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1a.: Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

Posted by: "bashah" bwasi@yahoo.com bwasi

Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:53 pm (PDT)

Bila pula saya hendak berpolitik di sini ? Adakah saya menyebut sokong sifulan ? Sekarang bukanlah musim pilihanraya. Forum ini juga bukanlah medan pensyarah-pensyarah universiti untuk membuat tesis,penyelidikan atau SWOT analisis. Pembaca forum ini sudah cukup matang dan berpengalaman menilai sendiri. Saya cuma tulis pendapat saya, sepertimana penulis lain menulis pendapat mereka dan dilepaskan oleh Tuan Moderator. Tiada sebarang motivasi, visi atau misi bila saya menulis balik. Cuma saya tulis secara spontan. Spontan. Boleh saya ulangi ? Spontan. Mengapa pula saya yang perlu menghurai,berucap, why itu why ini ?. Saya bukan wakil rakyat. Saya orang biasa. Rakyat hendak dengar ucapan sayakah ?

Saya tidak malu dengan tulisan saya. Jika Encik Zamri atau ada lain-lain pula yang terasa malu, maka saya tidak dapat berbuat apa-apa dan tidak akan cuba menutup rasa malu En Zamri itu. Saya juga menulis secara umum tentang Malaysia dan bukan membidik kepada sesiapun di dalam forum ini. Sebaliknya, En Zamri telah membidik saya, tidak apalah. Wajar diulangi, saya tidak berpolitik dan oleh itu saya tidak memerlukan sokongan sesiapun. Saya faham di sini bukan medan tunjuk cerdik, atau medan tunjuk hebat. Namun demikian, apa yang benar, tetap benar. Bukan saya yang benar, tapi benar yang sebenar-benarnya. Namun, jika saya salah, lu fikirlah sendiri apa yang betul.

--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, zamri harun <zamlope@...> wrote:
>
> Sungguh malang bila kita mula mempolitikan apa sahaja. Begitu mudah bercakap dan mengutuk apalagi cakap cakap tersebut tidak perlu kepada kajian dan kebenaran. Pada pendapat saya, setiap kali kita mahu berhujah, kita perlukan hujah yang matang dan berintelek, yang dibuat sedikit analysis about 'why' do that and why dont. Cakap2 pasar yg tidak berlandasan kajian dan dayafikir ini adalah cakap2 politik yang murah. Fenomena cakap2 murah ini amatlah mewarnai negara sekarang. Ini semua adalah kerugian yg besar kepada negara bila rakyat semakin dibodohkan oleh politik dan cuba bercakap sesuatu yg mereka sendiri tidak arif tetapi cuba bertindak sebagai di pihak yang betul dan arif. Memalukan jika kita membaca tulisan dibawah.
>
> --- On Wed, 7/14/10, bashah <bwasi@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: bashah <bwasi@...>
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 2:21 AM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Sapa kata Malaysia developing nation?. Kita dah masuk tahap negara majulah..actually kita dah capai status sama dengan USA masa tahun 2005 lepas gawat 1998.
>
> Kita ialah juara forum, macam2 forum, dan juga macam2 sukan international F1, F2 , Moonsoon, Langkawi, Komanwel, Selatan-Selatan, . Selain itu kita juga dah jadi United Nation ..- banyak Indon , bangla, Gurkha. Itu bukti Malaysia adalah negara maju.
>
> jalan pulak sesak, dan banyak berlubang,dan banyk 'aksi'den, itu bukti kenderaan terlalu bnayk walaupun 3x ganda mahal..apalagi kalau dah murah...sebab itu Malaysia ialah negara maju.
>
> Selain kerja tetap, Kita juga buat part-time - oleh itu banyak MLM, Diamond, Intan, manager - dapat pulak bonus kereta....Bini pun kena kerja tak macam dulu2....so itu pun bukti kita negara maju.
>
> Tak perlu tunggu 2020.
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, sheerina reen <chomels76@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > Numbers given in this email are not verified. If anyone can confirm or add
> > similar figures, please feel free to reply this email.Â One comparison I found
> > is Avanza 1.3MTÂ in Indonesia is RM46,000 while in Malaysia its RM62,000.
> > Â
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> > Car Prices In Malaysia
> >
> > BMW 535isells for RM178,000 in the US
> >
> > In the United States of America (a developed country which we are also
> > Aspiring to become by the year 2020) a 2009 model BMW 535i Sedan is
> > Selling for about USD50,367.00. This is only RM178,000 ? about the
> > Price of a Toyota Camry 2.4L here in Malaysia . The same BMW sells in
> > Malaysia for about RM450,000.
> >
> >
> >
> > BMW 328isells for RM155,000 in the US
> >
> > The 2009 model BMW 328i 2 door Convertible sells for USD44,014 or
> > RM155,369.00 in the US . In Malaysia the same car sells for over
> > RM460,000.This is an untenable situation.
> > Â
> >
> >
> > Audi A4 2.0T Cabriolet Convertiblesells for RM142,000 in the US
> >
> > The 2009 model Audi A4 2 Door 2.0T Cabriolet Convertible sells in the
> > US for USD40,328.00 or RM142,357. In Malaysia the same car would sell
> > For about RM265,000.
> >
> >
> >
> > VW GTI 2.0Tsells for RM85,000 in the US
> >
> > In the US the 2009 model Volkswagen GTI 2.0T sells for USD 24,039 or
> > RM85,000 only. In Chinathe same car will cost around RM60,000. Over
> > Here the same VW car sells for about RM200,000.
> > Â
> >
> >
> > And the 2010 model Toyota Camry 2.4Lsells in the US for USD 19,659.00
> > Or RM69,396In Malaysia the 2008 Toyota Camry 2.4L sells for
> > RM170,000. Toyota Camry 2.4L, 2010 model. RM69,000 in the US
> >
> >
> > Car prices in Malaysia are about three times higher than the prices in The
> > United States .
> > We are a developing nation. Our land and labour Costs are so much cheaper than
> > the US . Why are our cars so expensive?
> > It does not make any sense. Tak masuk akal.
> >
> > Then here are some car prices from our neighbour Indonesia . The
> > Toyota Altissells in Indonesiafor about RM46,000. The same car sells
> > Here for around RM 112,000.Again we are three times more expensive
> > Than Indonesia .
> >
> > The Honda Jazz sells here for RM108,000.. In Indonesiathe Jazz sells
> > For RM 36,000. Three times more expensive.
> >
> > We are paying ridiculously high prices (and actually impoverishing the
> > Malays ? who are the largest buyers of cars in Malaysia) to support an
> > Out of date, out of touch with reality motor car policy.
> >
> > We are paying the highest car prices in the world to support the
> > Proton and other locally made cars as well as support a mind boggling
> > AP policy which only benefits a relatively few rich Malays. A Disproportionately
> > large number of Malays and other Malaysians are Being impoverished to subsidise
> > the wealth of a few inefficient rich.
> >
> >
> > 26 million Malaysians have to pay three times more for their cars just To
> > support Proton and 120,000 people who are directly and indirectly Involved in
> > the motor sector in Malaysia and the AP holders. That is a Ratio of 216:1.
> >
> > This ratio of 216:1 is too skewed. 26.0 million happier people can Contribute
> > many more votes than 120,000 members of an inefficient Motor industry. 26
> > million unhappy people can change a Government.
> > (The maths is not really difficult here)
> >
> > And this outdated policy is impoverishing the Malays more than anyone else.
> >
> > Here is some news from our DPM Tan Sri Muhyudin Yassin about our car
> > Policy. This is truncated:
> >
> > Muhyiddin assures govt support for automotive parts and component sector
> >
> > 1. KUALA LUMPUR, May 26 ? The deputy prime minister said special focus
> > Will be given to ?facilitate and encourage? the development of the
> > Automotive parts and component sector despite the current global and
> > Regional economic downturn.
> >
> > 2. ?Under the CEPT and Asean Trade in Goods Agreements, Malaysia has
> > Agreed to eliminate import duties on all products in the Normal Track
> > On January 1, 2010. This includes motor vehicles, auto parts and
> > Components,? he said.
> >
> > 3. He pointed out that . . . The motor vehicle sub sector in Malaysia
> > Will not be directly impacted because of its heavy dependence on the
> > Domestic market.
> >
> > 4. ?The Malaysian government recognises the contribution of the
> > Domestic automotive industry towards the development of the country.?
> >
> >
> > Para 2 sounds promising but then Para 3 and 4 basically says that the
> > Malaysian motor car industry will continue to be protected. This means
> > We will continue paying the highest car prices in the world for
> > Automobiles.
> >
> >
> > Cuba Kita kira : kalau kereta Honda Jazz di jual dengan harga yang
> > Sebenarnya (lebih kurang RM36,000 saja) Dan bukan pada harga sekarang
> > (RM108,000) maksudnya bayaran bulanan pembeli kereta akan jadi kurang,
> > mungkin sepertiga sahaja daripada bayaran bulanan sekarang.
> >
> >
> > Jika sekarang orang bayar RM1,500 sebulan untuk beli Honda Jazz, kalau
> > harga kereta lebih menepati harga pasaran dunia, orang kita perlu
> > bayar sekitar RM500 saja sebulan.
> >
> >
> > Maksudnya tanpa Kerajaan perlu membuat apa pun (merangsang ekonomi,
> > belanja berpuluh billion Ringgit duit rakyat untuk stimulus dan
> > sebagainya) setiap rakyat Malaysia yang membeli kereta yang seharga
> > dengan Honda Jazz akan dapat menjimatkan sehingga RM1,000 sebulan
> > daripada kos sara hidup bulanannya.
> >
> >
> > This is like giving the car buyer an RM1000 pay rise without incurring
> > any extra costs for the taxpayer, the Government or the economy. It
> > will greatly reduce the cost of living in Malaysia and spur greater
> > economic growth too.
> >
> >
> > Tapi sekarang, yang menjadi mangsa dulu dan yang menjadi miskin dulu
> > orang Melayu juga. Orang Melayu yang paling ramai sekali menjadi
> > pembeli kereta dalam negara kita. Orang Melayu kebanyakannya makan
> > gaji ? tiap bulan dapat gaji tetap. Bila harga kereta naik gila, yang
> > menjadi miskin di saf depan sekali adalah orang Melayu juga.
> >
> >
> > In absolute numbers, the Malays are suffering the most because they
> > are the most in number among the fixed income people who also buy
> > cars.
> >
> > Some folks said the other day that Proton has 150 major component
> > suppliers, dealers, distributors and about 500 other parts suppliers
> > too. Of the 150 major component suppliers, about 15 of them are listed
> > companies. In total they employ about 120,000 people. The Proton
> > supply chain is a mix of bumiputras and non bumiputras. But here is a
> > sad fact : none of them are operating at their level best efficiency.
> >
> >
> > Our motor car policy is forcing Malaysians to subsidise Proton so that
> > Proton can sustain major inefficiencies in the Malaysian economy. This
> > is not a good thing at all.
> >
> >
> > We have to unwind this situation. Set a target of 18 months from now
> > to unwind all protection for our motor industry. Remove the
> > impoverishing AP policy also in 18 months. Let Malaysian car prices
> > reflect world market prices for the same makes of cars.
> >
> >
> > If a BMW 535 sells for RM178,000 in America , it should sell for a
> > little less here in Malaysia (our rentals and salaries are cheaper).
> >
> >
> > The Ministers continue making pronouncements about the car industry as
> > though nothing has happened. I hope everyone will please wake up. The
> > Government has a real chance of getting thrown out of office in about
> > three years. The people will not accept inept answers anymore.
> >
> >
> > The ridiculous car prices in Malaysia is an issue that is just
> > beginning to get more attention and publicity. It is going to become a
> > really big issue in the near future. Be forewarned.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Share your memories online with anyone you want anyone you want.
> > ________________________________
> > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos.
> >
>

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1b.: Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

Posted by: "Nik MazdaBG" nikmazda@gmail.com nik_mazda

Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:54 pm (PDT)

ini bukan masalah untuk mempolitikkan sesuatu..ini adalah luahan hati
rakyat kepada sesuatu permasalahan yang sepatutnya tidak timbul dan
tidak membebankan rakyat..mungkin saudara Zamri Harun ni seorang yang
berkemampuan untuk membeli kereta mewah dengan harga yang jauh
melambung jika dibandingkan dengan harga di negara jiran..sebab itu
boleh berkata sedemikian rupa..jika tidak berkemampuan mungkin saudara
Zamri Harun berfikiran sebaliknya.

kewujudan proton tidak sepatutnya menjadikan kerajaan menidakkan hak
rakyat untuk memiliki jenama kereta lain pada harga yang
munasabah..cukai yang dinaikkan berlipat kali ganda adalah sangat
tidak munasabah..contohnya sudah ada dan tidak perlu dihuraikan lagi..

inginkan proton maju dan berdaya saing bukanlah dengan cara sebegini
rupa..keluarkan produk yang berkualiti dan setaraf dengan produk
eropah..jangan kata eropah..kita ambil contoh terdekat seperti produk
drp china dan korea..belum lagi nak dibandingkan dengan negara
jepun..kalau mutu produk sebegitu rupa..saya rasa usahkan kita rakyat
malaysia sahaja ingin beli proton, orang lain pun akan turut teruja.

malaysia bukanlah sebuah negara yang miskin yang bergantung kepada
hasil cukai kenderaan semata-mata..dengan KDNK yang sentiasa
meningkat..hasil bumi yang banyak..minyak & gas,kelapa
sawit..getah..kayu balak dll..seharusnya kerajaan sedar dan memikirkan
cara untuk memberi keselesaan kepada rakyat dalam semua segi..bukan
saja keamanan & kesejahteraan tetapi nikmat hidup sementara di dunia
ini..

mungkin rakyat malaysia terlalu berlembut dan tidak ambil kisah sangat
sehinggakan kerajaan terus menerus melakukan sesuatu yang tidak
menyenangkan rakyat..

sekian terima kasih

On 7/16/10, zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sungguh malang bila kita mula mempolitikan apa sahaja. Begitu mudah bercakap
> dan mengutuk apalagi cakap cakap tersebut tidak perlu kepada kajian dan
> kebenaran. Pada pendapat saya, setiap kali kita mahu berhujah, kita perlukan
> hujah yang matang dan berintelek, yang dibuat sedikit analysis about 'why'
> do that and why dont. Cakap2 pasar yg tidak berlandasan kajian dan dayafikir
> ini adalah cakap2 politik yang murah. Fenomena cakap2 murah ini amatlah
> mewarnai negara sekarang. Ini semua adalah kerugian yg besar kepada negara
> bila rakyat semakin dibodohkan oleh politik dan cuba bercakap sesuatu yg
> mereka sendiri tidak arif tetapi cuba bertindak sebagai di pihak yang betul
> dan arif. Memalukan jika kita membaca tulisan dibawah.
>
> --- On Wed, 7/14/10, bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com>
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 2:21 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sapa kata Malaysia developing nation?. Kita dah masuk tahap negara
> majulah..actually kita dah capai status sama dengan USA masa tahun 2005
> lepas gawat 1998.
>
> Kita ialah juara forum, macam2 forum, dan juga macam2 sukan international
> F1, F2 , Moonsoon, Langkawi, Komanwel, Selatan-Selatan, . Selain itu kita
> juga dah jadi United Nation ..- banyak Indon , bangla, Gurkha. Itu bukti
> Malaysia adalah negara maju.
>
> jalan pulak sesak, dan banyak berlubang,dan banyk 'aksi'den, itu bukti
> kenderaan terlalu bnayk walaupun 3x ganda mahal..apalagi kalau dah
> murah...sebab itu Malaysia ialah negara maju.
>
> Selain kerja tetap, Kita juga buat part-time - oleh itu banyak MLM, Diamond,
> Intan, manager - dapat pulak bonus kereta....Bini pun kena kerja tak macam
> dulu2....so itu pun bukti kita negara maju.
>
> Tak perlu tunggu 2020.
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, sheerina reen <chomels76@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> Numbers given in this email are not verified. If anyone can confirm or add
>>
>> similar figures, please feel free to reply this email. One comparison I
>> found
>> is Avanza 1.3MT in Indonesia is RM46,000 while in Malaysia its RM62,000.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Car Prices In Malaysia
>>
>> BMW 535isells for RM178,000 in the US
>>
>> In the United States of America (a developed country which we are also
>> Aspiring to become by the year 2020) a 2009 model BMW 535i Sedan is
>> Selling for about USD50,367.00. This is only RM178,000 ? about the
>> Price of a Toyota Camry 2.4L here in Malaysia . The same BMW sells in
>> Malaysia for about RM450,000.
>>
>>
>>
>> BMW 328isells for RM155,000 in the US
>>
>> The 2009 model BMW 328i 2 door Convertible sells for USD44,014 or
>> RM155,369.00 in the US . In Malaysia the same car sells for over
>> RM460,000.This is an untenable situation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Audi A4 2.0T Cabriolet Convertiblesells for RM142,000 in the US
>>
>> The 2009 model Audi A4 2 Door 2.0T Cabriolet Convertible sells in the
>> US for USD40,328.00 or RM142,357. In Malaysia the same car would sell
>> For about RM265,000.
>>
>>
>>
>> VW GTI 2.0Tsells for RM85,000 in the US
>>
>> In the US the 2009 model Volkswagen GTI 2.0T sells for USD 24,039 or
>> RM85,000 only. In Chinathe same car will cost around RM60,000. Over
>> Here the same VW car sells for about RM200,000.
>>
>>
>>
>> And the 2010 model Toyota Camry 2.4Lsells in the US for USD 19,659.00
>> Or RM69,396In Malaysia the 2008 Toyota Camry 2.4L sells for
>> RM170,000. Toyota Camry 2.4L, 2010 model. RM69,000 in the US
>>
>>
>> Car prices in Malaysia are about three times higher than the prices in The
>>
>> United States .
>> We are a developing nation. Our land and labour Costs are so much cheaper
>> than
>> the US . Why are our cars so expensive?
>> It does not make any sense. Tak masuk akal.
>>
>> Then here are some car prices from our neighbour Indonesia . The
>> Toyota Altissells in Indonesiafor about RM46,000. The same car sells
>> Here for around RM 112,000.Again we are three times more expensive
>> Than Indonesia .
>>
>> The Honda Jazz sells here for RM108,000.. In Indonesiathe Jazz sells
>> For RM 36,000. Three times more expensive.
>>
>> We are paying ridiculously high prices (and actually impoverishing the
>> Malays ? who are the largest buyers of cars in Malaysia) to support an
>> Out of date, out of touch with reality motor car policy.
>>
>> We are paying the highest car prices in the world to support the
>> Proton and other locally made cars as well as support a mind boggling
>> AP policy which only benefits a relatively few rich Malays. A
>> Disproportionately
>> large number of Malays and other Malaysians are Being impoverished to
>> subsidise
>> the wealth of a few inefficient rich.
>>
>>
>> 26 million Malaysians have to pay three times more for their cars just To
>> support Proton and 120,000 people who are directly and indirectly Involved
>> in
>> the motor sector in Malaysia and the AP holders. That is a Ratio of 216:1.
>>
>> This ratio of 216:1 is too skewed. 26.0 million happier people can
>> Contribute
>> many more votes than 120,000 members of an inefficient Motor industry. 26
>> million unhappy people can change a Government.
>> (The maths is not really difficult here)
>>
>> And this outdated policy is impoverishing the Malays more than anyone
>> else.
>>
>> Here is some news from our DPM Tan Sri Muhyudin Yassin about our car
>> Policy. This is truncated:
>>
>> Muhyiddin assures govt support for automotive parts and component sector
>>
>> 1. KUALA LUMPUR, May 26 ? The deputy prime minister said special focus
>> Will be given to ?facilitate and encourage? the development of the
>> Automotive parts and component sector despite the current global and
>> Regional economic downturn.
>>
>> 2. ?Under the CEPT and Asean Trade in Goods Agreements, Malaysia has
>> Agreed to eliminate import duties on all products in the Normal Track
>> On January 1, 2010. This includes motor vehicles, auto parts and
>> Components,? he said.
>>
>> 3. He pointed out that . . . The motor vehicle sub sector in Malaysia
>> Will not be directly impacted because of its heavy dependence on the
>> Domestic market.
>>
>> 4. ?The Malaysian government recognises the contribution of the
>> Domestic automotive industry towards the development of the country.?
>>
>>
>> Para 2 sounds promising but then Para 3 and 4 basically says that the
>> Malaysian motor car industry will continue to be protected. This means
>> We will continue paying the highest car prices in the world for
>> Automobiles.
>>
>>
>> Cuba Kita kira : kalau kereta Honda Jazz di jual dengan harga yang
>> Sebenarnya (lebih kurang RM36,000 saja) Dan bukan pada harga sekarang
>> (RM108,000) maksudnya bayaran bulanan pembeli kereta akan jadi kurang,
>> mungkin sepertiga sahaja daripada bayaran bulanan sekarang.
>>
>>
>> Jika sekarang orang bayar RM1,500 sebulan untuk beli Honda Jazz, kalau
>> harga kereta lebih menepati harga pasaran dunia, orang kita perlu
>> bayar sekitar RM500 saja sebulan.
>>
>>
>> Maksudnya tanpa Kerajaan perlu membuat apa pun (merangsang ekonomi,
>> belanja berpuluh billion Ringgit duit rakyat untuk stimulus dan
>> sebagainya) setiap rakyat Malaysia yang membeli kereta yang seharga
>> dengan Honda Jazz akan dapat menjimatkan sehingga RM1,000 sebulan
>> daripada kos sara hidup bulanannya.
>>
>>
>> This is like giving the car buyer an RM1000 pay rise without incurring
>> any extra costs for the taxpayer, the Government or the economy. It
>> will greatly reduce the cost of living in Malaysia and spur greater
>> economic growth too.
>>
>>
>> Tapi sekarang, yang menjadi mangsa dulu dan yang menjadi miskin dulu
>> orang Melayu juga. Orang Melayu yang paling ramai sekali menjadi
>> pembeli kereta dalam negara kita. Orang Melayu kebanyakannya makan
>> gaji ? tiap bulan dapat gaji tetap. Bila harga kereta naik gila, yang
>> menjadi miskin di saf depan sekali adalah orang Melayu juga.
>>
>>
>> In absolute numbers, the Malays are suffering the most because they
>> are the most in number among the fixed income people who also buy
>> cars.
>>
>> Some folks said the other day that Proton has 150 major component
>> suppliers, dealers, distributors and about 500 other parts suppliers
>> too. Of the 150 major component suppliers, about 15 of them are listed
>> companies. In total they employ about 120,000 people. The Proton
>> supply chain is a mix of bumiputras and non bumiputras. But here is a
>> sad fact : none of them are operating at their level best efficiency.
>>
>>
>> Our motor car policy is forcing Malaysians to subsidise Proton so that
>> Proton can sustain major inefficiencies in the Malaysian economy. This
>> is not a good thing at all.
>>
>>
>> We have to unwind this situation. Set a target of 18 months from now
>> to unwind all protection for our motor industry. Remove the
>> impoverishing AP policy also in 18 months. Let Malaysian car prices
>> reflect world market prices for the same makes of cars.
>>
>>
>> If a BMW 535 sells for RM178,000 in America , it should sell for a
>> little less here in Malaysia (our rentals and salaries are cheaper).
>>
>>
>> The Ministers continue making pronouncements about the car industry as
>> though nothing has happened. I hope everyone will please wake up. The
>> Government has a real chance of getting thrown out of office in about
>> three years. The people will not accept inept answers anymore.
>>
>>
>> The ridiculous car prices in Malaysia is an issue that is just
>> beginning to get more attention and publicity. It is going to become a
>> really big issue in the near future. Be forewarned.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Share your memories online with anyone you want anyone you want.
>> ________________________________
>> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos.
>>
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>
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1c.: Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

Posted by: "almustaqeem" almustaqeem@yahoo.com almustaqeem

Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:54 pm (PDT)

salam...

kete mahal... minyak pon dah naik harga (lagi), roadtax tahun2 kena bayar... tol bersepah jalan sikit tol... jalan sikit tol...

tapi kenderaan tetap banyak di jalan raya....

miskin kah kita??? ;-p

--- On Fri, 7/16/10, zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Cc: bwasi@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 12:50 PM

Sungguh malang bila kita mula mempolitikan apa sahaja. Begitu mudah bercakap dan mengutuk apalagi cakap cakap tersebut tidak perlu kepada kajian dan kebenaran. Pada pendapat saya, setiap kali kita mahu berhujah, kita perlukan hujah yang matang dan berintelek, yang dibuat sedikit analysis about 'why' do that and why dont. Cakap2 pasar yg tidak berlandasan kajian dan dayafikir ini adalah cakap2 politik yang murah. Fenomena cakap2 murah ini amatlah mewarnai negara sekarang. Ini semua adalah kerugian yg besar kepada negara bila rakyat semakin dibodohkan oleh politik dan cuba bercakap sesuatu yg mereka sendiri tidak arif tetapi cuba bertindak sebagai di pihak yang betul dan arif. Memalukan jika kita membaca tulisan dibawah.

--- On Wed, 7/14/10, bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com>
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 2:21 AM

Sapa kata Malaysia developing nation?. Kita dah masuk tahap negara majulah..actually kita dah capai status sama dengan USA masa tahun 2005 lepas gawat 1998.

Kita ialah juara forum, macam2 forum, dan juga macam2 sukan international F1, F2 , Moonsoon, Langkawi, Komanwel, Selatan-Selatan, . Selain itu kita juga dah jadi United Nation ..- banyak Indon , bangla, Gurkha. Itu bukti Malaysia adalah negara maju.

jalan pulak sesak, dan banyak berlubang,dan banyk 'aksi'den, itu bukti kenderaan terlalu bnayk walaupun 3x ganda mahal..apalagi kalau dah murah...sebab itu Malaysia ialah negara maju.

Selain kerja tetap, Kita juga buat part-time - oleh itu banyak MLM, Diamond, Intan, manager - dapat pulak bonus kereta....Bini pun kena kerja tak macam dulu2....so itu pun bukti kita negara maju.

Tak perlu tunggu 2020.

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> Numbers given in this email are not verified. If anyone can confirm or add
> similar figures, please feel free to reply this email. One comparison I found
> is Avanza 1.3MT in Indonesia is RM46,000 while in Malaysia its RM62,000.
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> BMW 535isells for RM178,000 in the US
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> In the United States of America (a developed country which we are also
> Aspiring to become by the year 2020) a 2009 model BMW 535i Sedan is
> Selling for about
USD50,367.00. This is only RM178,000 ? about the
> Price of a Toyota Camry 2.4L here in Malaysia . The same BMW sells in
> Malaysia for about RM450,000.
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> BMW 328isells for RM155,000 in the US
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> The 2009 model BMW 328i 2 door Convertible sells for USD44,014 or
> RM155,369.00 in the US . In Malaysia the same car sells for over
> RM460,000.This is an untenable situation.
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> Audi A4 2.0T Cabriolet Convertiblesells for RM142,000 in the US
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> The 2009 model Audi A4 2 Door 2.0T Cabriolet Convertible sells in the
> US for USD40,328.00 or RM142,357. In Malaysia the same car would sell
> For about RM265,000.
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> VW GTI 2.0Tsells for RM85,000 in the US
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> In the US the 2009 model Volkswagen GTI 2.0T sells for USD 24,039 or
> RM85,000 only. In Chinathe same car will cost around
RM60,000. Over
> Here the same VW car sells for about RM200,000.
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> And the 2010 model Toyota Camry 2.4Lsells in the US for USD 19,659.00
> Or RM69,396In Malaysia the 2008 Toyota Camry 2.4L sells for
> RM170,000. Toyota Camry 2.4L, 2010 model. RM69,000 in the US
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> Car prices in Malaysia are about three times higher than the prices in The
> United States .
> We are a developing nation. Our land and labour Costs are so much cheaper than
> the US . Why are our cars so expensive?
> It does not make any sense. Tak masuk akal.
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> Then here are some car prices from our neighbour Indonesia . The
> Toyota Altissells in Indonesiafor about RM46,000. The same car sells
> Here for around RM 112,000.Again we are three times more expensive
> Than Indonesia .
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> The Honda Jazz sells here for RM108,000.. In Indonesiathe
Jazz sells
> For RM 36,000. Three times more expensive.
>
> We are paying ridiculously high prices (and actually impoverishing the
> Malays ? who are the largest buyers of cars in Malaysia) to support an
> Out of date, out of touch with reality motor car policy.
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> We are paying the highest car prices in the world to support the
> Proton and other locally made cars as well as support a mind boggling
> AP policy which only benefits a relatively few rich Malays. A Disproportionately
> large number of Malays and other Malaysians are Being impoverished to subsidise
> the wealth of a few inefficient rich.
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> 26 million Malaysians have to pay three times more for their cars just To
> support Proton and 120,000 people who are directly and indirectly Involved in
> the motor sector in Malaysia and the AP holders. That is a Ratio of 216:1.
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>
This ratio of 216:1 is too skewed. 26.0 million happier people can Contribute
> many more votes than 120,000 members of an inefficient Motor industry. 26
> million unhappy people can change a Government.
> (The maths is not really difficult here)
>
> And this outdated policy is impoverishing the Malays more than anyone else.
>
> Here is some news from our DPM Tan Sri Muhyudin Yassin about our car
> Policy. This is truncated:
>
> Muhyiddin assures govt support for automotive parts and component sector
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> 1. KUALA LUMPUR, May 26 ? The deputy prime minister said special focus
> Will be given to ?facilitate and encourage? the development of the
> Automotive parts and component sector despite the current global and
> Regional economic downturn.
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> 2. ?Under the CEPT and Asean Trade in Goods Agreements, Malaysia has
> Agreed to eliminate import
duties on all products in the Normal Track
> On January 1, 2010. This includes motor vehicles, auto parts and
> Components,? he said.
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> 3. He pointed out that . . . The motor vehicle sub sector in Malaysia
> Will not be directly impacted because of its heavy dependence on the
> Domestic market.
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> 4. ?The Malaysian government recognises the contribution of the
> Domestic automotive industry towards the development of the country.?
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> Para 2 sounds promising but then Para 3 and 4 basically says that the
> Malaysian motor car industry will continue to be protected. This means
> We will continue paying the highest car prices in the world for
> Automobiles.
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> Cuba Kita kira : kalau kereta Honda Jazz di jual dengan harga yang
> Sebenarnya (lebih kurang RM36,000 saja) Dan bukan pada harga sekarang
> (RM108,000) maksudnya
bayaran bulanan pembeli kereta akan jadi kurang,
> mungkin sepertiga sahaja daripada bayaran bulanan sekarang.
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> Jika sekarang orang bayar RM1,500 sebulan untuk beli Honda Jazz, kalau
> harga kereta lebih menepati harga pasaran dunia, orang kita perlu
> bayar sekitar RM500 saja sebulan.
>
>
> Maksudnya tanpa Kerajaan perlu membuat apa pun (merangsang ekonomi,
> belanja berpuluh billion Ringgit duit rakyat untuk stimulus dan
> sebagainya) setiap rakyat Malaysia yang membeli kereta yang seharga
> dengan Honda Jazz akan dapat menjimatkan sehingga RM1,000 sebulan
> daripada kos sara hidup bulanannya.
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> This is like giving the car buyer an RM1000 pay rise without incurring
> any extra costs for the taxpayer, the Government or the economy. It
> will greatly reduce the cost of living in Malaysia and spur greater
> economic growth
too.
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>
> Tapi sekarang, yang menjadi mangsa dulu dan yang menjadi miskin dulu
> orang Melayu juga. Orang Melayu yang paling ramai sekali menjadi
> pembeli kereta dalam negara kita. Orang Melayu kebanyakannya makan
> gaji ? tiap bulan dapat gaji tetap. Bila harga kereta naik gila, yang
> menjadi miskin di saf depan sekali adalah orang Melayu juga.
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> In absolute numbers, the Malays are suffering the most because they
> are the most in number among the fixed income people who also buy
> cars.
>
> Some folks said the other day that Proton has 150 major component
> suppliers, dealers, distributors and about 500 other parts suppliers
> too. Of the 150 major component suppliers, about 15 of them are listed
> companies. In total they employ about 120,000 people. The Proton
> supply chain is a mix of bumiputras and non bumiputras. But here is
a
> sad fact : none of them are operating at their level best efficiency.
>
>
> Our motor car policy is forcing Malaysians to subsidise Proton so that
> Proton can sustain major inefficiencies in the Malaysian economy. This
> is not a good thing at all.
>
>
> We have to unwind this situation. Set a target of 18 months from now
> to unwind all protection for our motor industry. Remove the
> impoverishing AP policy also in 18 months. Let Malaysian car prices
> reflect world market prices for the same makes of cars.
>
>
> If a BMW 535 sells for RM178,000 in America , it should sell for a
> little less here in Malaysia (our rentals and salaries are cheaper).
>
>
> The Ministers continue making pronouncements about the car industry as
> though nothing has happened. I hope everyone will please wake up. The
> Government has a
real chance of getting thrown out of office in about
> three years. The people will not accept inept answers anymore.
>
>
> The ridiculous car prices in Malaysia is an issue that is just
> beginning to get more attention and publicity. It is going to become a
> really big issue in the near future. Be forewarned.
>
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2a.: Re: tanya tentang spring wira 1.6 dan spring waja

Posted by: "Shahrul Izwan" Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com

Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:54 pm (PDT)

Salam,

Byk info yg saya dpt dr mekanik ialah walaupun spring waja & wira 1.6
menggunakan mounting yg sama, spring Waja agak panjang sedikit..mungkin yg
tu yg membuatkan keta sedara terjungkit keatas..saya rekemen sedara menten
spring wira 1.6 utk depan dan belakang sebab byk kes wira bile owner boh
spring waja,keta diorng Nampak terlalu tinggi..byk clearance antara tayar
dgn wheel well...tapi kalau sedara dok selalu bawak org,sedara bule try guna
spring waja utk suspension belakang, xderla Nampak turun sgt belakng tu bile
bawak muatan..keta saya lani guna spring ori 1.5 utk depan dan spring 1.6
utk belakang..

Ada org kata spring Honda Civic EG bule digunakan utk ganti spring belakang
Wira..

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From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Hisham Mohd
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:59 PM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - tanya tentang spring wira 1.6 dan spring
waja

saya nak tanya sikit coz saya keliru dengan 2 benda ni iaitu spring wira 1.6
dan spring waja.
ada orang cakap spring wira 1.6 dan spring waja sama je ..
baru baru ni saya telah memasang absorber dan spring waja pada depan wira
1.5 sedan saya , manakala di bahagian belakang wira 1.5 sedan saya , saya
telah memasang absorber waja dan spring wira 1.6 tapi tengok tengok kereta
saya macam tinggi sebelah je iaitu pada bahagian depan agak tinggi dan
bahagian belakang kereta saya macam rendah je ..adakah ini berpunca dengan
spring wira 1.6 pada bahagian belakang wira saya ?
harap dapat membantu ..
terima kasih

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