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Re: PROTON PERSONA 1.6M CAMPRO IAFM

Posted by: "faisal pyeso" ees_bk@yahoo.com

Tue Jul 7, 2009 6:10 pm (PDT)



 
Try heavy corner....ada bunyi tak kat tayar?

--- On Mon, 7/6/09, awinzul <awinzul@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: awinzul <awinzul@yahoo.com>
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - PROTON PERSONA 1.6M CAMPRO IAFM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 7:16 PM

SALAM..

Nak tanya pendapat rakan2 yg ada xperience memandu kereta nie..
dgr cite enjin dgn gearbox dia kurang efisen..
diharapkan bole bg overal komen ttg kete nie??
tq

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PROTON PERSONA 1.6M CAMPRO IAFM

Posted by: "suehailis Ismail" mokhsuhailis@yahoo.com.my   mokhsuhailis

Tue Jul 7, 2009 6:25 pm (PDT)



Persona mmg bermasalah dengan gearbox.. dah la susah nak masuk gear.. lambat pickup la kalau dah berenti pastu nak masuk gear 1 mula nak gerak kereta lain dah jauh ke depan, kita baru terhegeh2 nak jalan..

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From: awinzul <awinzul@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:16:46 AM
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - PROTON PERSONA 1.6M CAMPRO IAFM

SALAM..

Nak tanya pendapat rakan2 yg ada xperience memandu kereta nie..
dgr cite enjin dgn gearbox dia kurang efisen..
diharapkan bole bg overal komen ttg kete nie??
tq

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Re: PROTON PERSONA 1.6M CAMPRO IAFM

Posted by: "Abdul Rahman bin Johari" arahman@newhoongfatt.com.my   man_apache

Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:32 pm (PDT)



bunyi apa plak bro, mestila bunyi tayar yang keluar kan bro, thehehe...
kalau tayar tu bunga kecil, then bunyi takla kuat sangat berbanding
kalau tayar tu bunga dia besar2...pengalaman aku la, kalau tayar falken
tu mmg ada bising sikit tp grip bila heavy corner mmg mencongkam
gile...berbanding tayar goodyear, bunyi ada perlahan/kurang bising la
dari falken. bunyi yg macamana tu bro faizal? pasal kete persona tu
kenapa dengan gearbox dan efisien nye? tak paham la, kalau masalah IAFM
tu menghasilkan bunyi xbest tu biasa la. kawan saya baru je pi servis
kete saga BLM dia dan suh mekanik tu tgk sekali IAFM ketenya sebab ada
bunyi xbest bila start enjin.

faisal pyeso wrote:
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> Try heavy corner....ada bunyi tak kat tayar?
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> --- On *Mon, 7/6/09, awinzul /<awinzul@yahoo.com>/* wrote:
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> From: awinzul <awinzul@yahoo.com>
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - PROTON PERSONA 1.6M CAMPRO IAFM
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 7:16 PM
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> SALAM..
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> Nak tanya pendapat rakan2 yg ada xperience memandu kereta nie..
> dgr cite enjin dgn gearbox dia kurang efisen..
> diharapkan bole bg overal komen ttg kete nie??
> tq
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Re: PROTON PERSONA 1.6M CAMPRO IAFM

Posted by: "Abdul Rahman bin Johari" arahman@newhoongfatt.com.my   man_apache

Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:34 pm (PDT)

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ooo itu bukan masalah gearbox la, u try pasang VS brand apa tak kisah
la...tp recommend Deizin atau Pivot je, Deizin sbb murah tp dgr kata
Pivot pun dah turunkan harga dia. dia sebab kete tu guna sistem lain
dari kete biasa, kete biasa kalau u tekan je pedal terus kete tu jalan
sebab pedal dengan fuel throttle connected by cable. tp kete IAFM ni
drive by wire, member aku dah try pakai VS ni. tukar gear mmg ada rasa
smooth dr sebelum pakai, asyik sangkut2 je.

suehailis Ismail wrote:
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> Persona mmg bermasalah dengan gearbox.. dah la susah nak masuk gear..
> lambat pickup la kalau dah berenti pastu nak masuk gear 1 mula nak
> gerak kereta lain dah jauh ke depan, kita baru terhegeh2 nak jalan..
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> *From:* awinzul <awinzul@yahoo.com>
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:16:46 AM
> *Subject:* www.auto.pdniaga.com - PROTON PERSONA 1.6M CAMPRO IAFM
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> SALAM..
>
> Nak tanya pendapat rakan2 yg ada xperience memandu kereta nie..
> dgr cite enjin dgn gearbox dia kurang efisen..
> diharapkan bole bg overal komen ttg kete nie??
> tq
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Re: PROTON PERSONA 1.6M CAMPRO IAFM

Posted by: "Hafiz" hafizuddin.geo@yahoo.com   hafiz750

Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:22 pm (PDT)



Ada. Tu bunyi apa eh? Ingatkan bunyi tayar.

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From: faisal pyeso <ees_bk@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:08:15 AM
Subject:Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - PROTON PERSONA 1.6M CAMPRO IAFM

Try heavy corner....ada bunyi tak kat tayar?

--- On Mon, 7/6/09, awinzul <awinzul@yahoo. com> wrote:

>From: awinzul <awinzul@yahoo. com>
>Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - PROTON PERSONA 1.6M CAMPRO IAFM
>To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 7:16 PM
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>SALAM..
>
>Nak tanya pendapat rakan2 yg ada xperience memandu kereta nie..
>dgr cite enjin dgn gearbox dia kurang efisen..
>diharapkan bole bg overal komen ttg kete nie??
>tq
>
>

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HONDA CITY 1.5 IDSI vs HONDA CITY 1.5 VTEC

Posted by: "ZUL AWIN" zulawins@yahoo.com   zulawins

Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:32 pm (PDT)



SALAM..
 
Seperti tajuk diatas. minta pendapat rakan2 yg ada pengalaman memandu kedua2 kereta tersebut memberikn komen dr segi kelebihan antara idsi dgn vtec..
which one is more better and value for money, better fuel consumption, pick up/torque..
overall for tis both car.. pls give comment.. tq
kedua2 adalah model lama yg sama design tp berbeza enjin.

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Fw: Proton PM5

Posted by: "Labu Labi" labulab11@yahoo.com   labulab11

Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:23 pm (PDT)

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Saje nak kongsi keta baru dari Proton....PM5. Betul ke ni??
 
Labulabi
http://informasi-kereta.blogspot.com

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Off-Topic: Top 17 SCAMS in Malaysia

Posted by: "NagoMakeOre" nagoboror@gmail.com   mkorok

Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:24 pm (PDT)



Tuan Moderator,

Nak kongsi dengan rakan group, especially item no 5 yg pernah diperdebatkan
dalam group suatu masa dulu.

Just take note and jangan cepat percaya.

Beware of these scams in the market. Don't invest blindly and lose all your
hard earned money.

Anything that is too easy to make money is usually a scam.
Read the following interesting collections and be forewarned.

Attached is a good compilation of suspicious business scams.
*
1. **The Cafe Scams - Island Red Cafe & Stevens Corner*

(strange, both in Pandan Indah) - Island Red Cafe collects members RM6,000
each and promised 5% return every month and even give you a name in the ROC
as a shareholder but what's the point when they run away? Stevens Corner,
the famous indian coffee shop follows due to drop of business since their
renovation. They collect RM3,000 per member and promise return of RM150
monthly and plans to open nice fanchisee cafe called StevensTeaGarden.
Someone mentioned they will make you sign an agreement that give them the
rights NOT to pay you anything in future. If you really wish to join, ask
for a copy of their agreement and consult your lawyer BEFORE paying them.
Bet you will NOT get a copy. Both collect monies from new members with MLM
recruitment schemes and pay the old members like Sunshine Empire. You never
know when they will run away.
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2. **Sunshine Empire*
This licensed and legal Company has an impressive office at the ground level
of KUB building along Jalan Yap Kwan Seng, near Menara Public Bank and
AmBank Building . They also have a showroom office at the ground level in
the next building. 3 or 4 months ago, Singapore 's Straits Times and The
Paper published big news reminding their people to be careful and NOT to
believe in them. Hope someone can put up the link or
> google for it.(As expected, they STOPPED paying back members now and all
investors LOST their money).

Someone below has put a link to the Singapore news. In fact there are more
to it. Although Singapore is investigating them, they did not stop their
business as the business is legal and so far, no Singaporean have failed to
receive their commissions as promised. Thus, the government cannot stop them
yet. The news published that the founder, director and group president is
someone named James Phang but he is NOT the owner. Isn't this quite strange
? At the end of the game, James Phang can just disappear from the Company
easily and claimed that he was just "employed". Such trick always happened
in scam businesses. Now, the Company has STOPPED paying commissions and
interests to members with the excuse that the Singapore government has
freezed their bank account while under investigation. Do you think their
boss will be so stupid to keep much monies in the bank to be freezed? They
are all transfered away. It's just an excuses not to
> pay back to members and members are only paid "e-bonus-points" which is
cashless. If they wish to
> convert to cash, they have to recruit new members to pay them cash and the
recruiter less out trom the amount. So victims act like Vampires and
"forced" to victimise other victims if they wish to get their monies back.
And their victims will later transform to vampires and the scam carries
on�..

*
3. **MobilWallet*
This Company owned by 2 young men, Stanley & Rey Gan, office in Queens
Avenue Park has collect multi-millions the last 2 years. Claimed that they
tied up with Telekoms, Utility Board payment like Water & Electricity bills,
even Maybank got fooled by them. Advertisement Billboards everywhere. They
STOPPED paying back their members few months ago and the members cannot do
anything because they are made to sign an agreement unaware that they have
to claims if the company stopped paying them by CHANGING terms and policies.

*
4. **Water Business - Oxygenated and Alkaline Water Products*
Some of these are bottled water and some are filters or equipment that
claimed the trick..
One of the better known Company that sold "oxygen" water is SITO (supposed
to stand for Selangor International Trading Organiszation and claimed
Selangor State Government owned some share in it). The key person and
founder is a Dato Robert Ong from Rawang but his name is no longer in the
business now. Their products are sold for RM2 to RM3 for a 350ml bottle and
now concentrating mostly in the Indian market. Their Chinese and Malays
market are long gone since a year or 2 ago. Their customers are made to
believe that their water has more oxygen and able to give miraculous effects
for the body. Water is H2O, how to put more O into it ? Anyone knows how
much oxygen do we breathe into our body everyday at FOC ? Latest news is
that this SITO Company is going to create new label to market under a new
Company since the SITO name has already gone bad. Someone informed that this
Company is owing alot of money(due to refunds) to ex-stockists but just
refuse to pay them. (Latest news, SITO shifted to another place and their
MLM business has closed but planning to start again with a different name,
beware!!)

Alkaline Products - Can anyone explain how it can work for the body ? The
stomach's gastric liquid is so acidic that water of any pH that goes through
it will not make any difference.

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5. **Car Fuel Booster - K-Link*
K-Link, the famous scam MLM Company that sold the footpatch TAKARA, later
the "cock-ring" and energy-card launched the patrol-saving pills last year.
Got so hot that even grocery shops are selling for them. Recently many of
these cars that used the pills are rushing to the workshops to clean the
residual. Few months ago, another MLM Company launched a fuel booster
gadget, claimed that saves up to 20% fuel, that is attached to the cigarette
lighter. Started off well using binary plan but businese begin to fade now
and most users find it NOT effective.

*
6. **Perfumery Products*
(eg. Lampe Berger & Bel Air)(more details later). Lampe Berger is not so hot
now in the neighbouring countries but there are still new victims every
month in Malaysia . Must thanks to those who have contributed and kept the
thread alive here in Kopitiam. Bel-Air have closed in Malaysia . LB is
almost zero in Singapore . This perfumery product from France with over 100
years history is just bottles and fragrance (check the factory's website)
but the Company marketing them in Asia claimed "aromatheraphy" products.
Hong Kong TVB aired a program that exposed their scam but their members
claimed that HK's TVB already apologised to them. Note that the biggest
strenght in a MLM Scam is their members will go all way out to lie in order
to defend for their Company. The reason is simple; these members fear that
they will not be able to make their money back if the Company collapsed.
Knowing that the Lampe Berger products are moving slow, they add a line of
skincare products named Estebel, also claime to have over 100 years history
in France. (Hardly anymore Chinese newcomers, they are now tapping the
Malays in Malaysia .)

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7. **Energy Products*
(eg. stone pendants, bracelets, mattress and pillows). They use all sorts of
gimmicks and demonstration to make you into believing them. They will do
some tricks and demo to prove that these products really produce energy BUT
is there any tricks in their demo? So what if there really produce energy;
is it good or strong enough to help the body? The effect is actually PLACEBO
which I will elaborate in a new thread soon. (More details later.)

*
8. **Hi-Tech Products*
Names like bio-tech, nano-tech that claimed millions of dollars of research
involved, eg Bio-Young and XKL few years ago. Most of these will claimed a
professor behind them (even with name and picture of a person) or used words
like "U..S.A. formula", "German Technology" or "Nanotechnology" and no
further details (more details later). If you ask for more details like the
professor or factory's address, the answer will be "trade secrets".

*
9. **Investment Schemes*
SWISSCASH is the King of all. Swisscash is nearly over now but there are
many similar and smaller ones that are still on. (Now, it's closed or
stopped paying back members.)

*10. **GoldQuest*
This Company that claimed to be HK-based started with some non-value
gold-plated coins that are sold for over RM2,000 have several names and
changed products several times. QuestVacation, QuestNet, etc. They have
several offices in Amcorp Mall, PJ and their key person (in fact, the
owner), a Malaysian Indian was arrested last year in Indonesia for having
involved in a very big Phillipines scam. Most of their overseas offices are
closed or inactive but their Malaysia business is still hot, with some
"energy" products. (Can someone please provide a link which showed the news
that their boss was involved in a big scam in Philippines and was arrested
in last year?)

*
11. **Numerogy & Fortune Telling*
A Company named Visible is using MLM to sell fortune telling classes using
your birthday based on numerology fortune telling. Prpspects will be told
that they need to buy a certain "number" between 1 to 9 in the form of
pendants or bracelets made of stainless steel and sold from RM600 to
RM20,000. Customers, or rather victims are mostly females from rural areas.
Very hot in Penang now and a number of spin-off Companies have started.

*
12. **MJ - Life*
MJ-Life - This Company boost of a very big background with many many years
of history which is NOT true. Their people or associates may be long in
business but nothing to do with their MLM launched recently. Why do I
consider it a scam or bad? New members are told to pay a sum of money (up to
RM1000) and you get NOTHING for it. You only get a membership can entitle
you to enjoy all sorts of special price and discounts when you have medical
check-ups in their centres.. They will claim all those check-ups cost more
if done elsewhere. It's not true. Only the naive and those new to medical
check-ups will fall victims to them. Most members who paid the money ended
up with nothing.

*
13. **Seaweed Venture Scams*
1 such Company is located in Taman Maluri, Cheras. They will ask you to
invest a few thousands ringgits for their venture of growing seaweeds in
East Malaysia and you are guaranteed returns. To gain your confidence
further, they will tell you your investment money is secured by "insurance"
or "unit trusts" & "trustees". When you ask for further documents to prove,
they will give all sorts of excuses or just ignore you because they know
they cannot get you. These Seaweed scam is one of the hottest now, warn all
your friends about it before they are victimised.

*
14. **MXM (Previously MGM)*
This is a master scam among the younger group, very successful 2 or 3 years
ago but since there moved to their big 10-storey office at Phileo Damansara
and changed name to MXM, their business dropped. They collect members
RM3,000 to RM4,000 with credit card monthly easy payment and in return you
get a hospital benefits insurance from Pacific Insurance worth only a few
hundred RMs together with some you-don't-need medical check-ups from their
associate Company Pathlab. Also talk about fitness, lifestyles bullshit that
is all worthless.

*
15. **Gano Excel *
This company from the north, a copycat of DXN selling Lingzhi capsules
created a new Company called Gano iTouch to cash-in on the internet like
e-Cosway after their Company went down the drain since the last 2 years,
selling Linzhi and some no-value energy pendants and alkaline water gadgets.
They provide free transport every weekend from KL to visit their Alor Star
office.

*
16. **NuLife (HK)*
This Company started by some HK people has been in Malaysia for more than 10
years but they have flopped in HK and Malaysia due to bad management and a
product scam making use of a prosecuted American named Dr Jeffrey Bland,
found guilty of false products claim. Since this case in the US leaked out
and many Malaysians found out that the real boss in HK is a Steven Tang (he
cheated many Malaysians in another scheme about 20 years ago) their business
went down all the way.. Now they claim Malaysian partners cheated them and
start a new Company in Malaysia . Watch out, this new Company will come out
with some investment scheme idea that will get many to lose their money.

*
17. **Arowana Fish Breeding* *
Oora* from Germany , *Biofuel* (Kompleks Maluri) etc - These are some newer
scams. Arowana fish venture ask you to invest some money and give you fixed
return. Biofuel will tell you their Indonesia connections (just like
Sunshine Empire before using Taiwan) & Oora from Germany(I never trust those
cruel Germans) that market some bio-chips and a gadget that claims to give
energy and therapeutic effects of accupunture, tai-chi, yoga, etc depending
how you set the toy-like gadget, wear it on your body and you get the effect
later.
They could not explain or provide any demonstration to prove their
effectiveness. Only doctors and papers claim that I will never trust. The
health effect is actually PLACEBO, which I will elaborate in a different
thread.
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5.

FW: New Proton Saga SE 1.6 in showrooms from 15th August

Posted by: "Harris Bin Haron" Harris@maa.com.my

Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:29 am (PDT)





H
MAAB
LCM

New Proton Saga SE 1.6 in showrooms from 15th August

July 7, 2009 at 6:16 pm by Paul Tan *

We now have more details on the new Proton Saga SE, which is positioned
as a premium variant of one of Proton's cheapest cars right now. The
Saga SE continues using the 1.3 liter Campro IAFM engine that's found in
the rest of the Saga range except for the taxi model, so what exactly
does "SE" mean? Here are the full details:

* Only two colours - brilliant red or solid white with a black
finish roof top.
* New front, rear (with faux diffuser design) and side skirts.
* A new front grille with black finish.
* Leather seats, door trim and steering wheel
* Pearl white instrument cluster
* Dark chrome air-conditioning vents
* CD player with MP3 support

As previously mentioned, the Saga SE 1.6 manual is priced at RM43,000
while the automatic transmission model is priced at RM45,500. It is
available for booking now for RM500, but the cars will only be in the
showrooms from the 15th of August 2009 onwards.

Look after the jump for more photos of the Saga SE.

<http://paultan.org/photo/Proton-Saga-SE/proton-saga-se-3.jpg>

Proton launched two new models at the Felda Settlers Day in Johor today
- the Proton Saga SE and the Proton Exora 1.6 manual.

From the info I am getting now, the Saga SE uses a 1.3 liter Campro IAFM
engine as before (the sole 1.6 liter model
<http://paultan.org/archives/2009/06/01/proton-saga-16-b-line-mt-now-ava
ilable-for-booking-at-proton-edars-website/> continues in taxi spec),
but comes with aesthetic and equipment changes, while the Proton Exora
1.6 M/T like its namesake comes with a manual transmission. The Proton
team is having trouble sending full specs and press release over because
they are in an area without internet access now but at least we have the
prices:

* Proton Saga SE Manual - RM43,000
* Proton Saga SE Auto <http://paultan.org/> - RM45,500
* Proton Exora M/T Solid - RM64,548.00
* Proton Exora M/T Metallic - RM64,998.00

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Re: FW:  pemanasan enjin perlu ke x?

Posted by: "rhm tan" rhmtan70@yahoo.com   rhmtan70

Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:29 am (PDT)



Bagi saya pemanasan enjin itu perlu tapi jangan terlalu lama. 3~5 minit sudah memadai.
Kalau kira biasanya, kita keluar pintu, pakai kasut, start enjin, masukkan barang ke dalam kereta,
buka pagar, masuk kereta, keluarkan kereta dari garaj, tutup pagar, dan gerak.
Perkara biasa macam ni pun sudah mengambil masa 3~5 minit. dah kira warmed up dah...
Kalau nak cepat pun boleh, kita pandu kereta kita dengan perlahan supaya enjin sempat juga warm up...

Mengikut artikel asal:
1. Les Ryder berkata, "Engines run best at their design temperature".
- Saya setuju. Jadi kenapa nak gerakkan kereta kita sebelum sampai suhu sepatutnya?

2. Dalam keadaan (idling) pembakaran bahanapi tidak dapat dilakukan dengan sempurna.
- Kalau setting karbureter/injection tiada masalah. Pembakaran optimum boleh terjadi dalam keadaan idling pun...
- Masa kita idling nak panaskan enjin jauh lebih pendek jika dibandingkan idling semasa jalan jem.

3. Wap air yang terhasil daripada enjin yang sejuk.
- Bila start enjin, angin exhaust akan menolak keluar wap air ni, sebab tu lah kita nampak percikan air kat hujung exhaust.
- dalam beberapa minit idling, enjin pun panas dan wap air tu tersejat la...

4. Catalytic Converter berfungsi hanya pada tahap suhu 400°~800°C.
- Memang betul. Tapi sementara nak sampai suhu setinggi tu kalau kita rev enjin tinggi... Lu orang syak apa agaknya yang terjadi kepada alam sekitar?
- Catalytic converter sekarang dah diletakan dekat dengan enjin, jadi mudah utk panas. Terlalu panas pun cepat rosak juga...

5. Pam Pelincir Pam minyak pelincir ini dijana oleh pusingan crankshaft.
- Kalau nak cepat sangat agih minyak pelincir, apa kata kita hidupkan enjin sambil menekan pedal minyak sepenuhnya...

Walau bagaimana pun, amalan warm up ni terpulang kepada pengguna masing2.
Idling lama2 tu membazir dan bahan apa pun akan mudah rosak kalau pemanasan/penyejukan berlaku secara cepat dan tidak sekata...

camtu la +/-...

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From: almustaqeem <almustaqeem@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:21:35 AM
Subject:RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - FW: pemanasan enjin perlu ke x?

manucfaturer x inform sebab nak bagi kete / enjin cepat rosak.
bila cepat rosak, mesti org nak beli lagi & lagi...
siapa yang untung???
hehehehe... logik ke kesimpulanku ini?

apa pun buat mcm biasa... kalo selesa panas enjin, panaskan aje...
mcm saya yg amalkan tabiat memanaskan enjin, alhamdullillah... walau pun 1.3, karburator pulak tu, 7 tahun pakai takde masalah.

!shoot aje lah!

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>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 4:42 PM
>
>
>Hide ID tokmod..
>
>Aku pun dekat2
>nak pening jugak.. masa aku keja kilang roda getah kat penang dulu, kilang tu
>ada satu compression roller yg sangat besar running 12 jam sehari.. kalau tak
>warm up at least 10 minit dulu, main tibai masuk material, hah memang siap ler
>geng maintenance nak repair lepas tu..
>
>Aku rasa sama la
>dgn enjin moto atau kereta nih.. Cuma mungkin berapa lama nak kena warm up tu
>lah yg kita tak tau sebab manufacturer tak bg tau… (ye ke manufacturer
>tak bgtau.. cuba
>bukak manual….)
>
>Hisyam
>
>
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>
>From:agai@017
>[mailto:agai_ disini@yahoo. com.my]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:06
>PM
>To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>Subject:Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com
>- FW: pemanasan enjin perlu ke x?
>
>so? kena panaskan ke tak ni?
>aku dah konpius
>
>
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>
>Daripada:Nazri
>Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo. com>
>Kepada: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>Dihantar: Selasa, 16 Jun, 2009
>2:49:07
>Subjek:Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com -
>FW: pemanasan enjin perlu ke x?
>salam,
>
>aku sempat baca separuh je. tak larat nak baca karangan panjang sangat.
>
>padangan saya. kalau tak perlu panas enjin, tak perlu la adanya
>autochoke kat carburator. tak perlu la enjin RPM tinggi masa pagi2 start. tak
>perlu ada termostat pada enjin.
>
>sekian.
>
>
>>
>
>
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>
>From:>"hisyam@yahoogroups. com" <hisyam@yahoogroups. com>
>To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009
>1:22:38 PM
>Subject:RE: www.auto.pdniaga. com
>- FW: pemanasan enjin perlu ke x?
>Hide ID tokmod..
>
>Idling = Pepura = pura-pura… hehehehe…
>kalau masa study dulu buku versi bahasa Melayu translatekan
>"idling" tu dgn "melahu" J
>
>Hisyam
>
>
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>
>From:Razali Bin Md Yusoff [mailto:razali. mdyusoff@
>osram-os. com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:52
>AM
>To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>Subject:www.auto.pdniaga. com -
>FW: pemanasan enjin perlu ke x?
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>Upacara memanaskan enjin adalah antara amalan yang sinonim
> dengan hampir semua pengguna kenderaan di seluruh negara. Tak
> kiralah sama ada pemandu kereta, lori, van, bas sekolah, kereta
> kebal, motosikal berkuasa rendah dan sebagainya termasuk
> helikopter. Biasanya amalan ini dilakukan pada waktu pagi sebelum
> ke tempat kerja atau ke sebarang destinasi.
>
>> Ada yang
> memanaskan enjin selama satu minit. Ada yang memanaskan selama 5
> minit. Ada
> yang keluar rumah, hidupkan enjin kereta, masuk rumah, sarapan,
> pakai stokin, pakai kasut, kunci pintu dan baru terhegeh-hegeh
> masuk kereta untuk memulakan perjalanan. Gua syak makan masa dalam
> 15 minit juga. Brader-brader macam tu gua ingat mesti bangun awal
> punya. Semua ini dilakukan kononnya demi untuk menjaga enjin. Demi untuk
> memastikan jangkahayat enjin panjang dan sentiasa berprestasi tip
> top.
>
>> Masalahnya sekarang, di manakah pelajaran tentang memanaskan enjin
> ini diajar? Kalau tak silap gua, masa sekolah dulu pun tak ada pun
> cikgu-cikgu yang pandai-pandai ajar pasal benda ni. Masa pergi
> ambil kursus memandu di JPJ pun tak ada belajar benda-benda macam
> ni. Di univesiti pun tak ada belajar. Sekolah-sekolah agama rakyat
> pun tak ada menyediakan tajuk ini di dalam silibus pembelajaran
> mereka. Jadi di mana?
>
>> Berdasarkan pemerhatian gua dengan sedikit kajian, upacara
> pemanasan enjin telah dilakukan sejak zaman-berzaman. Mula-mula
> mungkin datuk gua start panaskan enjin kereta dia sebelum pergi
> sekolah kerja guru besar. Kemudian bapa gua pula bila dah pakai
> kereta, teringat pula amalan datuk gua masa nak pergi sekolah dulu.
> Jadi bapa gua pun setiap pagi sebelum nak pergi kerja panaskanlah
> juga enjin Volvo kegemarannya. . Kemudian bila gua dah besar, dah
> pakai kereta sports dua pintu, gua pula ikut panaskan enjin kereta.
> Tapi sebenarnya gua tak buat. Sebab gua ada ilmu pengetahuan
> tentang enjin. Tambah lagi biasanya gua bangun lambat. Soalnya
> sekarang adakah pemanasan enjin ini perlu dilakukan? Apa
> kebaikannya dan apa keburukannya? Lagi satu kalau anda bijak
> laksana, siapa orang yang mula-mula panaskan enjin kenderaan di Malaysia
> ni?
>
>> Di negara-negara yang mementingkan penjagaan alam sekitar untuk
> kehidupan dunia yang lebih baik di masa mendatang, pemanasan enjin
> adalah tidak digalakkan dan sesetengahnya ditegah. Negara Kanada
> telah memulakan kempen nasional mereka untuk mengurangkan pemanasan
> enjin yang tidak diperlukan. Kempen yang sama turut dilakukan di Jepun , United Kingdom dan di
> Amerika Syarikat. Ada di antaranya sudah menetapkan satu
> undang-undang bahawa enjin kenderaan tidak boleh dibiarkan hidup
> dalam keadaan pepura (idling) melebihi 5 minit atau 3 minit bagi
> kenderaan ringan. Kenapa perkara ini ditegah?
>
>> The Canadian Office of Energy Efficiency telah bersetuju bahawa
> cara yang terbaik untuk memanaskan enjin adalah dengan memandunya.
> Walaupun suhu persekitaran berada di takat -20 darjah selsius,
> mereka menyarankan enjin kenderaan hanya perlu dipanaskan pada
> sekitar 15-30 saat sebelum meluncur ke jalanraya. Bayangkanlah
> berapa agaknya suhu di Malaysia ? Gua rasa
> memang dah tak payah nak panaskan enjin lagi dah. Start kereta
> terus jalan saja.
>
>> Salah seorang jurutera penghantaran kuasa di Ford, Amerika Syarikat
> iaitu Les Ryder berkata, "Engines run best at their design
> temperature" . Berdasarkan kenyataan Encik Les Ryder itu, operasi
> enjin yang cekap, bersih dan efisien hanya berlaku pada suhu enjin
> di tahap 85-90 darjah selsius. Oleh itu membiarkan enjin lu orang
> di dalam keadaan pepura (idling) adalah bukan cara yang terbaik
> atau terpantas untuk memanaskan enjin. Lebih baik jika memandunya
> atau dengan kata lain stail Amerika, lagi 'gentle' kalau pandu
> terus.
>
>> Tabiat memanaskan enjin atau membiarkan enjin berada di dalam
> keadaan pepura (idling) dikatakan adalah satu perkara yang tidak
> baik dan berfaedah. Pertamanya ia menyebabkan pembakaran bahanapi
> tidak dapat dilakukan dengan sempurna. Pembakaran tidak lengkap
> membawa kesan buruk kepada dinding silinder. Sisa bahan api yang
> tidak terbakar akan turun ke dinding silinder lalu membersihkan
> minyak pelincir yang berada di dinding silinder. Maka apa yang
> terjadi adalah dinding silinder akan mengalami kehausan akibat
> tiada pelinciran di bahagian sepatutnya. Bahan api yang tidak
> terbakar juga boleh jadi akan turun perlahan-lahan ke bahagian
> takung minyak pelincir. Apabila ia bergaul, sifat minyak pelicir
> akan berubah dan hilang kecekapannya.
>
>> Di samping itu, tabiat ini juga boleh mendatangkan masalah kepada
> palam pencucuh. Ia akan menganggu suhu kerja palam pencucuh. Palam
> pencucuh yang tidak berada di suhu sepatutnya akan menjadi kotor.
> Oleh yang demikian ia akan mendatangkan kesan kepada peningkatan
> bahan api sebanyak 5%.
>
>> Pada waktu pagi, sesetengah kenderaan biasanya akan mengeluarkan
> wap dari ekzos. Wap itu bukanlah wap minyak daripada enjin yang
> mengalami kehausan. Ia adalah wap air normal yang terhasil daripada
> enjin yang sejuk. Jadi apabila terlalu lama enjin dibiarkan dalam
> keadaan pepura (idling), bertambah lama untuk enjin mengambil masa
> untuk panas. Ini menyebabkan wap air akan sentiasa berada di dalam
> sistem ekzos yang mana akan menjadikan paip ekzos cepat berkarat.
>
>> Kenderaan pada masa kini biasanya akan terdapat sebuah komponen
> yang dinamakan Catalytic Converter pada sistem ekzosnya. Kereta-kereta Malaysia pun gua tengok
> dah mula pakai. Komponen ini disediakan bertujuan untuk mengurangkan
> tahap toksik yang terdapat pada sisa atau hasil pembakaran sebuah
> enjin pembakaran dalaman. Antara kerja yang dilakukan komponen ini
> termasuklah men-convert karbon monoksida kepada karbon dioksida,
> mengurangkan nitrogen oksida kepada nitrogen dan air, mengoksidakan
> hidrokarbon yang tidak terbakar kepada karbon dioksida dan air dan
> sebagainya. Jadi faedah yang boleh diperolehi daripada komponen ini
> ialah pencemaran udara dapat diminimakan.
>
>> Walaubagaimana pun, masalah yang timbul jika enjin berada di dalam
> keadaan pepura (idling), komponen ini tidak berfungsi. Maka enjin
> dengan sesuka hati dapat mencemarkan udara. Komponen ini akan
> berfungsi hanya pada tahap
>> suhu 400 - 800 darjah selsius yang dimana adalah pada satu kadar
> suhu yang sangat panas berbanding enjin. Semasa suhu itu ia akan
> bertindak menukar bahan tercemar dari sisa pembakaran enjin kepada
> bahan yang kurang berbahaya kepada alam sekitar. Bagi memastikan
> komponen ini cepat dan dapat berada di suhu yang mana ia boleh
> beroperasi, lu orang perlulah memandu. Bukan meninggalkan kereta
> hidup terbiar. Semakin lama enjin dibiarkan dalam keadaan pepura
> (idling) maka semakin lama juga Catalytic Converter ini tidur dan
> tak bekerja. Lu orang syak apa agaknya yang terjadi kepada alam
> sekitar?
>
>> Sekarang kita sudah mengetahui serba sedikit tentang keburukan
> memanaskan enjin. Ada
> tiga kesan yang penting di situ iaitu membazir bahan api,
> mencemarkan alam sekitar dan memunah wang ringgit. Mari kita lihat
> apa pula kebaikkan memanaskan enjin. Khabar-khabar angin mengatakan
> memanaskan enjin juga ada faedahnya. Salah satu perkara yang
> disebut adalah semasa enjin ditinggalkan di dalam satu tempoh yang
> agak lama, iaitu mungkin sehingga satu malam, bahan pelinciran akan
> turun meninggalkan komponen yang bergerak di dalam enjin ke
> bahagian bawah enjin. Jadi apabila kita mula menghidupkan enjin,
> kita perlu mengambil sedikit masa untuk memanaskannya supaya dapat
> memberi peluang bahan pelinciran itu naik dan beredar di setiap
> inci dan penjuru komponen dalaman enjin.
>
>> Ya perkara ini benar. Tetapi apa yang lu orang perlu tahu bahawa
> setiap enjin telah dilengkapkan dengan satu komponen yang dipanggil
> pam minyak pelincir. Pam minyak pelincir ini dijana oleh pusingan
> crankshaft. Makin laju crankshaft berpusing maka makin cepat pam
> bahan api berpusing seterusnya mengagihkan minyak pelincir ke
> bahagian dalaman enjin. Untuk memastikan crankshaft ini berpusing
> laju apa yang lu orang perlu buat? Adakah dengan hanya membiarkan
> enjin dalam keadaan pepura (idling)?
>
>> Kesimpulannya di sini tabiat memanaskan enjin di waktu pagi yang
> kononnya lagi lama lagi bagus adalah satu mitos yang tidak
> diketahui hujung pangkalnya. Perkara ikut-ikutan seperti ini
> bukanlah satu perkara yang asing bagi kita rakyat Malaysia
> . BMW sendiri pun cukup pantang kalau orang warm up enjin
> keretanya. Sebab dia orang tahu kalau enjin cepat rosak nanti mesti
> lu orang kompelin. Sebab itu kalau boleh BMW nak lepas hidup saja
> enjin kereta, terus blah cepat-cepat. Jangan tunggu-tunggu. Ini
> karang siap boleh masuk rumah pekena roti dua tiga keping, layan
> teh dulu sambil sembang-sembang dengan bini tapi enjin kereta
> terbiar hidup.
>
>> Satu perkara lagi yang boleh membantu mengurangkan pencemaran alam
> sekitar dan pembaziran bahan api adalah dengan mematikan enjin jika
> kenderaan lu orang tidak bergerak. Kalau tunggu makwe turun LRT,
> berhenti tepi jalan bergayut dengan telefon, tunggu bini masuk
> pasar mini beli barang dapur, dan tunggu anak balik sekolah depan
> pagar sekolah bawa bawalah matikan dulu enjin. Perkara itu tidak
> memberi sebarang faedah langsung malah boleh menyebabkan masalah
> pencemaran udara dan alam sekitar serta pembaziran wang ringgit.
> Sedarkah anda di dalam tempoh setahun, sikap mengurangkan enjin
> dibiarkan hidup dalam keadaan pepura (idling) ini mampu menjimatkan
> beratus ribu juta ringgit dan mampu menghentikan perlepasan jutaan
> tan gas rumah hijau ke atmosfera yang membawa pemanasan global.
>
>> Akhir kata setujukah anda bahawa memanaskan enjin di waktu pagi
> boleh menjahanamkan enjin dan dunia?
>
>> Save The Planet.
>
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Fwd: Mazda Astina 1.6(M) Fast Sale [2 Attachments]

Posted by: "Azmi OilyMan" mr.oilyman@gmail.com   oilymantech

Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:30 am (PDT)



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From: Faizal Dalimi <faizaldalimi@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:52 AM
Subject: [melayu-trade] Mazda Astina 1.6(M) Fast Sale [2 Attachments]
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Salam semua.

Subject: Mazda Astina Fast Sale

WELL MAINTAINED,4 DISC BRAKE, NICE INTERIOR,15" SPORT RIMS,
REGISTER 1994.FAST CASH SALE.
Call TO VIEW IN SHAH ALAM 010-2733406

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Iklan: Jawatan Kosong dalam syarikat NHF (automotive)

Posted by: "Abdul Rahman bin Johari" arahman@newhoongfatt.com.my   man_apache

Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:30 am (PDT)



Those people that going to join NHF will also received beneficial from
our attractive salary package which including:

* *Basic Salary
*
* *Allowance + Incentive + Overtime (based on position)
*
* *Permanent Employment*
* *5 days Week (For Manufacturing)*
* *Contribution of EPF & Socso*
* *Special Staff Price for Purchase NHF's Product*
* *Several Welfare Programs, Activities and Benefit*

** dont forget to say my name 3 times, if not u will not get the job.
hahaha just kidding....

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*
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_ Requirement: _
i) Minimum PMR/SPM.
ii) Able to work shift.
*1. Male Operator*
_ Requirement: _
i) Minimum PMR/SPM.
ii) Able to work shift. *1. Finance Clerk*
_Requirement:_
i) Minimum SPM.
ii) Minimum 1 year related working experience.
iii) Able to write & speak in Mandarin.
iv) Preferable female.
*2. Technician*
_Requirement:_
i) Minimum Diploma in Mechanical or Megatronic
or Electrical.
ii) With related working experience will be an advantage.
iii) Fresh graduate are encouraged to apply.
*2. Mould Technician*
_Requirement:_
i) Minimum PMR/SPM.
ii) With 2 years working experience related
to plastic mould.

*3. Machinist*
_Requirement:_
i) Minimum certificate (Vocational / Technical) or
Certificate in Mechanical.
ii) Minimum 1 year related working experience.
*3. Fabricator*
_Requirement:_
i) Minimum PMR/SPM.
ii) With arc welding skill, able to fabricate
rack & jig.
iii) Minimum 1 year related working experience.

*4. Leader*
_Requirement:_
i) Minimum SPM.
ii) Minimum 1 year related working experience.
*4. Product Development Executive*
_Requirement: _
i) Minimum Diploma.
ii) With related working experience will be an
advantage.
iii) Fresh graduate are encouraged to apply.
*5. HR Clerk*
_Requirement:_
i) Minimum SPM.
ii) With related working experience will be an advantage.


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_Requirement:_
i) Minimum Diploma.
ii) With related working experience will be an advantage.
iii) Fresh graduate are encouraged to apply.

*7. Operator Tool & Die*
_Requirement:_
i) Minimum PMR/SPM.
ii) With welding & grinding skill.



Abdul Rahman bin Johari/
NJ-TE Prod & Tool Development./
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