM1.40 dalam tu. Dah kuar duit tu, cina tu pasang balik, dia
> cek wiring power supply cume ok. Tp masih takde bunyi n nombor semua
> termasuk jam tetap takde walaupun lampu tmpt kuar nombor jam tu menyala.
> Cina tu ckp, "bang, ini dalam sudah bakar bang, kasi tukar baru la". Saya
> ckp taknak, nak bawak gi toyota dulu, kot dorang leh ejas bagi elok balik.
> So skang ni bila bawak keta memang takde radio, cuma mainkan lagu dalam hp
> je ekekekeke....
>
> Soalan sy, klu anta toyota boleh ke dorang repair benda2 camni? Mungkin ic
> dan terbakar tu. Klu boleh sy bawak la, klu tak boleh baik sy tukao baru je
> terus. Bukan apa, sayang la nak tuka....walaupun cap toyota, tp bunyi bole
> tahan. Reception pun ok, balik kampung kat lipis pun leh dapat lagi Mix FM.
> Klu tukar benda lain expecially sony, mintak mahap je la...dengar cd je la
> jawab nya.
>
> Sesapa ada pengetahun dalam hal ni, mungkin leh bantu sy yg malang ni...
>
> Tq
>
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5c.: Re: CD Player Cap Toyota Rosak

Posted by: "bashah" bwasi@yahoo.com bwasi

Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:34 am (PDT)

cadangan hamba:

1) beli baru jer...brand Eclipse.
2) (kalau) beli yg original baru TOYOTA, kena katuk lagi...
3) beli kat KEDAI POTONG seken.

tapi utk makluman bro, worldwide semua keta Toyota ORI radio made by ECLIPSE. bukan Sony, bukan Kenwood. Toyota MALAYSIA aku tak sure. Kalau Samy Vellu kata lain, aku tak taulah.

Eclipse ni brand Fujitsu TEN. Best of the best car audio player. Reception radio dia clear giler, tapi banyak org tak tau. Yg banyak2 org tau brand Alpine, Sony, Kenwood, Pioneer, Clarion, Proton dan Perodua.

http://www.eclipse-web.com/eu/en/download/index.html

--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, "agai@..." <agai_disini@...> wrote:
>
> Salam semua
>
> Nak tanya pendapat pada sesiapa yang ada pakai Toyota avanza atau pun sesiapa wakil pusat servis toyota kat dalam ni....
>
> Cd player keta avanza yang berjenama toyota dalam keta sy tu baru2 ni anak kecik saya gi sumbat duit syiling kat dlm tmpt cd tu. Memula masuk duit, bunyi dia jadi mcm terkejut2 pun ada...mcm meletup2 kejap pun ada. Buat dek je sebab malas nak gi Toyota, dah la jauh, lmbat lak tu.
> Makin lama jadi makin teruk, setiap cd yg sy masuk semua jadi calar...mungkin sebab bergesel ngan duit syiling dalam tu. Yang terbaru, masa wife bawak (sy takde masa tu), dia kata tetiba bau hangit...lepas tu bunyi mcm halus2 je n terus takde bunyi. Masa tu, nombor jam atau siaran radio apa yg kita dengar ada lagi.
> Bila sampai rumah, sy ketuk2 kat panel yang ada suis aircond tu...kuat2, terus nombor hilang. Bunyi kompom lah dah takde. Hati sudah panas, bawak gi kedai accesori, dorang bukak panel tu, kuarkan player, bukak seal "warranty void if broken" tu, bukak penutup atas dia...berlambak duit syiling kuar. Kira2 ada dalam RM1.40 dalam tu. Dah kuar duit tu, cina tu pasang balik, dia cek wiring power supply cume ok. Tp masih takde bunyi n nombor semua termasuk jam tetap takde walaupun lampu tmpt kuar nombor jam tu menyala. Cina tu ckp, "bang, ini dalam sudah bakar bang, kasi tukar baru la". Saya ckp taknak, nak bawak gi toyota dulu, kot dorang leh ejas bagi elok balik. So skang ni bila bawak keta memang takde radio, cuma mainkan lagu dalam hp je ekekekeke....
>
> Soalan sy, klu anta toyota boleh ke dorang repair benda2 camni? Mungkin ic dan terbakar tu. Klu boleh sy bawak la, klu tak boleh baik sy tukao baru je terus. Bukan apa, sayang la nak tuka....walaupun cap toyota, tp bunyi bole tahan. Reception pun ok, balik kampung kat lipis pun leh dapat lagi Mix FM. Klu tukar benda lain expecially sony, mintak mahap je la...dengar cd je la jawab nya.
>
> Sesapa ada pengetahun dalam hal ni, mungkin leh bantu sy yg malang ni...
>
> Tq
>
>
> Berhubung dengan pantas dengan lebih ramai rakan di blog dan tapak web peribadi anda? Buat Pingbox terkini anda hari ini! http://my.messenger.yahoo.com/pingbox/
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5d.: Re: CD Player Cap Toyota Rosak

Posted by: "agai@017" agai_disini@yahoo.com.my

Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:59 am (PDT)

bro
mana nak carik brand tu?
mcm tak pernah nampak je

sy dah tau....warranty dah takde sebab seal tu dah bukak
cuma nak pastikan masalah ni boleh direpair ke tak
klu boleh repair....bayar sikit n tunggu sebulan pun takpe

betul la...
bila tgk balik brand fujitsu
ingatkan clarion

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Kepada: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Dihantar: Khamis, 11 Jun, 2009 4:57:10
Subjek: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: CD Player Cap Toyota Rosak

cadangan hamba:

1) beli baru jer...brand Eclipse.
2) (kalau) beli yg original baru TOYOTA, kena katuk lagi...
3) beli kat KEDAI POTONG seken.

tapi utk makluman bro, worldwide semua keta Toyota ORI radio made by ECLIPSE. bukan Sony, bukan Kenwood. Toyota MALAYSIA aku tak sure. Kalau Samy Vellu kata lain, aku tak taulah.

Eclipse ni brand Fujitsu TEN. Best of the best car audio player. Reception radio dia clear giler, tapi banyak org tak tau. Yg banyak2 org tau brand Alpine, Sony, Kenwood, Pioneer, Clarion, Proton dan Perodua.

http://www.eclipse- web.com/eu/ en/download/ index.html

--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, "agai@..." <agai_disini@ ...> wrote:
>
> Salam semua
>
> Nak tanya pendapat pada sesiapa yang ada pakai Toyota avanza atau pun sesiapa wakil pusat servis toyota kat dalam ni....
>
> Cd player keta avanza yang berjenama toyota dalam keta sy tu baru2 ni anak kecik saya gi sumbat duit syiling kat dlm tmpt cd tu. Memula masuk duit, bunyi dia jadi mcm terkejut2 pun ada...mcm meletup2 kejap pun ada. Buat dek je sebab malas nak gi Toyota, dah la jauh, lmbat lak tu.
> Makin lama jadi makin teruk, setiap cd yg sy masuk semua jadi calar...mungkin sebab bergesel ngan duit syiling dalam tu. Yang terbaru, masa wife bawak (sy takde masa tu), dia kata tetiba bau hangit...lepas tu bunyi mcm halus2 je n terus takde bunyi. Masa tu, nombor jam atau siaran radio apa yg kita dengar ada lagi.
> Bila sampai rumah, sy ketuk2 kat panel yang ada suis aircond tu...kuat2, terus nombor hilang. Bunyi kompom lah dah takde. Hati sudah panas, bawak gi kedai accesori, dorang bukak panel tu, kuarkan player, bukak seal "warranty void if broken" tu, bukak penutup atas dia...berlambak duit syiling kuar. Kira2 ada dalam RM1.40 dalam tu. Dah kuar duit tu, cina tu pasang balik, dia cek wiring power supply cume ok. Tp masih takde bunyi n nombor semua termasuk jam tetap takde walaupun lampu tmpt kuar nombor jam tu menyala. Cina tu ckp, "bang, ini dalam sudah bakar bang, kasi tukar baru la". Saya ckp taknak, nak bawak gi toyota dulu, kot dorang leh ejas bagi elok balik. So skang ni bila bawak keta memang takde radio, cuma mainkan lagu dalam hp je ekekekeke... .
>
> Soalan sy, klu anta toyota boleh ke dorang repair benda2 camni? Mungkin ic dan terbakar tu. Klu boleh sy bawak la, klu tak boleh baik sy tukao baru je terus. Bukan apa, sayang la nak tuka....walaupun cap toyota, tp bunyi bole tahan. Reception pun ok, balik kampung kat lipis pun leh dapat lagi Mix FM. Klu tukar benda lain expecially sony, mintak mahap je la...dengar cd je la jawab nya.
>
> Sesapa ada pengetahun dalam hal ni, mungkin leh bantu sy yg malang ni...
>
> Tq
>
>
> Berhubung dengan pantas dengan lebih ramai rakan di blog dan tapak web peribadi anda? Buat Pingbox terkini anda hari ini! http://my.messenger .yahoo.com/ pingbox/
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5e.: Re: CD Player Cap Toyota Rosak

Posted by: "bashah" bwasi@yahoo.com bwasi

Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:57 pm (PDT)

biasanya 'kedai car audio yg besar sikit' . Kedai accessories biasa takde brand ni.

call kompeni ni..dia pengedar Eclipse.
Nak TRY tanya warranti pun boleh...good luck.

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--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, "agai@..." <agai_disini@...> wrote:
>
> bro
> mana nak carik brand tu?
> mcm tak pernah nampak je
>
> sy dah tau....warranty dah takde sebab seal tu dah bukak
> cuma nak pastikan masalah ni boleh direpair ke tak
> klu boleh repair....bayar sikit n tunggu sebulan pun takpe
>
> betul la...
> bila tgk balik brand fujitsu
> ingatkan clarion
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Daripada: bashah <bwasi@...>
> Kepada: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Dihantar: Khamis, 11 Jun, 2009 4:57:10
> Subjek: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: CD Player Cap Toyota Rosak
>
>
>
>
>
> cadangan hamba:
>
> 1) beli baru jer...brand Eclipse.
> 2) (kalau) beli yg original baru TOYOTA, kena katuk lagi...
> 3) beli kat KEDAI POTONG seken.
>
> tapi utk makluman bro, worldwide semua keta Toyota ORI radio made by ECLIPSE. bukan Sony, bukan Kenwood. Toyota MALAYSIA aku tak sure. Kalau Samy Vellu kata lain, aku tak taulah.
>
> Eclipse ni brand Fujitsu TEN. Best of the best car audio player. Reception radio dia clear giler, tapi banyak org tak tau. Yg banyak2 org tau brand Alpine, Sony, Kenwood, Pioneer, Clarion, Proton dan Perodua.
>
> http://www.eclipse- web.com/eu/ en/download/ index.html
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, "agai@" <agai_disini@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Salam semua
> >
> > Nak tanya pendapat pada sesiapa yang ada pakai Toyota avanza atau pun sesiapa wakil pusat servis toyota kat dalam ni....
> >
> > Cd player keta avanza yang berjenama toyota dalam keta sy tu baru2 ni anak kecik saya gi sumbat duit syiling kat dlm tmpt cd tu. Memula masuk duit, bunyi dia jadi mcm terkejut2 pun ada...mcm meletup2 kejap pun ada. Buat dek je sebab malas nak gi Toyota, dah la jauh, lmbat lak tu.
> > Makin lama jadi makin teruk, setiap cd yg sy masuk semua jadi calar...mungkin sebab bergesel ngan duit syiling dalam tu. Yang terbaru, masa wife bawak (sy takde masa tu), dia kata tetiba bau hangit...lepas tu bunyi mcm halus2 je n terus takde bunyi. Masa tu, nombor jam atau siaran radio apa yg kita dengar ada lagi.
> > Bila sampai rumah, sy ketuk2 kat panel yang ada suis aircond tu...kuat2, terus nombor hilang. Bunyi kompom lah dah takde. Hati sudah panas, bawak gi kedai accesori, dorang bukak panel tu, kuarkan player, bukak seal "warranty void if broken" tu, bukak penutup atas dia...berlambak duit syiling kuar. Kira2 ada dalam RM1.40 dalam tu. Dah kuar duit tu, cina tu pasang balik, dia cek wiring power supply cume ok. Tp masih takde bunyi n nombor semua termasuk jam tetap takde walaupun lampu tmpt kuar nombor jam tu menyala. Cina tu ckp, "bang, ini dalam sudah bakar bang, kasi tukar baru la". Saya ckp taknak, nak bawak gi toyota dulu, kot dorang leh ejas bagi elok balik. So skang ni bila bawak keta memang takde radio, cuma mainkan lagu dalam hp je ekekekeke... .
> >
> > Soalan sy, klu anta toyota boleh ke dorang repair benda2 camni? Mungkin ic dan terbakar tu. Klu boleh sy bawak la, klu tak boleh baik sy tukao baru je terus. Bukan apa, sayang la nak tuka....walaupun cap toyota, tp bunyi bole tahan. Reception pun ok, balik kampung kat lipis pun leh dapat lagi Mix FM. Klu tukar benda lain expecially sony, mintak mahap je la...dengar cd je la jawab nya.
> >
> > Sesapa ada pengetahun dalam hal ni, mungkin leh bantu sy yg malang ni...
> >
> > Tq
> >
> >
> > Berhubung dengan pantas dengan lebih ramai rakan di blog dan tapak web peribadi anda? Buat Pingbox terkini anda hari ini! http://my.messenger .yahoo.com/ pingbox/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Dapatkan alamat E-mel baru anda!
> Rebut nama E-mel yang telah lama anda kehendaki sebelum orang lain mendapatkannya!
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6.: Fwd: Minta Pendapat Berkaitan Kereta BMW

Posted by: "Azmi OilyMan" mr.oilyman@gmail.com oilymantech

Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:54 pm (PDT)

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Date: 2009/6/11
Subject: [melayu-trade] Minta Pendapat Berkaitan Kereta BMW
To: melayu-trade@yahoogroups.com

Assalamualikum sahabat-sahabat MT !

Saya pasti ramai ahli-ahli MT yg pakar berkhaitan dengan kereta dan saya
perlukan nasihat dari tuan-tuan.

Saya memiliki kereta BMW buruk tahun 1984 (728i) yg masih berfungsi dengan
baik. Soalan saya ialah :-

1. Betulkah saya boleh dapat road tax 1/2 price kerana kereta tu usianya
sudah melebihi
20 tahun. Saya ada pergi bertanya di JPJ Wangsa Maju, tetapi 20
pegawai saya
tanya, saya dapat 20 jawapan berbeza ! Contohnya, ada pegawai yg
berkata bahawa
saya hanya layak mendapat 1/2 price jikalau saya mempunyai 3 kereta yg
saya
adalah pemilik sah kesemuanya.

2. Saya difahamkan bahawa saya boleh menukar enjin BMW tersebut ke enjin
Nissan
atau Toyota. Ada sesiapa yg boleh recommend kan mekanik yg pakar
tentang enjin ?
Maklumlah, nak tukar kereta baru tak mampu, maka tukar enjin pun
jadilah !

Sekian, terima kasih !

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7a.: Fwd: True Power - Jom Tukar Enjin

Posted by: "Razak Zin" razakzin@yahoo.com raddarq

Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:36 am (PDT)

----------

The Wartsila-Sulzer RTA96-C turbocharged two-stroke diesel engine is the most powerful and most efficient prime-mover in the world today. The Aioi Works of Japan 's Diesel United, Ltd built the first engines and is where some of these pictures were taken. It is available in 6 through 14 cylinder versions, all are inline engines. These engines were designed primarily for very large container ships. Ship owners like a single engine/single propeller design and the new generation of larger container ships needed a bigger engine to propel them. The cylinder bore is just under 38" and the stroke is just over 98". Each cylinder displaces 111,143 cubic inches (1820 liters) and produces 7780 horsepower. Total displacement comes out to 1,556,002 cubic inches (25,480 liters) for the fourteen cylinder version.
Some facts on the 14 cylinder version:
Total engine weight: 2300 tons (The crankshaft alone weighs 300 tons.)
Length: 89 feet
Height: 44 feet
Maximum power: 108,920 hp at 102 rpm
Maximum torque: 5,608,312 lb/ft at 102rpm
Fuel consumption at maximum power is 0.278 lbs per hp per hour (Brake Specific Fuel Consumption) . Fuel consumption at maximum economy is 0.260 lbs/hp/hour. At maximum economy the engine exceeds 50% thermal efficiency.. That is, more than 50% of the energy in the fuel in converted to motion.
For comparison, most automotive and small aircraft engines have BSFC figures in the 0.40-0.60 lbs/hp/hr range and 25-30% thermal efficiency range.
Even at its most efficient power setting, the big 14 consumes 1,660 gallons of heavy fuel oil per hour.
A cross section of the RTA96C:

The internals of this engine are a bit different than most automotive engines.
The top of the connecting rod is not attached directly to the piston. The top of the connecting rod attaches to a "crosshead" which rides in guide channels. A long piston rod then connects the crosshead to the piston.
I assume this is done so the sideways forces produced by the connecting rod are absorbed by the crosshead and not by the piston. Those sideways forces are what makes the cylinders in an auto engine get oval-shaped over time.
Installing the "thin-shell" bearings. Crank & rod journals are 38" in diameter and 16" wide:

The crank sitting in the block (also known as a "gondola-style" bedplate). This is a 10 cylinder version. Note the steps by each crank throw that lead down into the crankcase:

A piston & piston rod assembly. The piston is at the top. The large square plate at the bottom is where the whole assembly attaches to the crosshead:

Some pistons: And some piston rods:
The "spikes" on the piston rods are hollow tubes that go into the holes you can see on the bottom of the pistons (left picture) and inject oil into the inside of the piston which keeps the top of the piston from overheating. Some high-performance auto engines have a similar feature where an oil squirter nozzle squirts oil onto the bottom of the piston.
The cylinder deck (10 cylinder version). Cylinder liners are die-cast ductile cast iron. Look at the size of those head studs!:

The first completed 12 cylinder engine:

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7b.: Re: Fwd: True Power - Jom Tukar Enjin

Posted by: "Mohmad Abdullah" mbabest@hotmail.com matdollahmy

Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:53 pm (PDT)

Bro, nampak macam engin kapal je

To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
From: razakzin@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:29:43 -0700
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Fwd: True Power - Jom Tukar Enjin

----------

The Wartsila-Sulzer RTA96-C turbocharged two-stroke diesel engine is the most powerful and most efficient prime-mover in the world today. The Aioi Works of Japan 's Diesel United, Ltd built the first engines and is where some of these pictures were taken. It is available in 6 through 14 cylinder versions, all are inline engines. These engines were designed primarily for very large container ships. Ship owners like a single engine/single propeller design and the new generation of larger container ships needed a bigger engine to propel them. The cylinder bore is just under 38" and the stroke is just over 98". Each cylinder displaces 111,143 cubic inches (1820 liters) and produces 7780 horsepower. Total displacement comes out to 1,556,002
cubic inches (25,480 liters) for the fourteen cylinder version.

Some facts on the 14 cylinder version:

Total engine weight:

2300 tons (The crankshaft alone weighs 300 tons.)

Length:

89 feet

Height:

44 feet

Maximum power:

108,920 hp at 102 rpm

Maximum torque:

5,608,312 lb/ft at 102rpm

Fuel consumption at maximum power is 0.278 lbs per hp per hour (Brake Specific Fuel Consumption) . Fuel consumption at maximum economy is 0.260 lbs/hp/hour. At maximum economy the engine exceeds 50% thermal efficiency. That is, more than 50% of the energy in the fuel in converted to motion.
For comparison, most automotive and small aircraft engines have BSFC figures in the 0.40-0.60 lbs/hp/hr range and 25-30% thermal efficiency range.

Even at its most efficient power setting, the big 14 consumes 1,660 gallons of heavy fuel oil per hour.

A cross section of the RTA96C:

The internals of this engine are a bit different than most automotive engines.
The top of the connecting rod is not attached directly to the piston. The top of the connecting rod attaches to a "crosshead" which rides in guide channels. A long piston rod then connects the crosshead to the piston.
I assume this is done so the sideways forces produced by the connecting rod are absorbed by the crosshead and not by the piston. Those sideways forces are what makes the cylinders in an auto engine get oval-shaped over time.
Installing the
"thin-shell" bearings. Crank & rod journals are 38" in diameter and 16" wide:

The crank sitting in the block (also known as a "gondola-style" bedplate). This is a 10 cylinder version. Note the steps by each crank throw that lead down into the crankcase:

A piston & piston rod assembly. The piston is at the top. The large square plate at the bottom is where the whole assembly attaches to the crosshead:

Some pistons:

And some piston rods:

The "spikes" on the piston rods are hollow tubes that go into the holes you can see on the bottom of the pistons (left picture) and inject oil into the inside of the piston which keeps the top of the piston from overheating. Some high-performance auto engines have a similar feature where an oil squirter nozzle squirts oil onto the bottom of the piston.

The cylinder deck (10 cylinder version). Cylinder liners are die-cast ductile cast iron. Look at the size of those head studs!:

The first completed 12 cylinder engine:

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7c.: Re: Fwd: True Power - Jom Tukar Enjin

Posted by: "Mohd Fadli" palie_zas82@hotmail.com fadli5037

Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:56 pm (PDT)

memang enjin kapal pun.....

To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
From: mbabest@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:08:20 +0000
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Fwd: True Power - Jom Tukar Enjin

Bro, nampak macam engin kapal je

To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
From: razakzin@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:29:43 -0700
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Fwd: True Power - Jom Tukar Enjin

----------

The Wartsila-Sulzer RTA96-C turbocharged two-stroke diesel engine is the most powerful and most efficient prime-mover in the world today. The Aioi Works of Japan 's Diesel United, Ltd built the first engines and is where some of these pictures were taken. It is available in 6 through 14 cylinder versions, all are inline engines. These engines were designed primarily for very large container ships. Ship owners like a single engine/single propeller design and the new generation of larger container ships needed a bigger engine to propel them. The cylinder bore is just under 38" and the stroke is just over 98". Each cylinder displaces 111,143 cubic inches (1820 liters) and produces 7780 horsepower. Total displacement comes out to 1,556,002
cubic inches (25,480 liters) for the fourteen cylinder version.

Some facts on the 14 cylinder version:

Total engine weight:

2300 tons (The crankshaft alone weighs 300 tons.)

Length:

89 feet

Height:

44 feet

Maximum power:

108,920 hp at 102 rpm

Maximum torque:

5,608,312 lb/ft at 102rpm

Fuel consumption at maximum power is 0.278 lbs per hp per hour (Brake Specific Fuel Consumption) . Fuel consumption at maximum economy is 0.260 lbs/hp/hour. At maximum economy the engine exceeds 50% thermal efficiency. That is, more than 50% of the energy in the fuel in converted to motion.
For comparison, most automotive and small aircraft engines have BSFC figures in the 0.40-0.60 lbs/hp/hr range and 25-30% thermal efficiency range.

Even at its most efficient power setting, the big 14 consumes 1,660 gallons of heavy fuel oil per hour.

A cross section of the RTA96C:

The internals of this engine are a bit different than most automotive engines.
The top of the connecting rod is not attached directly to the piston. The top of the connecting rod attaches to a "crosshead" which rides in guide channels. A long piston rod then connects the crosshead to the piston.
I assume this is done so the sideways forces produced by the connecting rod are absorbed by the crosshead and not by the piston. Those sideways forces are what makes the cylinders in an auto engine get oval-shaped over time.
Installing the
"thin-shell" bearings. Crank & rod journals are 38" in diameter and 16" wide:

The crank sitting in the block (also known as a "gondola-style" bedplate). This is a 10 cylinder version. Note the steps by each crank throw that lead down into the crankcase:

A piston & piston rod assembly. The piston is at the top. The large square plate at the bottom is where the whole assembly attaches to the crosshead:

Some pistons:

And some piston rods:

The "spikes" on the piston rods are hollow tubes that go into the holes you can see on the bottom of the pistons (left picture) and inject oil into the inside of the piston which keeps the top of the piston from overheating. Some high-performance auto engines have a similar feature where an oil squirter nozzle squirts oil onto the bottom of the piston.

The cylinder deck (10 cylinder version). Cylinder liners are die-cast ductile cast iron. Look at the size of those head studs!:

The first completed 12 cylinder engine:

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8.: NEW PROTON SAGA BLM 1.6 LIMITED EDITION

Posted by: "Labu Labi" labulab11@yahoo.com labulab11

Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:47 pm (PDT)

Just for info..kepada yang berminat dengan kereta malaysia..

The Saga 1.6 MT model is available only in the B-line, in Manual Transmission and in Chili Red Colour. It is now available for booking at Proton Edar website. The B-Line M/T listed at RM39,000 is the sole 1.6 liter model on sale. Thatâ€™s about roughly a RM3k premium over the 1.3 liter B-Line M/T.

More at http://informasi-kereta.blogspot.com

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9a.: MP3 Player cap pioneer pon rosak jugak

Posted by: "almustaqeem" almustaqeem@yahoo.com almustaqeem

Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:55 pm (PDT)

last wiken, masa tengah syok memecut kat hiway PLUS sambil mendengar lagu Guns & Roses dalam kebisingan yang agak melampau, tetiba jer player tu terpadam dgn sendrinya. Lepas tu ada bau hangit mcm ada benda terbakar. Cepat2 saya cabut dia punya head unit risau jugak kot terbakar ke, meletup ker... tak pasal2 masuk paper...

berenti jap kat R&R tgk apa yg berlaku... check dalam fius box nampak fius utk radio ok jer... dah tak tahu nak buat apa, saya pon meneruskan perjalanan ke utara tanpa irama & lagu... sunyi & sepi... nak dgr lagu handphone ada 2,3 lagu jer...

sebelum hantar check kedai, nak tanya lah kawan2 kat sini kot ada idea apa sebenarnya yg berlaku & camane nak mengatasi problem ni...

terima kasih.

!shoot aje lah!

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From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com>
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: CD Player Cap Toyota Rosak
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 4:57 PM

cadangan hamba:

1) beli baru jer...brand Eclipse.

2) (kalau) beli yg original baru TOYOTA, kena katuk lagi...

3) beli kat KEDAI POTONG seken.

tapi utk makluman bro, worldwide semua keta Toyota ORI radio made by ECLIPSE. bukan Sony, bukan Kenwood. Toyota MALAYSIA aku tak sure. Kalau Samy Vellu kata lain, aku tak taulah.

Eclipse ni brand Fujitsu TEN. Best of the best car audio player. Reception radio dia clear giler, tapi banyak org tak tau. Yg banyak2 org tau brand Alpine, Sony, Kenwood, Pioneer, Clarion, Proton dan Perodua.

http://www.eclipse- web.com/eu/ en/download/ index.html

--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, "agai@..." <agai_disini@ ...> wrote:

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> Salam semua

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> Nak tanya pendapat pada sesiapa yang ada pakai Toyota avanza atau pun sesiapa wakil pusat servis toyota kat dalam ni....

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> Cd player keta avanza yang berjenama toyota dalam keta sy tu baru2 ni anak kecik saya gi sumbat duit syiling kat dlm tmpt cd tu. Memula masuk duit, bunyi dia jadi mcm terkejut2 pun ada...mcm meletup2 kejap pun ada. Buat dek je sebab malas nak gi Toyota, dah la jauh, lmbat lak tu.

> Makin lama jadi makin teruk, setiap cd yg sy masuk semua jadi calar...mungkin sebab bergesel ngan duit syiling dalam tu. Yang terbaru, masa wife bawak (sy takde masa tu), dia kata tetiba bau hangit...lepas tu bunyi mcm halus2 je n terus takde bunyi. Masa tu, nombor jam atau siaran radio apa yg kita dengar ada lagi.

> Bila sampai rumah, sy ketuk2 kat panel yang ada suis aircond tu...kuat2, terus nombor hilang. Bunyi kompom lah dah takde. Hati sudah panas, bawak gi kedai accesori, dorang bukak panel tu, kuarkan player, bukak seal "warranty void if broken" tu, bukak penutup atas dia...berlambak duit syiling kuar. Kira2 ada dalam RM1.40 dalam tu. Dah kuar duit tu, cina tu pasang balik, dia cek wiring power supply cume ok. Tp masih takde bunyi n nombor semua termasuk jam tetap takde walaupun lampu tmpt kuar nombor jam tu menyala. Cina tu ckp, "bang, ini dalam sudah bakar bang, kasi tukar baru la". Saya ckp taknak, nak bawak gi toyota dulu, kot dorang leh ejas bagi elok balik. So skang ni bila bawak keta memang takde radio, cuma mainkan lagu dalam hp je ekekekeke... .

>

> Soalan sy, klu anta toyota boleh ke dorang repair benda2 camni? Mungkin ic dan terbakar tu. Klu boleh sy bawak la, klu tak boleh baik sy tukao baru je terus. Bukan apa, sayang la nak tuka....walaupun cap toyota, tp bunyi bole tahan. Reception pun ok, balik kampung kat lipis pun leh dapat lagi Mix FM. Klu tukar benda lain expecially sony, mintak mahap je la...dengar cd je la jawab nya.

>

> Sesapa ada pengetahun dalam hal ni, mungkin leh bantu sy yg malang ni...

>

> Tq

>

>

> Berhubung dengan pantas dengan lebih ramai rakan di blog dan tapak web peribadi anda? Buat Pingbox terkini anda hari ini! http://my.messenger .yahoo.com/ pingbox/

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9b.: Re: MP3 Player cap pioneer pon rosak jugak

Posted by: "bashah" bwasi@yahoo.com bwasi

Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:27 pm (PDT)

kalu bau terbakar biasanya power transformer dah konglah tu...tula ko pasang melampau..lagu rock G&R lak tu...lain kali pasanglah Siti Nurhaliza ke, Daud KIlau ker...keke

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> last wiken, masa tengah syok memecut kat hiway PLUS sambil mendengar lagu Guns & Roses dalam kebisingan yang agak melampau, tetiba jer player tu terpadam dgn sendrinya. Lepas tu ada bau hangit mcm ada benda terbakar. Cepat2 saya cabut dia punya head unit risau jugak kot terbakar ke, meletup ker... tak pasal2 masuk paper...
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> berenti jap kat R&R tgk apa yg berlaku... check dalam fius box nampak fius utk radio ok jer... dah tak tahu nak buat apa, saya pon meneruskan perjalanan ke utara tanpa irama & lagu... sunyi & sepi... nak dgr lagu handphone ada 2,3 lagu jer...
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> sebelum hantar check kedai, nak tanya lah kawan2 kat sini kot ada idea apa sebenarnya yg berlaku & camane nak mengatasi problem ni...
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> !shoot aje lah!
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> --- On Thu, 6/11/09, bashah <bwasi@...> wrote:
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> From: bashah <bwasi@...>
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: CD Player Cap Toyota Rosak
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 4:57 PM
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> 1) beli baru jer...brand Eclipse.
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> 2) (kalau) beli yg original baru TOYOTA, kena katuk lagi...
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> 3) beli kat KEDAI POTONG seken.
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> tapi utk makluman bro, worldwide semua keta Toyota ORI radio made by ECLIPSE. bukan Sony, bukan Kenwood. Toyota MALAYSIA aku tak sure. Kalau Samy Vellu kata lain, aku tak taulah.
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> Eclipse ni brand Fujitsu TEN. Best of the best car audio player. Reception radio dia clear giler, tapi banyak org tak tau. Yg banyak2 org tau brand Alpine, Sony, Kenwood, Pioneer, Clarion, Proton dan Perodua.
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> --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, "agai@" <agai_disini@ ...> wrote:
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> > Salam semua
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> > Nak tanya pendapat pada sesiapa yang ada pakai Toyota avanza atau pun sesiapa wakil pusat servis toyota kat dalam ni....
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> > Cd player keta avanza yang berjenama toyota dalam keta sy tu baru2 ni anak kecik saya gi sumbat duit syiling kat dlm tmpt cd tu. Memula masuk duit, bunyi dia jadi mcm terkejut2 pun ada...mcm meletup2 kejap pun ada. Buat dek je sebab malas nak gi Toyota, dah la jauh, lmbat lak tu.
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> > Makin lama jadi makin teruk, setiap cd yg sy masuk semua jadi calar...mungkin sebab bergesel ngan duit syiling dalam tu. Yang terbaru, masa wife bawak (sy takde masa tu), dia kata tetiba bau hangit...lepas tu bunyi mcm halus2 je n terus takde bunyi. Masa tu, nombor jam atau siaran radio apa yg kita dengar ada lagi.
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> > Bila sampai rumah, sy ketuk2 kat panel yang ada suis aircond tu...kuat2, terus nombor hilang. Bunyi kompom lah dah takde. Hati sudah panas, bawak gi kedai accesori, dorang bukak panel tu, kuarkan player, bukak seal "warranty void if broken" tu, bukak penutup atas dia...berlambak duit syiling kuar. Kira2 ada dalam RM1.40 dalam tu. Dah kuar duit tu, cina tu pasang balik, dia cek wiring power supply cume ok. Tp masih takde bunyi n nombor semua termasuk jam tetap takde walaupun lampu tmpt kuar nombor jam tu menyala. Cina tu ckp, "bang, ini dalam sudah bakar bang, kasi tukar baru la". Saya ckp taknak, nak bawak gi toyota dulu, kot dorang leh ejas bagi elok balik. So skang ni bila bawak keta memang takde radio, cuma mainkan lagu dalam hp je ekekekeke... .
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> > Soalan sy, klu anta toyota boleh ke dorang repair benda2 camni? Mungkin ic dan terbakar tu. Klu boleh sy bawak la, klu tak boleh baik sy tukao baru je terus. Bukan apa, sayang la nak tuka....walaupun cap toyota, tp bunyi bole tahan. Reception pun ok, balik kampung kat lipis pun leh dapat lagi Mix FM. Klu tukar benda lain expecially sony, mintak mahap je la...dengar cd je la jawab nya.
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10.: Fwd: MENCARI ENJIN/BLOK TIARA UNTUK DI JUAL

Posted by: "moderator_bertugas" encikmie@gmail.com moderator_bertugas

Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:00 pm (PDT)

--- In melayu-trade@yahoogroups.com, Rakhbi Mohamad <rakhbi@...> wrote:

Salam ,

Ada sesiapa yang mempunyai enjin/ blok kereta tiara untuk di jual .

Sila telefon - urgent
Rakhbi - 019 2673692

Thanks

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11.: Fwd: Mencari Bonet Honda Civic 2000 spec (1set)

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Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:27 pm (PDT)

--- In melayu-trade@yahoogroups.com, Anif Mat <myon9store_email@...> wrote:

Dear kengkawan..Kepada sesiapa yg ada info tentang kat mana nak dapat bonet honda civic 2000 spec harap dapat membantu...mungkin leh tau tentang range harga dsb... terima kasih.

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