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1a.: Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

Posted by: "baddRi Rozaimi" zordaq@yahoo.com zordaq

Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:21 pm (PDT)

Apa nak jadi.. jadi laa.. yang aku tahu cari duit nak hidup.. agak kerajaan naik
harga aku pangkah pembangkang.. pembangkang naik harga aku pangkah lain laak..
pening gak nak pikir semua.. harap membe support aku punya business.. barang2
aku tak naik..

Mohd Badri Ibrahim - Badd
0123556142
Zordaq Sdn Bhd
G01 02 Jalan SM02 Taman Subang Mas,
47260 Subang Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia.
http://www.ezordaq.com
Spare Part - High Performance - Accessories Car

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From: almustaqeem <almustaqeem@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 9:24:53 AM
Subject:Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

kereta kita mahal... minyak kita mahal... tol kita banyak giler....
tapi....

Malaysia's car sales to hit record high in 2010KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia â€"
Malaysia's auto sales rose a stronger-than- expected 20 percent in the first
six months of 2010 and are expected to hit a record high this year despite
higher interest rates and a fuel price hike, an industry group said Tuesday.

Sales in Southeast Asia's largest passenger car market rose to 301,077 vehicles
in the January-June period, up from 251,305 a year earlier and the highest ever
for a six-month period, the Malaysian Automotive Association said.

The association raised its full-year sales forecast to 570,000 vehicles, up
from 550,000 earlier, citing strong consumer sentiment amid a robust economic
recovery and greater stability in the job market.

Its president Aishah Ahmad said two interest rate hikes in the first half of
the year and a recent fuel price increase had minimal impact on sales as the
increases were marginal.
"There will still be a lot of interest in vehicle purchase. We expect a record
year," she told reporters.

Compact car maker Perodua retained its leadership with a market share of 31.5
percent, followed by national carmaker Proton with a 26.6 percent share.
Japanese carmaker Toyota Motor Corp. secured 14.8 percent of the market,
followed by Honda Motor Co. with 7.4 percent and Nissan Motor Co. with 5.8
percent.

Last year, auto sales fell 2 percent to 536,905 vehicles. The highest ever
sales were recorded in 2005 at 552,614 vehicles.

Malaysia's economy has rebounded from a recession in 2009 and is forecast to
grow 6 percent this year after expanding 10.1 percent year-on-year in the first
quarter, its fastest pace in a decade.

Earlier in July the government cut fuel subsidies by about 3 percent to curb
its fiscal deficit and said more hikes are expected. That raised the gasoline
price to 1.85 ringgit (58 cents) a liter and diesel to 1.75 ringgit (55 cents)
a liter.

Aishah said gasoline price is still the cheapest in the region despite the
hike, compared to 4.12 ringgit ($1.30) in Thailand, 2.48 ringgit (78 cents) in
Indonesia and 6.60 ($2.10) in the Philippines.

Some customers may opt for smaller fuel-efficient cars but it is unlikely to
hurt car sales if the fuel price hikes are gradual, she said.

The association, which groups some 40 car manufacturers and distributors,
projected sales to rise to 581,000 vehicles in 2011, and to surge to 618,000 by
2014.

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Cinan <nuriez76@rocketmail .com> wrote:

>From: Cinan <nuriez76@rocketmail .com>
>Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 1:03 AM
>
>
>
>Kita sebenarnya idup mengemis kat negara sendiri. Memang betul sesetengah
>pendapat, umpama negara kita nie tak punya apa-apa sumber. Sedangkan dimata
>rakyat, pemimpin mendabik dada mengisytiharkan rakyat malaysia lah yang
>sepatutnya tadah tangan bersyukur kepada kerajaan kerana nikmat pembangunan yang
>diberi oleh kerajaan pemerintah.
>
>Negara kita seperti tak ada loji carigali minyak di dalam negeri, sehinggakan
>minyak kita paling antara yang mahal di kalangan negara pengeluar minyak. (nak
>nampak murah, balik-balik harga minyak kita dibandingkan dengan singapura, depa
>mana loji sendiri).
>
>Harga kereta mengalahkan harga rumah kos sederhana. Nak murah beli kereta cap
>malaysia, tetapi teknologi masih lagi menyadur dari kereta jepun 5 tahun lepas.
>Mari bezakan dengan jenama Korea (kini dah tembus pasaran US & eropah akibat
>peningkatan teknologi & ciri keselamatan & piawaian product yang ketat) pasaran
>semakin meluas, seterusnya meningkatlah jumlah pengeluaran, maka boleh lah
>direndahkan harga bagi keluaran tempatan. Tak percaya buka web korea/jepun
>tengok sendiri harga tempatan kereta mereka berapa. (orang proton, produa, MITI
>kena pi belajar asas ekonomi lagi nie)
>
>P/s:- kekadang tertanya-tanya, apa kesudahannya cerita lawak di malaysia
>nie....
>
>
>
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From: baddRi Rozaimi <zordaq@yahoo. com>
>To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>Sent: Monday, 19 July 2010 11:38:14
>Subject:Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>
>
>Entah laa.. aku pun rasa pelik... aku rasa dia orang naik sebab nak cover bonus
>kot.. yg sedia ada untuk bulan2 dia orang jer... so kita laa yg akan bg bonus
>raya kat dia orang.. sedih..saman speed track dah kena bayar.. nak gi jalan2
>kena bayar...( tol laa.. minyak laa.makan lg.).. cukai sana sini.(cukai kereta
>laa.. pintu.. tanah laa..mcam2 cukai) . harga kereta tinggi.. mcam beli kat
>negara luar.. minyak mahal mcam kita beli kat US.. gula naik mcam kita takde
>ladang tebu....orang yang akan merana org gaji bawah RM3000.00.. kena ada
>keluarga.. mampus laa si bapak tu.. kerja laa siang malam.. nak dapat rm1000
>lg.. haha pening..
>
>
>1 Malaysia ..
>Rakyat Didahulukan Duit ... Pencapaian Baru Diutamakan
> Mohd Badri Ibrahim - Badd
>0123556142
>Zordaq Sdn Bhd
>G01 02 Jalan SM02 Taman Subang Mas,
>47260 Subang Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia.
>http://www.ezordaq. com
>Spare Part - High Performance - Accessories Car
>
>
>
>
>
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From: almustaqeem <almustaqeem@ yahoo.com>
>To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 5:41:29 PM
>Subject:Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>
>
>salam...
>
>kete mahal... minyak pon dah naik harga (lagi), roadtax tahun2 kena bayar... tol
>bersepah jalan sikit tol... jalan sikit tol...
>
>
>tapi kenderaan tetap banyak di jalan raya....
>
>miskin kah kita??? ;-p
>
>--- On Fri, 7/16/10, zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com>
>>Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>>To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>>Cc: bwasi@yahoo. com
>>Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 12:50 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>Sungguh malang bila kita mula mempolitikan apa sahaja. Begitu mudah bercakap dan
>>mengutuk apalagi cakap cakap tersebut tidak perlu kepada kajian dan kebenaran.
>>Pada pendapat saya, setiap kali kita mahu berhujah, kita perlukan hujah yang
>>matang dan berintelek, yang dibuat sedikit analysis about 'why' do that and why
>>dont. Cakap2 pasar yg tidak berlandasan kajian dan dayafikir ini adalah cakap2
>>politik yang murah. Fenomena cakap2 murah ini amatlah mewarnai negara sekarang.
>>Ini semua adalah kerugian yg besar kepada negara bila rakyat semakin dibodohkan
>>oleh politik dan cuba bercakap sesuatu yg mereka sendiri tidak arif tetapi cuba
>>bertindak sebagai di pihak yang betul dan arif. Memalukan jika kita membaca
>>tulisan dibawah.
>>
>>--- On Wed, 7/14/10, bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com>
>>>Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>>>To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>>>Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 2:21 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Sapa kata Malaysia developing nation?. Kita dah masuk tahap negara
>>>majulah..actually kita dah capai status sama dengan USA masa tahun 2005 lepas
>>>gawat 1998.
>>>
>>>Kita ialah juara forum, macam2 forum, dan juga macam2 sukan international F1, F2
>>>, Moonsoon, Langkawi, Komanwel, Selatan-Selatan, . Selain itu kita juga dah jadi
>>>United Nation ..- banyak Indon , bangla, Gurkha. Itu bukti Malaysia adalah
>>>negara maju.
>>>
>>>
>>>jalan pulak sesak, dan banyak berlubang,dan banyk 'aksi'den, itu bukti kenderaan
>>>terlalu bnayk walaupun 3x ganda mahal..apalagi kalau dah murah...sebab itu
>>>Malaysia ialah negara maju.
>>>
>>>
>>>Selain kerja tetap, Kita juga buat part-time - oleh itu banyak MLM, Diamond,
>>>Intan, manager - dapat pulak bonus kereta....Bini pun kena kerja tak macam
>>>dulu2....so itu pun bukti kita negara maju.
>>>
>>>
>>>Tak perlu tunggu 2020.
>>>
>>>--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, sheerina reen <chomels76@.. .> wrote:
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>>>> Subject: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
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>>>>
>>>> Numbers given in this email are not verified. If anyone can confirm or add
>>>> similar figures, please feel free to reply this email. One comparison I found
>>>
>>>> is Avanza 1.3MT in Indonesia is RM46,000 while in Malaysia its RM62,000.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Car Prices In Malaysia
>>>>
>>>> BMW 535isells for RM178,000 in the US
>>>>
>>>> In the United States of America (a developed country which we are also
>>>> Aspiring to become by the year 2020) a 2009 model BMW 535i Sedan is
>>>> Selling for about USD50,367.00. This is only RM178,000 ? about the
>>>> Price of a Toyota Camry 2.4L here in Malaysia . The same BMW sells in
>>>> Malaysia for about RM450,000.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BMW 328isells for RM155,000 in the US
>>>>
>>>> The 2009 model BMW 328i 2 door Convertible sells for USD44,014 or
>>>> RM155,369.00 in the US . In Malaysia the same car sells for over
>>>> RM460,000.This is an untenable situation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Audi A4 2.0T Cabriolet Convertiblesells for RM142,000 in the US
>>>>
>>>> The 2009 model Audi A4 2 Door 2.0T Cabriolet Convertible sells in the
>>>> US for USD40,328.00 or RM142,357. In Malaysia the same car would sell
>>>> For about RM265,000.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> VW GTI 2.0Tsells for RM85,000 in the US
>>>>
>>>> In the US the 2009 model Volkswagen GTI 2.0T sells for USD 24,039 or
>>>> RM85,000 only. In Chinathe same car will cost around RM60,000. Over
>>>> Here the same VW car sells for about RM200,000.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And the 2010 model Toyota Camry 2.4Lsells in the US for USD 19,659.00
>>>> Or RM69,396In Malaysia the 2008 Toyota Camry 2.4L sells for
>>>> RM170,000. Toyota Camry 2.4L, 2010 model. RM69,000 in the US
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Car prices in Malaysia are about three times higher than the prices in The
>>>> United States .
>>>> We are a developing nation. Our land and labour Costs are so much cheaper than
>>>
>>>> the US . Why are our cars so expensive?
>>>> It does not make any sense. Tak masuk akal.
>>>>
>>>> Then here are some car prices from our neighbour Indonesia . The
>>>> Toyota Altissells in Indonesiafor about RM46,000. The same car sells
>>>> Here for around RM 112,000.Again we are three times more expensive
>>>> Than Indonesia .
>>>>
>>>> The Honda Jazz sells here for RM108,000.. In Indonesiathe Jazz sells
>>>> For RM 36,000. Three times more expensive.
>>>>
>>>> We are paying ridiculously high prices (and actually impoverishing the
>>>> Malays ? who are the largest buyers of cars in Malaysia) to support an
>>>> Out of date, out of touch with reality motor car policy.
>>>>
>>>> We are paying the highest car prices in the world to support the
>>>> Proton and other locally made cars as well as support a mind boggling
>>>> AP policy which only benefits a relatively few rich Malays. A
>>>>Disproportionately
>>>>
>>>> large number of Malays and other Malaysians are Being impoverished to subsidise
>>>>
>>>> the wealth of a few inefficient rich.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 26 million Malaysians have to pay three times more for their cars just To
>>>> support Proton and 120,000 people who are directly and indirectly Involved in
>>
>>>> the motor sector in Malaysia and the AP holders. That is a Ratio of 216:1.
>>>>
>>>> This ratio of 216:1 is too skewed. 26.0 million happier people can Contribute
>>>
>>>> many more votes than 120,000 members of an inefficient Motor industry. 26
>>>> million unhappy people can change a Government.
>>>> (The maths is not really difficult here)
>>>>
>>>> And this outdated policy is impoverishing the Malays more than anyone else.
>>>>
>>>> Here is some news from our DPM Tan Sri Muhyudin Yassin about our car
>>>> Policy. This is truncated:
>>>>
>>>> Muhyiddin assures govt support for automotive parts and component sector
>>>>
>>>> 1. KUALA LUMPUR, May 26 ? The deputy prime minister said special focus
>>>> Will be given to ?facilitate and encourage? the development of the
>>>> Automotive parts and component sector despite the current global and
>>>> Regional economic downturn.
>>>>
>>>> 2. ?Under the CEPT and Asean Trade in Goods Agreements, Malaysia has
>>>> Agreed to eliminate import duties on all products in the Normal Track
>>>> On January 1, 2010. This includes motor vehicles, auto parts and
>>>> Components,? he said.
>>>>
>>>> 3. He pointed out that . . . The motor vehicle sub sector in Malaysia
>>>> Will not be directly impacted because of its heavy dependence on the
>>>> Domestic market.
>>>>
>>>> 4. ?The Malaysian government recognises the contribution of the
>>>> Domestic automotive industry towards the development of the country.?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Para 2 sounds promising but then Para 3 and 4 basically says that the
>>>> Malaysian motor car industry will continue to be protected. This means
>>>> We will continue paying the highest car prices in the world for
>>>> Automobiles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cuba Kita kira : kalau kereta Honda Jazz di jual dengan harga yang
>>>> Sebenarnya (lebih kurang RM36,000 saja) Dan bukan pada harga sekarang
>>>> (RM108,000) maksudnya bayaran bulanan pembeli kereta akan jadi kurang,
>>>> mungkin sepertiga sahaja daripada bayaran bulanan sekarang.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jika sekarang orang bayar RM1,500 sebulan untuk beli Honda Jazz, kalau
>>>> harga kereta lebih menepati harga pasaran dunia, orang kita perlu
>>>> bayar sekitar RM500 saja sebulan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maksudnya tanpa Kerajaan perlu membuat apa pun (merangsang ekonomi,
>>>> belanja berpuluh billion Ringgit duit rakyat untuk stimulus dan
>>>> sebagainya) setiap rakyat Malaysia yang membeli kereta yang seharga
>>>> dengan Honda Jazz akan dapat menjimatkan sehingga RM1,000 sebulan
>>>> daripada kos sara hidup bulanannya.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is like giving the car buyer an RM1000 pay rise without incurring
>>>> any extra costs for the taxpayer, the Government or the economy. It
>>>> will greatly reduce the cost of living in Malaysia and spur greater
>>>> economic growth too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tapi sekarang, yang menjadi mangsa dulu dan yang menjadi miskin dulu
>>>> orang Melayu juga. Orang Melayu yang paling ramai sekali menjadi
>>>> pembeli kereta dalam negara kita. Orang Melayu kebanyakannya makan
>>>> gaji ? tiap bulan dapat gaji tetap. Bila harga kereta naik gila, yang
>>>> menjadi miskin di saf depan sekali adalah orang Melayu juga.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In absolute numbers, the Malays are suffering the most because they
>>>> are the most in number among the fixed income people who also buy
>>>> cars.
>>>>
>>>> Some folks said the other day that Proton has 150 major component
>>>> suppliers, dealers, distributors and about 500 other parts suppliers
>>>> too. Of the 150 major component suppliers, about 15 of them are listed
>>>> companies. In total they employ about 120,000 people. The Proton
>>>> supply chain is a mix of bumiputras and non bumiputras. But here is a
>>>> sad fact : none of them are operating at their level best efficiency.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our motor car policy is forcing Malaysians to subsidise Proton so that
>>>> Proton can sustain major inefficiencies in the Malaysian economy. This
>>>> is not a good thing at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have to unwind this situation. Set a target of 18 months from now
>>>> to unwind all protection for our motor industry. Remove the
>>>> impoverishing AP policy also in 18 months. Let Malaysian car prices
>>>> reflect world market prices for the same makes of cars.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If a BMW 535 sells for RM178,000 in America , it should sell for a
>>>> little less here in Malaysia (our rentals and salaries are cheaper).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Ministers continue making pronouncements about the car industry as
>>>> though nothing has happened. I hope everyone will please wake up. The
>>>> Government has a real chance of getting thrown out of office in about
>>>> three years. The people will not accept inept answers anymore.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The ridiculous car prices in Malaysia is an issue that is just
>>>> beginning to get more attention and publicity. It is going to become a
>>>> really big issue in the near future. Be forewarned.
>>>>
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1b.: Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

Posted by: "bashah" bwasi@yahoo.com bwasi

Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:23 pm (PDT)

Proton will be no. 1 car brand in the world IF the build-standard is higher than Toyota. Logic or Not ?

Proton crash test @ you -tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAYFu-xPug&feature=related

--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, "agai@..." <agai_disini@...> wrote:
>
> Salam Tuan Mod dan semua
>
> Saya bukan nak tujukan email ni kepada sesiapa atau mempolitikkan apa2...
> cuma sekadar pandangan..
>
> Cakap pasal R&D, Proton memang ada R&D. Mungkin ada dikalangan ahli yahoogroup
> ni yang
> keja di Proton, so anda memang arif tentang hal ni. Saya pernah buat lawatan ke
> kilang proton di Shah Alam,
> memang ada satu unit R&D yang bangunannya asing dari bangunan lain. Maknanya ada
> kesungguhan kat situ nak jalankan usaha R&D. Bila saya masuk kat situ, banyak
> sekali kelengkapan, peralatan tentang R&D, sehinggakan ada mcm satu mini robot
> yang duk bukak dan tutup pintu keta waja 24x7, tujuannya nak uji ketahanan pintu
> tu. Maknanya di situ, ada kesungguhan nak buat R&D. Ok, peralatan dan ada,
> kesungguhan dah ada...tapi finishing yang takde. kenapa sy ckp finishing takde,
> sebab pintu keta Proton tetap ada masalah yang sama sejak 25 tahun lepas. Dalam
> hal ni, peranan memilih vendor tu amat penting.
> Dari apa yg saya tau, kebanyakan syarikat yang membekalkan sekecil2 komponen
> sehingga sebesar2 komponen adalah syarikat tempatan yang kebanyakannya adalah
> syarikat Bumiputera. Tapi mintak maaf ckp, syarikat2 ni semua pada saya tak
> strong, baik dr segi teknologi mahupun kewangan. Persoalannya di sini, kalau dah
> tak strong, kenapa masih dipilih menjadi vendor? Jawapannya banyak...dan anda
> semua boleh fikir sendiri...saya taknak uratakan jawapan sy sebab banyak jawapan
> yg mungkin boleh dimuatkan di situ.
>
> Come on la...syarikat vendor yang supply komponen ni kena la strong dan
> berkualiti. Ni nak buat keta ni bang...nak bawak bapak orang, mak orang, anak
> orang ni...bukan nak bawak barang...klu nak bawak barang je tak kisah la sgt.
> Dan perlu kita ingat, kebanyakan pembeli kereta Proton adalah dari kalangan
> mereka yang berpendapatan sederhana. Kalau orang yang berpendapatan mewah, saya
> jamin dorang takkan beli proton. Bukan sebab nak perlekeh proton, tapi yang
> mewah ni mampu untuk membeli dan menggunakan kereta yg mahal. Jadi yang golongan
> sederhana nilah yang duk guna keta Proton hari2...so sy rasa dah smpi masanya
> untuk Proton berubah ke hadapan dan utamakan bab finishing yg sy ckp tadi tu.
> Bab teknologi, klu dah 5 tahun terkebelakang compare dari Jepun, nak buat
> camana....dah itu yang kita dapat dengan kemampuan dan bajet usahama Proton.
> Tapi bab finishing tu la yang sepatutnya kena jaga sebab orang akan menilai dari
> segi finishing tu apabila melihat sebuah keta Proton model baru bila ada dalam
> showroom.
>
> Sebagai perbandingan yang adil....kita cuba bandingkan keta yang sama kelas dan
> harga lebih kurang. Macam Exora dan Avanza. Klu dari segi design, memang Proton
> dah tinggalkan jauh Toyota ni. Tapi cuba bandingkan dari segi kualiti
> komponen...mcm tayar masa kat showroom....proton guna banyak vendor...Toyota
> hanya guna 1 atau 2 vendor sahaja,...itupun Bridgestone dan satu lagi yang ada
> jenama. dari segi kualiti pintu, tingkap, kusyen, penghawa dingin dan beberapa
> aksesori lain. Rasanya Avanza yang orang duk ckp keta kotak tu yang jauh
> kehadapan.
>
>
> Untuk maju, kita kena telus...berdaya saing dan bermatlamat tinggi. sapa2 yang
> tak mampu jadi vendor, tak boleh nak bagi kualiti yg terbaikÂ jangan diambil
> sebagai vendor. Tak kira la syarikat vendor tu syarikat kawan ke, adik beradik
> ke, orang besar itu punya ke...orang kecik itu punya ke...klu dia tak perform,
> forget it. yang penting hasil kerja yang bakal dinilai dan digunakan oleh orang
> awam untuk puluhan tahun akan datang terjamin dan berbaloi....
>
> Sekian, pandangan 1/2 sen dari sy..
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@...>
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2010 11:45:27
> Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>
> Â
> Salam,
>
> 1. kondem atau kritik kalau diambil dengan cara positif boleh membina. cara
> penyampaian antara kita berbeza, cara penerimaan ayat orang lain pun berbeza.
> tak guna kita bertekak kat sini, tapi penyampaian pada pihak yg sepatutnya tidak
> sampai. mungkin kita boleh fikirkan satu cara utk menyampaikan saranan/pandangan
> kita pada org yg sepatutnya. dalam kes ini, KPDN (hal minyak), PROTON (hal
> quality yg selalu dipertikaikan)
>
> 2. saya kurang setuju bila utk menjadi negara maju kita harus beralih dari
> pertanian kepada perindustrian. bagi saya, tak kira apa produk kita, kita harus
> majukan produk tersebut. bagi pertanian, kita boleh ambil guna konsep pertanian
> moden (bio-research - baik pulih benih pokok). lihat sahaja MPOB, MARDI yg buat
> research sehingga dah ada santan dari kelapa sawit. Â jadi, pada saya utk jadi
> negara maju, kita kena majukan apa sahaja produk yg kita ada. bukannya bertukar
> alih arah. (kesian juga pada petani peladang kalau semua beralih arah kepada
> perindustrian, bukan?)
>
> 3. proton harus ada R&D. tingkatkan teknologi khusus utk negara kita. iklim
> negara ataupun kualiti jalanraya kita tak sama macam jepun mahupun jerman. macam
> kurang sesuai kalau kita ambil, dan tukar jenama utk diguna pakai pada jalanraya
> kita.
>
> 4. saya antara orang yang teruja dengan BLM, bukan sebab keretanya, tapi sebab
> saya dapat tahu reka-cipta dari orang tempatan. nah, kita sudah ada R&D,
> bangunkan lagi R&D tu. BLM dah murah apa, average 35K... kereta bersaiz
> sederhana kompak yg lain...city ? vios ? mazda3...jauh harganya. tapi kalau
> bandingkan dari segi keselamatan, BLM kat mana ya ? disitu R&D proton harus main
> peranan.
>
> 5. perlindungan itu ada baik ada buruk. sama je konsep subsidi. sama juga konsep
> kita jaga anak (mahupun dijaga masa kecil dahulu). dari kecik dididik, diajar,
> dilindungi. bila dah besar, ko pikir sendiri, jalan sendiri, buat keputusan
> sendiri. agak2nya 25 tahun tak cukup ke utk PROTON berdiri dikaki sendiri ?
>
> 6. saya setuju dengan black canary bab pemilihan vendor. masakan pokok bergoyang
> kalau angin tidak bertiup, bukan? rasanya pemilihan vendor PROTON kena lebih
> telus kot. baru orang boleh percaya vendor bukan kalangan kroni.... cumanya,
> kalau kita pun ada power to decide... kalau kita tahu kawan kita Ali mmg tahu
> buat bumper... takkan kita nak bagi kat Abu yg walaupun boleh buat bumper...tapi
> kita tak pernah tengok cara dia bekerja.ntahlah.
>
> ini cuma pandangan peribadi, tak ada niat nak tuju pada sesiapa.Â
>
> harap maklum.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> --- On Mon, 7/19/10, zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
> >From: zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com>
> >Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
> >To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> >Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 4:51 PM
> >
> >
> >Â
> >Salam,
> >Saya minta maaf kpd Sdr Bashah jika beliau berkecil hati.
> >Saya sebenarnya sudah agak gelisah dengan pandangan2 berbau politik. Saya tidak
> >bias kpd mana2 parti politik tetapi saya phobia kpd unsur2 mengondem di antara
> >kita terutamanya org2 Melayu.
> >
> >Proton diwujudkan oleh kerajaan diantaranya ialah untuk membawa negara menjadi
> >negara yg berorientasikan perindustrian. Bukan sahaja industri kereta tetapi
> >lain2 juga ini termasuklah kilang2, plant2, makmal2 moden dan lain lain. Untuk
> >mencapai taraf negara maju dengan segera kita mestilah beralih dari negara
> >pertanian ke nagara perindustrian.
> >
> >Utk menjamin kejayaan proton ini di pasaran negara sendiri yg pertamanya
> >kerajaan haruslah membuat beberapa kaedah perlindungan kerana sudah tentu
> >protonÂ dengan usianya yg mentah tidak akan dapat bersaing dgn jenama2 luar
> >negara yg sedia amat canggih dengan R&Dnya dan teknologinya. ( perlulah diingat,
> >kejayaan proton dinegara sendiri adalah merupakan kejayaan kerajaan, kejayaan
> >kerajaan pula adalah merupakan kejayaan rakyat, hasil tax dan sebagainya akan
> >kembali disalurkan semula kepada rakyat dalam bentuk yang lain pula seperti
> >barangkali rawatan kesihatan percuma, sistem persekolahan yang percuma dan juga
> >kerajaan mampu memberi berbagai subsidy, samaada tepung, gula, minyak dan
> >lain2).
> >
> >Masa berlalu dan kita mengharapkan proton sudah boleh bersaing dgn lain2 jenama
> >dan dgn itu tax kepada kereta luar haruslah dikaji semula. Sampai bila2 proton
> >tidak akan dapat bersaing dgn jenama2 spt honda atau toyota, ini adalah kerana
> >proton masih tidak mampu membangunkan R&D nya sebagaimana Toyota kerana mungkin
> >masalah duit. Keuntungan proton belum boleh dibelanjakan utk itu semua kerana
> >keuntungan tersebut amat ciput. Itu semua hanya boleh menampung kos operasi dan
> >sedikit dividen utk share holder barangkali. Namun kita tetap harus bangga
> >kerana dalam kedaifan itu, mereka masih mampu membangunkan model2 baru yg dari
> >segi mutu tidaklah terlalu jauh bezanya dgn lain2 jenama.
> >
> >Kalau semua tax tersebut dihapuskan, sudahlah pasti 80% pasaran negara akan
> >diambil oleh jenama2 hebat tersebut dan proton akan nazak. Nazaknya proton akan
> >menazakkan pula ribuan pekerjanya yg terdiri drpd mereka2 yg bernama Ahmad,
> >Mamat dan Minah itu. Industri2 hilirannya seperti vendor2 yg melambak di Nilai,
> >Rawang dan lain2 akan turut bungkus dan ini akan pula memberi kesan kepada
> >ribuan lg rakyat jelata.
> >
> >Untuk pengetahuan Nik dan Bashah, saya hanya memandu wira tahun 2000, ianya
> >masih elok cuma sesekali trotle bodynya tidak stabil, tukar sahaja kitnya yg
> >berharga rm 35. Saya juga seperti insan2 lain bercita2 utk memandu Toyota Civic
> >atau H Accord namun itu semua hanyalah untuk memenuhkan kehendak riak saya buat
> >masa ini kerana saya memang belum mampu, insyaAllah one day namun walaupun wira
> >saya berumur 10 tahun, ianya tetap reliable, tahniah proton.
> >
> >--- On Fri, 7/16/10, Nik MazdaBG <nikmazda@gmail. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From: Nik MazdaBG <nikmazda@gmail. com>
> >>Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
> >>To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> >>Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 2:08 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>Â
> >>ini bukan masalah untuk mempolitikkan sesuatu..ini adalah luahan hati
> >>rakyat kepada sesuatu permasalahan yang sepatutnya tidak timbul dan
> >>tidak membebankan rakyat..mungkin saudara Zamri Harun ni seorang yang
> >>berkemampuan untuk membeli kereta mewah dengan harga yang jauh
> >>melambung jika dibandingkan dengan harga di negara jiran..sebab itu
> >>boleh berkata sedemikian rupa..jika tidak berkemampuan mungkin saudara
> >>Zamri Harun berfikiran sebaliknya.
> >>
> >>kewujudan proton tidak sepatutnya menjadikan kerajaan menidakkan hak
> >>rakyat untuk memiliki jenama kereta lain pada harga yang
> >>munasabah..cukai yang dinaikkan berlipat kali ganda adalah sangat
> >>tidak munasabah..contohny a sudah ada dan tidak perlu dihuraikan lagi..
> >>
> >>inginkan proton maju dan berdaya saing bukanlah dengan cara sebegini
> >>rupa..keluarkan produk yang berkualiti dan setaraf dengan produk
> >>eropah..jangan kata eropah..kita ambil contoh terdekat seperti produk
> >>drp china dan korea..belum lagi nak dibandingkan dengan negara
> >>jepun..kalau mutu produk sebegitu rupa..saya rasa usahkan kita rakyat
> >>malaysia sahaja ingin beli proton, orang lain pun akan turut teruja.
> >>
> >>malaysia bukanlah sebuah negara yang miskin yang bergantung kepada
> >>hasil cukai kenderaan semata-mata. .dengan KDNK yang sentiasa
> >>meningkat..hasil bumi yang banyak..minyak & gas,kelapa
> >>sawit..getah. .kayu balak dll..seharusnya kerajaan sedar dan memikirkan
> >>cara untuk memberi keselesaan kepada rakyat dalam semua segi..bukan
> >>saja keamanan & kesejahteraan tetapi nikmat hidup sementara di dunia
> >>ini..
> >>
> >>mungkin rakyat malaysia terlalu berlembut dan tidak ambil kisah sangat
> >>sehinggakan kerajaan terus menerus melakukan sesuatu yang tidak
> >>menyenangkan rakyat..
> >>
> >>sekian terima kasih
> >>
> >>On 7/16/10, zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >>> Sungguh malang bila kita mula mempolitikan apa sahaja. Begitu mudah bercakap
> >>> dan mengutuk apalagi cakap cakap tersebut tidak perlu kepada kajian dan
> >>> kebenaran. Pada pendapat saya, setiap kali kita mahu berhujah, kita perlukan
> >>> hujah yang matang dan berintelek, yang dibuat sedikit analysis about 'why'
> >>> do that and why dont. Cakap2 pasar yg tidak berlandasan kajian dan dayafikir
> >>> ini adalah cakap2 politik yang murah. Fenomena cakap2 murah ini amatlah
> >>> mewarnai negara sekarang. Ini semua adalah kerugian yg besar kepada negara
> >>> bila rakyat semakin dibodohkan oleh politik dan cuba bercakap sesuatu yg
> >>> mereka sendiri tidak arif tetapi cuba bertindak sebagai di pihak yang betul
> >>> dan arif. Memalukan jika kita membaca tulisan dibawah.
> >>>
> >>> --- On Wed, 7/14/10, bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com>
> >>> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
> >>> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> >>> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 2:21 AM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sapa kata Malaysia developing nation?. Kita dah masuk tahap negara
> >>> majulah..actually kita dah capai status sama dengan USA masa tahun 2005
> >>> lepas gawat 1998.
> >>>
> >>> Kita ialah juara forum, macam2 forum, dan juga macam2 sukan international
> >>> F1, F2 , Moonsoon, Langkawi, Komanwel, Selatan-Selatan, . Selain itu kita
> >>> juga dah jadi United Nation ..- banyak Indon , bangla, Gurkha. Itu bukti
> >>> Malaysia adalah negara maju.
> >>>
> >>> jalan pulak sesak, dan banyak berlubang,dan banyk 'aksi'den, itu bukti
> >>> kenderaan terlalu bnayk walaupun 3x ganda mahal..apalagi kalau dah
> >>> murah...sebab itu Malaysia ialah negara maju.
> >>>
> >>> Selain kerja tetap, Kita juga buat part-time - oleh itu banyak MLM, Diamond,
> >>> Intan, manager - dapat pulak bonus kereta....Bini pun kena kerja tak macam
> >>> dulu2....so itu pun bukti kita negara maju.
> >>>
> >>> Tak perlu tunggu 2020.
> >>>
> >>> --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, sheerina reen <chomels76@ .> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Numbers given in this email are not verified. If anyone can confirm or add
> >>>>
> >>>> similar figures, please feel free to reply this email.Â One comparison I
> >>>> found
> >>>> is Avanza 1.3MTÂ in Indonesia is RM46,000 while in Malaysia its RM62,000.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Car Prices In Malaysia
> >>>>
> >>>> BMW 535isells for RM178,000 in the US
> >>>>
> >>>> In the United States of America (a developed country which we are also
> >>>> Aspiring to become by the year 2020) a 2009 model BMW 535i Sedan is
> >>>> Selling for about USD50,367.00. This is only RM178,000 ? about the
> >>>> Price of a Toyota Camry 2.4L here in Malaysia . The same BMW sells in
> >>>> Malaysia for about RM450,000.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> BMW 328isells for RM155,000 in the US
> >>>>
> >>>> The 2009 model BMW 328i 2 door Convertible sells for USD44,014 or
> >>>> RM155,369.00 in the US . In Malaysia the same car sells for over
> >>>> RM460,000.This is an untenable situation.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Audi A4 2.0T Cabriolet Convertiblesells for RM142,000 in the US
> >>>>
> >>>> The 2009 model Audi A4 2 Door 2.0T Cabriolet Convertible sells in the
> >>>> US for USD40,328.00 or RM142,357. In Malaysia the same car would sell
> >>>> For about RM265,000.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> VW GTI 2.0Tsells for RM85,000 in the US
> >>>>
> >>>> In the US the 2009 model Volkswagen GTI 2.0T sells for USD 24,039 or
> >>>> RM85,000 only. In Chinathe same car will cost around RM60,000. Over
> >>>> Here the same VW car sells for about RM200,000.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And the 2010 model Toyota Camry 2.4Lsells in the US for USD 19,659.00
> >>>> Or RM69,396In Malaysia the 2008 Toyota Camry 2.4L sells for
> >>>> RM170,000. Toyota Camry 2.4L, 2010 model. RM69,000 in the US
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Car prices in Malaysia are about three times higher than the prices in The
> >>>>
> >>>> United States .
> >>>> We are a developing nation. Our land and labour Costs are so much cheaper
> >>>> than
> >>>> the US . Why are our cars so expensive?
> >>>> It does not make any sense. Tak masuk akal.
> >>>>
> >>>> Then here are some car prices from our neighbour Indonesia . The
> >>>> Toyota Altissells in Indonesiafor about RM46,000. The same car sells
> >>>> Here for around RM 112,000.Again we are three times more expensive
> >>>> Than Indonesia .
> >>>>
> >>>> The Honda Jazz sells here for RM108,000.. In Indonesiathe Jazz sells
> >>>> For RM 36,000. Three times more expensive.
> >>>>
> >>>> We are paying ridiculously high prices (and actually impoverishing the
> >>>> Malays ? who are the largest buyers of cars in Malaysia) to support an
> >>>> Out of date, out of touch with reality motor car policy.
> >>>>
> >>>> We are paying the highest car prices in the world to support the
> >>>> Proton and other locally made cars as well as support a mind boggling
> >>>> AP policy which only benefits a relatively few rich Malays. A
> >>>> Disproportionately
> >>>> large number of Malays and other Malaysians are Being impoverished to
> >>>> subsidise
> >>>> the wealth of a few inefficient rich.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 26 million Malaysians have to pay three times more for their cars just To
> >>>> support Proton and 120,000 people who are directly and indirectly Involved
> >>>> in
> >>>> the motor sector in Malaysia and the AP holders. That is a Ratio of 216:1.
> >>>>
> >>>> This ratio of 216:1 is too skewed. 26.0 million happier people can
> >>>> Contribute
> >>>> many more votes than 120,000 members of an inefficient Motor industry. 26
> >>>> million unhappy people can change a Government.
> >>>> (The maths is not really difficult here)
> >>>>
> >>>> And this outdated policy is impoverishing the Malays more than anyone
> >>>> else.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is some news from our DPM Tan Sri Muhyudin Yassin about our car
> >>>> Policy. This is truncated:
> >>>>
> >>>> Muhyiddin assures govt support for automotive parts and component sector
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. KUALA LUMPUR, May 26 ? The deputy prime minister said special focus
> >>>> Will be given to ?facilitate and encourage? the development of the
> >>>> Automotive parts and component sector despite the current global and
> >>>> Regional economic downturn.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. ?Under the CEPT and Asean Trade in Goods Agreements, Malaysia has
> >>>> Agreed to eliminate import duties on all products in the Normal Track
> >>>> On January 1, 2010. This includes motor vehicles, auto parts and
> >>>> Components,? he said.
> >>>>
> >>>> 3. He pointed out that . . . The motor vehicle sub sector in Malaysia
> >>>> Will not be directly impacted because of its heavy dependence on the
> >>>> Domestic market.
> >>>>
> >>>> 4. ?The Malaysian government recognises the contribution of the
> >>>> Domestic automotive industry towards the development of the country.?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Para 2 sounds promising but then Para 3 and 4 basically says that the
> >>>> Malaysian motor car industry will continue to be protected. This means
> >>>> We will continue paying the highest car prices in the world for
> >>>> Automobiles.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cuba Kita kira : kalau kereta Honda Jazz di jual dengan harga yang
> >>>> Sebenarnya (lebih kurang RM36,000 saja) Dan bukan pada harga sekarang
> >>>> (RM108,000) maksudnya bayaran bulanan pembeli kereta akan jadi kurang,
> >>>> mungkin sepertiga sahaja daripada bayaran bulanan sekarang.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jika sekarang orang bayar RM1,500 sebulan untuk beli Honda Jazz, kalau
> >>>> harga kereta lebih menepati harga pasaran dunia, orang kita perlu
> >>>> bayar sekitar RM500 saja sebulan.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Maksudnya tanpa Kerajaan perlu membuat apa pun (merangsang ekonomi,
> >>>> belanja berpuluh billion Ringgit duit rakyat untuk stimulus dan
> >>>> sebagainya) setiap rakyat Malaysia yang membeli kereta yang seharga
> >>>> dengan Honda Jazz akan dapat menjimatkan sehingga RM1,000 sebulan
> >>>> daripada kos sara hidup bulanannya.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This is like giving the car buyer an RM1000 pay rise without incurring
> >>>> any extra costs for the taxpayer, the Government or the economy. It
> >>>> will greatly reduce the cost of living in Malaysia and spur greater
> >>>> economic growth too.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Tapi sekarang, yang menjadi mangsa dulu dan yang menjadi miskin dulu
> >>>> orang Melayu juga. Orang Melayu yang paling ramai sekali menjadi
> >>>> pembeli kereta dalam negara kita. Orang Melayu kebanyakannya makan
> >>>> gaji ? tiap bulan dapat gaji tetap. Bila harga kereta naik gila, yang
> >>>> menjadi miskin di saf depan sekali adalah orang Melayu juga.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In absolute numbers, the Malays are suffering the most because they
> >>>> are the most in number among the fixed income people who also buy
> >>>> cars.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some folks said the other day that Proton has 150 major component
> >>>> suppliers, dealers, distributors and about 500 other parts suppliers
> >>>> too. Of the 150 major component suppliers, about 15 of them are listed
> >>>> companies. In total they employ about 120,000 people. The Proton
> >>>> supply chain is a mix of bumiputras and non bumiputras. But here is a
> >>>> sad fact : none of them are operating at their level best efficiency.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Our motor car policy is forcing Malaysians to subsidise Proton so that
> >>>> Proton can sustain major inefficiencies in the Malaysian economy. This
> >>>> is not a good thing at all.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> We have to unwind this situation. Set a target of 18 months from now
> >>>> to unwind all protection for our motor industry. Remove the
> >>>> impoverishing AP policy also in 18 months. Let Malaysian car prices
> >>>> reflect world market prices for the same makes of cars.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If a BMW 535 sells for RM178,000 in America , it should sell for a
> >>>> little less here in Malaysia (our rentals and salaries are cheaper).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The Ministers continue making pronouncements about the car industry as
> >>>> though nothing has happened. I hope everyone will please wake up. The
> >>>> Government has a real chance of getting thrown out of office in about
> >>>> three years. The people will not accept inept answers anymore.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The ridiculous car prices in Malaysia is an issue that is just
> >>>> beginning to get more attention and publicity. It is going to become a
> >>>> really big issue in the near future. Be forewarned.
> >>>>
> >>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
> >>>> Share your memories online with anyone you want anyone you want.
> >>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
> >>>> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos.
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1c.: Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

Posted by: "EAX550mm512" hbabasri@yahoo.com hbabasri

Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:24 pm (PDT)

dua dua memberi pandangan yang mampan dan bernas...
maklumat yg baik.tahmiah!!

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 11:45 AM

Salam,
1. kondem atau kritik kalau diambil dengan cara positif boleh membina. cara penyampaian antara kita berbeza, cara penerimaan ayat orang lain pun berbeza. tak guna kita bertekak kat sini, tapi penyampaian pada pihak yg sepatutnya tidak sampai. mungkin kita boleh fikirkan satu cara utk menyampaikan saranan/pandangan kita pada org yg sepatutnya. dalam kes ini, KPDN (hal minyak), PROTON (hal quality yg selalu dipertikaikan)
2. saya kurang setuju bila utk menjadi negara maju kita harus beralih dari pertanian kepada perindustrian. bagi saya, tak kira apa produk kita, kita harus majukan produk tersebut. bagi pertanian, kita boleh ambil guna konsep pertanian moden (bio-research - baik pulih benih pokok). lihat sahaja MPOB, MARDI yg buat research sehingga dah ada santan dari kelapa sawit. jadi, pada saya utk jadi
negara maju, kita kena majukan apa sahaja produk yg kita ada. bukannya bertukar alih arah. (kesian juga pada petani peladang kalau semua beralih arah kepada perindustrian, bukan?) 3. proton harus ada R&D. tingkatkan teknologi khusus utk negara kita. iklim negara ataupun kualiti jalanraya kita tak sama macam jepun mahupun jerman. macam kurang sesuai kalau kita ambil, dan tukar jenama utk diguna pakai pada jalanraya kita.
4. saya antara orang yang teruja dengan BLM, bukan sebab keretanya, tapi sebab saya dapat tahu reka-cipta dari orang tempatan. nah, kita sudah ada R&D, bangunkan lagi R&D tu. BLM dah murah apa, average 35K... kereta bersaiz sederhana kompak yg lain...city ? vios ? mazda3...jauh harganya. tapi kalau bandingkan dari segi keselamatan, BLM kat mana ya ? disitu R&D proton harus main peranan.
5. perlindungan itu ada baik ada buruk. sama je konsep
subsidi. sama juga konsep kita jaga anak (mahupun dijaga masa kecil dahulu). dari kecik dididik, diajar, dilindungi. bila dah besar, ko pikir sendiri, jalan sendiri, buat keputusan sendiri. agak2nya 25 tahun tak cukup ke utk PROTON berdiri dikaki sendiri ?
6. saya setuju dengan black canary bab pemilihan vendor. masakan pokok bergoyang kalau angin tidak bertiup, bukan? rasanya pemilihan vendor PROTON kena lebih telus kot. baru orang boleh percaya vendor bukan kalangan kroni.... cumanya, kalau kita pun ada power to decide... kalau kita tahu kawan kita Ali mmg tahu buat bumper... takkan kita nak bagi kat Abu yg walaupun boleh buat bumper...tapi kita tak pernah tengok cara dia bekerja.ntahlah.
ini cuma pandangan peribadi, tak ada niat nak tuju pada sesiapa.
harap maklum.

rgds,Nazri Ahtar

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Mon, 7/19/10, zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 4:51 PM

Salam,
Saya minta maaf kpd Sdr Bashah jika beliau berkecil hati.
Saya sebenarnya sudah agak gelisah dengan pandangan2 berbau politik. Saya tidak bias kpd mana2 parti politik tetapi saya phobia kpd unsur2 mengondem di antara kita terutamanya org2 Melayu.

Proton diwujudkan oleh kerajaan diantaranya ialah untuk membawa negara menjadi negara yg berorientasikan perindustrian. Bukan sahaja industri kereta tetapi lain2 juga ini termasuklah kilang2, plant2, makmal2 moden dan lain lain. Untuk mencapai taraf negara maju dengan segera kita mestilah beralih dari negara pertanian ke nagara perindustrian.

Utk menjamin kejayaan proton ini di pasaran negara sendiri yg pertamanya kerajaan haruslah membuat beberapa kaedah perlindungan kerana sudah tentu proton dengan usianya yg mentah tidak akan dapat bersaing dgn jenama2 luar negara yg sedia amat canggih dengan R&Dnya dan teknologinya. ( perlulah diingat, kejayaan proton dinegara sendiri adalah merupakan kejayaan kerajaan, kejayaan kerajaan pula adalah merupakan kejayaan rakyat, hasil tax dan sebagainya akan kembali disalurkan semula kepada rakyat dalam bentuk yang lain pula seperti barangkali rawatan kesihatan percuma, sistem persekolahan yang percuma dan juga kerajaan mampu memberi berbagai subsidy, samaada tepung, gula, minyak dan lain2).

Masa berlalu dan kita mengharapkan proton sudah boleh bersaing dgn lain2 jenama dan dgn itu tax kepada kereta luar haruslah dikaji semula. Sampai bila2 proton tidak akan dapat bersaing dgn jenama2 spt honda atau toyota, ini adalah kerana proton masih tidak mampu membangunkan R&D nya sebagaimana Toyota kerana mungkin masalah duit. Keuntungan proton belum boleh dibelanjakan utk itu semua kerana keuntungan tersebut amat ciput. Itu semua hanya boleh menampung kos operasi dan sedikit dividen utk share holder barangkali. Namun kita tetap harus bangga kerana dalam kedaifan itu, mereka masih mampu membangunkan model2 baru yg dari segi mutu tidaklah terlalu jauh bezanya dgn lain2 jenama.

Kalau semua tax tersebut dihapuskan, sudahlah pasti 80% pasaran negara akan diambil oleh jenama2 hebat tersebut dan proton akan nazak. Nazaknya proton akan menazakkan pula ribuan pekerjanya yg terdiri drpd mereka2 yg bernama Ahmad, Mamat dan Minah itu. Industri2 hilirannya seperti vendor2 yg melambak di Nilai, Rawang dan lain2 akan turut bungkus dan ini akan pula memberi kesan kepada ribuan lg rakyat jelata.

Untuk pengetahuan Nik dan Bashah, saya hanya memandu wira tahun 2000, ianya masih elok cuma sesekali trotle bodynya tidak stabil, tukar sahaja kitnya yg berharga rm 35. Saya juga seperti insan2 lain bercita2 utk memandu Toyota Civic atau H Accord namun itu semua hanyalah untuk memenuhkan kehendak riak saya buat masa ini kerana saya memang belum mampu, insyaAllah one day namun walaupun wira saya berumur 10 tahun, ianya tetap reliable, tahniah proton.

--- On Fri, 7/16/10, Nik MazdaBG <nikmazda@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Nik MazdaBG <nikmazda@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 2:08 PM

ini bukan masalah untuk mempolitikkan sesuatu..ini adalah luahan hati
rakyat kepada sesuatu permasalahan yang sepatutnya tidak timbul dan
tidak membebankan rakyat..mungkin saudara Zamri Harun ni seorang yang
berkemampuan untuk membeli kereta mewah dengan harga yang jauh
melambung jika dibandingkan dengan harga di negara jiran..sebab itu
boleh berkata sedemikian rupa..jika tidak berkemampuan mungkin saudara
Zamri Harun berfikiran sebaliknya.

kewujudan proton tidak sepatutnya menjadikan kerajaan menidakkan hak
rakyat untuk memiliki jenama kereta lain pada harga yang
munasabah..cukai yang dinaikkan berlipat kali ganda adalah sangat
tidak munasabah..contohny a sudah ada dan tidak perlu dihuraikan lagi..

inginkan proton maju dan berdaya saing bukanlah dengan cara sebegini
rupa..keluarkan produk yang berkualiti dan setaraf dengan produk
eropah..jangan kata eropah..kita ambil contoh terdekat seperti
produk
drp china dan korea..belum lagi nak dibandingkan dengan negara
jepun..kalau mutu produk sebegitu rupa..saya rasa usahkan kita rakyat
malaysia sahaja ingin beli proton, orang lain pun akan turut teruja.

malaysia bukanlah sebuah negara yang miskin yang bergantung kepada
hasil cukai kenderaan semata-mata. .dengan KDNK yang sentiasa
meningkat..hasil bumi yang banyak..minyak & gas,kelapa
sawit..getah. .kayu balak dll..seharusnya kerajaan sedar dan memikirkan
cara untuk memberi keselesaan kepada rakyat dalam semua segi..bukan
saja keamanan & kesejahteraan tetapi nikmat hidup sementara di dunia
ini..

mungkin rakyat malaysia terlalu berlembut dan tidak ambil kisah sangat
sehinggakan kerajaan terus menerus melakukan sesuatu yang tidak
menyenangkan rakyat..

sekian terima kasih

On 7/16/10, zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com> wrote:
> Sungguh malang bila kita mula mempolitikan apa sahaja. Begitu mudah bercakap
> dan mengutuk apalagi cakap cakap tersebut tidak perlu kepada kajian dan
> kebenaran. Pada pendapat saya, setiap kali kita mahu berhujah, kita perlukan
> hujah yang matang dan berintelek, yang dibuat sedikit analysis about 'why'
> do that and why dont. Cakap2 pasar yg tidak berlandasan kajian dan dayafikir
> ini adalah cakap2 politik yang murah. Fenomena cakap2 murah ini amatlah
> mewarnai negara sekarang. Ini semua adalah kerugian yg besar kepada negara
> bila rakyat semakin dibodohkan oleh politik dan cuba bercakap sesuatu yg
> mereka sendiri tidak arif tetapi cuba bertindak sebagai di pihak yang betul
> dan arif. Memalukan jika kita membaca tulisan dibawah.
>
> --- On Wed, 7/14/10, bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com>
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 2:21 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sapa kata Malaysia developing nation?. Kita dah masuk tahap negara
> majulah..actually kita dah capai status sama dengan USA masa tahun 2005
> lepas gawat 1998.
>
> Kita ialah juara forum, macam2 forum, dan
juga macam2 sukan international
> F1, F2 , Moonsoon, Langkawi, Komanwel, Selatan-Selatan, . Selain itu kita
> juga dah jadi United Nation ..- banyak Indon , bangla, Gurkha. Itu bukti
> Malaysia adalah negara maju.
>
> jalan pulak sesak, dan banyak berlubang,dan banyk 'aksi'den, itu bukti
> kenderaan terlalu bnayk walaupun 3x ganda mahal..apalagi kalau dah
> murah...sebab itu Malaysia ialah negara maju.
>
> Selain kerja tetap, Kita juga buat part-time - oleh itu banyak MLM, Diamond,
> Intan, manager - dapat pulak bonus kereta....Bini pun kena kerja tak macam
> dulu2....so itu pun bukti kita negara maju.
>
> Tak perlu tunggu 2020.
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, sheerina reen <chomels76@.. .>
wrote:
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>> Subject: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>> Numbers given in this email are not verified. If anyone can confirm or add
>>
>> similar figures, please feel free to reply this email. One comparison I
>> found
>> is Avanza 1.3MT in Indonesia is RM46,000 while in Malaysia its RM62,000.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Car Prices In Malaysia
>>
>> BMW 535isells for RM178,000 in the US
>>
>> In the United States of America (a developed country which we are also
>> Aspiring to become by the year 2020) a 2009 model BMW 535i Sedan is
>> Selling for about USD50,367.00.
This is only RM178,000 ? about the
>> Price of a Toyota Camry 2.4L here in Malaysia . The same BMW sells in
>> Malaysia for about RM450,000.
>>
>>
>>
>> BMW 328isells for RM155,000 in the US
>>
>> The 2009 model BMW 328i 2 door Convertible sells for USD44,014 or
>> RM155,369.00 in the US . In Malaysia the same car sells for over
>> RM460,000.This is an untenable situation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Audi A4 2.0T Cabriolet Convertiblesells for RM142,000 in the US
>>
>> The 2009 model Audi A4 2 Door 2.0T Cabriolet Convertible sells in the
>> US for USD40,328.00 or RM142,357. In Malaysia the same car would sell
>> For about RM265,000.
>>
>>
>>
>> VW GTI 2.0Tsells for RM85,000 in the US
>>
>> In the US the 2009 model Volkswagen GTI 2.0T sells for USD 24,039
or
>> RM85,000 only. In Chinathe same car will cost around RM60,000. Over
>> Here the same VW car sells for about RM200,000.
>>
>>
>>
>> And the 2010 model Toyota Camry 2.4Lsells in the US for USD 19,659.00
>> Or RM69,396In Malaysia the 2008 Toyota Camry 2.4L sells for
>> RM170,000. Toyota Camry 2.4L, 2010 model. RM69,000 in the US
>>
>>
>> Car prices in Malaysia are about three times higher than the prices in The
>>
>> United States .
>> We are a developing nation. Our land and labour Costs are so much cheaper
>> than
>> the US . Why are our cars so expensive?
>> It does not make any sense. Tak masuk akal.
>>
>> Then here are some car prices from our neighbour Indonesia . The
>> Toyota Altissells in Indonesiafor about RM46,000. The same car sells
>> Here for around
RM 112,000.Again we are three times more expensive
>> Than Indonesia .
>>
>> The Honda Jazz sells here for RM108,000.. In Indonesiathe Jazz sells
>> For RM 36,000. Three times more expensive.
>>
>> We are paying ridiculously high prices (and actually impoverishing the
>> Malays ? who are the largest buyers of cars in Malaysia) to support an
>> Out of date, out of touch with reality motor car policy.
>>
>> We are paying the highest car prices in the world to support the
>> Proton and other locally made cars as well as support a mind boggling
>> AP policy which only benefits a relatively few rich Malays. A
>> Disproportionately
>> large number of Malays and other Malaysians are Being impoverished to
>> subsidise
>> the wealth of a few inefficient rich.
>>
>>
>> 26 million Malaysians have
to pay three times more for their cars just To
>> support Proton and 120,000 people who are directly and indirectly Involved
>> in
>> the motor sector in Malaysia and the AP holders. That is a Ratio of 216:1.
>>
>> This ratio of 216:1 is too skewed. 26.0 million happier people can
>> Contribute
>> many more votes than 120,000 members of an inefficient Motor industry. 26
>> million unhappy people can change a Government.
>> (The maths is not really difficult here)
>>
>> And this outdated policy is impoverishing the Malays more than anyone
>> else.
>>
>> Here is some news from our DPM Tan Sri Muhyudin Yassin about our car
>> Policy. This is truncated:
>>
>> Muhyiddin assures govt support for automotive parts and component sector
>>
>> 1. KUALA LUMPUR, May 26 ? The deputy prime minister
said special focus
>> Will be given to ?facilitate and encourage? the development of the
>> Automotive parts and component sector despite the current global and
>> Regional economic downturn.
>>
>> 2. ?Under the CEPT and Asean Trade in Goods Agreements, Malaysia has
>> Agreed to eliminate import duties on all products in the Normal Track
>> On January 1, 2010. This includes motor vehicles, auto parts and
>> Components,? he said.
>>
>> 3. He pointed out that . . . The motor vehicle sub sector in Malaysia
>> Will not be directly impacted because of its heavy dependence on the
>> Domestic market.
>>
>> 4. ?The Malaysian government recognises the contribution of the
>> Domestic automotive industry towards the development of the country.?
>>
>>
>> Para 2 sounds promising but then Para 3 and 4
basically says that the
>> Malaysian motor car industry will continue to be protected. This means
>> We will continue paying the highest car prices in the world for
>> Automobiles.
>>
>>
>> Cuba Kita kira : kalau kereta Honda Jazz di jual dengan harga yang
>> Sebenarnya (lebih kurang RM36,000 saja) Dan bukan pada harga sekarang
>> (RM108,000) maksudnya bayaran bulanan pembeli kereta akan jadi kurang,
>> mungkin sepertiga sahaja daripada bayaran bulanan sekarang.
>>
>>
>> Jika sekarang orang bayar RM1,500 sebulan untuk beli Honda Jazz, kalau
>> harga kereta lebih menepati harga pasaran dunia, orang kita perlu
>> bayar sekitar RM500 saja sebulan.
>>
>>
>> Maksudnya tanpa Kerajaan perlu membuat apa pun (merangsang ekonomi,
>> belanja berpuluh billion Ringgit duit rakyat untuk stimulus
dan
>> sebagainya) setiap rakyat Malaysia yang membeli kereta yang seharga
>> dengan Honda Jazz akan dapat menjimatkan sehingga RM1,000 sebulan
>> daripada kos sara hidup bulanannya.
>>
>>
>> This is like giving the car buyer an RM1000 pay rise without incurring
>> any extra costs for the taxpayer, the Government or the economy. It
>> will greatly reduce the cost of living in Malaysia and spur greater
>> economic growth too.
>>
>>
>> Tapi sekarang, yang menjadi mangsa dulu dan yang menjadi miskin dulu
>> orang Melayu juga. Orang Melayu yang paling ramai sekali menjadi
>> pembeli kereta dalam negara kita. Orang Melayu kebanyakannya makan
>> gaji ? tiap bulan dapat gaji tetap. Bila harga kereta naik gila, yang
>> menjadi miskin di saf depan sekali adalah orang Melayu juga.
>>
>>
>> In
absolute numbers, the Malays are suffering the most because they
>> are the most in number among the fixed income people who also buy
>> cars.
>>
>> Some folks said the other day that Proton has 150 major component
>> suppliers, dealers, distributors and about 500 other parts suppliers
>> too. Of the 150 major component suppliers, about 15 of them are listed
>> companies. In total they employ about 120,000 people. The Proton
>> supply chain is a mix of bumiputras and non bumiputras. But here is a
>> sad fact : none of them are operating at their level best efficiency.
>>
>>
>> Our motor car policy is forcing Malaysians to subsidise Proton so that
>> Proton can sustain major inefficiencies in the Malaysian economy. This
>> is not a good thing at all.
>>
>>
>> We have to unwind this situation. Set a
target of 18 months from now
>> to unwind all protection for our motor industry. Remove the
>> impoverishing AP policy also in 18 months. Let Malaysian car prices
>> reflect world market prices for the same makes of cars.
>>
>>
>> If a BMW 535 sells for RM178,000 in America , it should sell for a
>> little less here in Malaysia (our rentals and salaries are cheaper).
>>
>>
>> The Ministers continue making pronouncements about the car industry as
>> though nothing has happened. I hope everyone will please wake up. The
>> Government has a real chance of getting thrown out of office in about
>> three years. The people will not accept inept answers anymore.
>>
>>
>> The ridiculous car prices in Malaysia is an issue that is just
>> beginning to get more attention and publicity. It is going to become
a
>> really big issue in the near future. Be forewarned.
>>
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1d.: Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

Posted by: "rezal_sapuan@amtek.my" rezal_sapuan@amtek.my

Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:55 am (PDT)

Salam,

Kalau tak silap saya income tax kat us dalam 25% .... memang tinggi ....
Macam kat Malaysia income tax rendah je ... Macam saya lepas tolak rebat
zakat pendapatan, anak dan insuran perubatan, masih ada terlebih bayar
lagi ... baru2 ni dapat cek RM685 dari LHDN ...

Kesimpulan ... terpulang pada diri sendiri untuk menilainya ...

From: waja timur <kayyanne78@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: 21/07/2010 03:56 PM
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com

Salam,

Nak mencelah sikit jek... Apa la yang kita nak bandingkan sistem ekonomi kita dengan US tu... Ramai orang tgk harga kereta kat US lagi murah dari
kat sini... Dan abaikan faktor lain...

Tapi jangan lupa... US memang tak letak cukai tinggi pada kereta... Lagi ganas, diorang belasah dekat cukai pendapatan atau dalam bahasa lain
Income Tax... Aku takde exact figure tapi setakat pengetahuan cetek aku nie, Income Tax kat US bapak tinggi dari kat sini....

Kesimpulan, mana lagi ok ... Cukai keta tinggi which kita ada pilihan either nak bayar ke tak (erti kata lain tak yah beli)..Or Income Tax tinggi
yang kita nak tak nak memang kena bayar? Kalau tak bayar, government bole rampas segala harta benda...

Pikir la.. Jangan tak pikir...

2 kupang jek...

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Cinan <nuriez76@rocketmail.com> wrote:

From: Cinan <nuriez76@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 9:03 PM

Kita sebenarnya idup mengemis kat negara sendiri. Memang betul sesetengah pendapat, umpama negara kita nie tak punya apa-apa sumber. Sedangkan
dimata rakyat, pemimpin mendabik dada mengisytiharkan rakyat malaysia lah yang sepatutnya tadah tangan bersyukur kepada kerajaan kerana nikmat
pembangunan yang diberi oleh kerajaan pemerintah.

Negara kita seperti tak ada loji carigali minyak di dalam negeri, sehinggakan minyak kita paling antara yang mahal di kalangan negara
pengeluar minyak. (nak nampak murah, balik-balik harga minyak kita dibandingkan dengan singapura, depa mana loji sendiri).

Harga kereta mengalahkan harga rumah kos sederhana. Nak murah beli kereta cap malaysia, tetapi teknologi masih lagi menyadur dari kereta jepun
5 tahun lepas. Mari bezakan dengan jenama Korea (kini dah tembus pasaran US & eropah akibat peningkatan teknologi & ciri keselamatan &
piawaian product yang ketat) pasaran semakin meluas, seterusnya meningkatlah jumlah pengeluaran, maka boleh lah direndahkan harga bagi
keluaran tempatan. Tak percaya buka web korea/jepun tengok sendiri harga tempatan kereta mereka berapa. (orang proton, produa, MITI kena pi
belajar asas ekonomi lagi nie)

P/s:- kekadang tertanya-tanya, apa kesudahannya cerita lawak di malaysia nie....

From: baddRi Rozaimi <zordaq@yahoo. com>
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Monday, 19 July 2010 11:38:14
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

Entah laa.. aku pun rasa pelik... aku rasa dia orang naik sebab nak cover bonus kot.. yg sedia ada untuk bulan2 dia orang jer... so kita laa
yg akan bg bonus raya kat dia orang.. sedih..saman speed track dah kena bayar.. nak gi jalan2 kena bayar...( tol laa.. minyak laa.makan lg.)..
cukai sana sini.(cukai kereta laa.. pintu.. tanah laa..mcam2 cukai) . harga kereta tinggi.. mcam beli kat negara luar.. minyak mahal mcam kita
beli kat US.. gula naik mcam kita takde ladang tebu....orang yang akan merana org gaji bawah RM3000.00.. kena ada keluarga.. mampus laa si
bapak tu.. kerja laa siang malam.. nak dapat rm1000 lg.. haha pening..

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From: almustaqeem <almustaqeem@ yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 5:41:29 PM
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

salam...

kete mahal... minyak pon dah naik harga (lagi), roadtax tahun2 kena bayar... tol bersepah jalan sikit tol... jalan sikit tol...

tapi kenderaan tetap banyak di jalan raya....

miskin kah kita??? ;-p

--- On Fri, 7/16/10, zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Cc: bwasi@yahoo. com
Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 12:50 PM

Sungguh malang bila kita mula mempolitikan apa sahaja. Begitu mudah bercakap dan mengutuk apalagi cakap cakap tersebut tidak perlu kepada kajian dan
kebenaran. Pada pendapat saya, setiap kali kita mahu berhujah, kita perlukan hujah yang matang dan berintelek, yang dibuat sedikit analysis about
'why' do that and why dont. Cakap2 pasar yg tidak berlandasan kajian dan dayafikir ini adalah cakap2 politik yang murah. Fenomena cakap2 murah ini
amatlah mewarnai negara sekarang. Ini semua adalah kerugian yg besar kepada negara bila rakyat semakin dibodohkan oleh politik dan cuba bercakap
sesuatu yg mereka sendiri tidak arif tetapi cuba bertindak sebagai di pihak yang betul dan arif. Memalukan jika kita membaca tulisan dibawah.

--- On Wed, 7/14/10, bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com>
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 2:21 AM

Sapa kata Malaysia developing nation?. Kita dah masuk tahap negara majulah..actually kita dah capai status sama dengan USA masa tahun 2005
lepas gawat 1998.

Kita ialah juara forum, macam2 forum, dan juga macam2 sukan international F1, F2 , Moonsoon, Langkawi, Komanwel, Selatan-Selatan, . Selain itu
kita juga dah jadi United Nation ..- banyak Indon , bangla, Gurkha. Itu bukti Malaysia adalah negara maju.

jalan pulak sesak, dan banyak berlubang,dan banyk 'aksi'den, itu bukti kenderaan terlalu bnayk walaupun 3x ganda mahal..apalagi kalau dah
murah...sebab itu Malaysia ialah negara maju.

Selain kerja tetap, Kita juga buat part-time - oleh itu banyak MLM, Diamond, Intan, manager - dapat pulak bonus kereta....Bini pun kena kerja
tak macam dulu2....so itu pun bukti kita negara maju.

Tak perlu tunggu 2020.

--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, sheerina reen <chomels76@.. .> wrote:
>
>
>
> Subject: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
>
> Numbers given in this email are not verified. If anyone can confirm or add
> similar figures, please feel free to reply this email. One comparison I found
> is Avanza 1.3MT in Indonesia is RM46,000 while in Malaysia its RM62,000.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Car Prices In Malaysia
>
> BMW 535isells for RM178,000 in the US
>
> In the United States of America (a developed country which we are also
> Aspiring to become by the year 2020) a 2009 model BMW 535i Sedan is
> Selling for about USD50,367.00. This is only RM178,000 ? about the
> Price of a Toyota Camry 2.4L here in Malaysia . The same BMW sells in
> Malaysia for about RM450,000.
>
>
>
> BMW 328isells for RM155,000 in the US
>
> The 2009 model BMW 328i 2 door Convertible sells for USD44,014 or
> RM155,369.00 in the US . In Malaysia the same car sells for over
> RM460,000.This is an untenable situation.
>
>
>
> Audi A4 2.0T Cabriolet Convertiblesells for RM142,000 in the US
>
> The 2009 model Audi A4 2 Door 2.0T Cabriolet Convertible sells in the
> US for USD40,328.00 or RM142,357. In Malaysia the same car would sell
> For about RM265,000.
>
>
>
> VW GTI 2.0Tsells for RM85,000 in the US
>
> In the US the 2009 model Volkswagen GTI 2.0T sells for USD 24,039 or
> RM85,000 only. In Chinathe same car will cost around RM60,000. Over
> Here the same VW car sells for about RM200,000.
>
>
>
> And the 2010 model Toyota Camry 2.4Lsells in the US for USD 19,659.00
> Or RM69,396In Malaysia the 2008 Toyota Camry 2.4L sells for
> RM170,000. Toyota Camry 2.4L, 2010 model. RM69,000 in the US
>
>
> Car prices in Malaysia are about three times higher than the prices in The
> United States .
> We are a developing nation. Our land and labour Costs are so much cheaper than
> the US . Why are our cars so expensive?
> It does not make any sense. Tak masuk akal.
>
> Then here are some car prices from our neighbour Indonesia . The
> Toyota Altissells in Indonesiafor about RM46,000. The same car sells
> Here for around RM 112,000.Again we are three times more expensive
> Than Indonesia .
>
> The Honda Jazz sells here for RM108,000.. In Indonesiathe Jazz sells
> For RM 36,000. Three times more expensive.
> g ridiculously high prices (and actually impoverishing the
> Malays ? who are the largest buyers of cars in Malaysia) to support an
> Out of date, out of touch with reality motor car policy.
>
> We are paying the highest car prices in the world to support the
> Proton and other locally made cars as well as support a mind boggling
> AP policy which only benefits a relatively few rich Malays. A Disproportionately
> large number of Malays and other Malaysians are Being impoverished to subsidise
> the wealth of a few inefficient rich.
>
>
> 26 million Malaysians have to pay three times more for their cars just To
> support Proton and 120,000 people who are directly and indirectly Involved in
> the motor sector in Malaysia and the AP holders. That is a Ratio of 216:1.
>
> This ratio of 216:1 is too skewed. 26.0 million happier people can Contribute
> many more votes than 120,000 members of an inefficient Motor industry. 26
> million unhappy people can change a Government.
> (The maths is not really difficult here)
>
> And this outdated policy is impoverishing the Malays more than anyone else.
>
> Here is some news from our DPM Tan Sri Muhyudin Yassin about our car
> Policy. This is truncated:
>
> Muhyiddin assures govt support for automotive parts and component sector
>
> 1. KUALA LUMPUR, May 26 ? The deputy prime minister said special focus
> Will be given to ?facilitate and encourage? the development of the
> Automotive parts and component sector despite the current global and
> Regional economic downturn.
>
> 2. ?Under the CEPT and Asean Trade in Goods Agreements, Malaysia has
> Agreed to eliminate import duties on all products in the Normal Track
> On January 1, 2010. This includes motor vehicles, auto parts and
> Components,? he said.
>
> 3. He pointed out that . . . The motor vehicle sub sector in Malaysia
> Will not be directly impacted because of its heavy dependence on the
> Domestic market.
>
> 4. ?The Malaysian government recognises the contribution of the
> Domestic automotive industry towards the development of the country.?
>
>
> Para 2 sounds promising but then Para 3 and 4 basically says that the
> Malaysian motor car industry will continue to be protected. This means
> We will continue paying the highest car prices in the world for
> Automobiles.
>
>
> Cuba Kita kira : kalau kereta Honda Jazz di jual dengan harga yang
> Sebenarnya (lebih kurang RM36,000 saja) Dan bukan pada harga sekarang
> (RM108,000) maksudnya bayaran bulanan pembeli kereta akan jadi kurang,
> mungkin sepertiga sahaja daripada bayaran bulanan sekarang.
>
>
> Jika sekarang orang bayar RM1,500 sebulan untuk beli Honda Jazz, kalau
> harga kereta lebih menepati harga pasaran dunia, orang kita perlu
> bayar sekitar RM500 saja sebulan.
>
>
> Maksudnya tanpa Kerajaan perlu membuat apa pun (merangsang ekonomi,
> belanja berpuluh billion Ringgit duit rakyat untuk stimulus dan
> sebagainya) setiap rakyat Malaysia yang membeli kereta yang seharga
> dengan Honda Jazz akan dapat menjimatkan sehingga RM1,000 sebulan
> daripada kos sara hidup bulanannya.
>
>
> This is like giving the car buyer an RM1000 pay rise without incurring
> any extra costs for the taxpayer, the Government or the economy. It
> will greatly reduce the cost of living in Malaysia and spur greater
> economic growth too.
>
>
> Tapi sekarang, yang menjadi mangsa dulu dan yang menjadi miskin dulu
> orang Melayu juga. Orang Melayu yang paling ramai sekali menjadi
> pembeli kereta dalam negara kita. Orang Melayu kebanyakannya makan
> gaji ? tiap bulan dapat gaji tetap. Bila harga kereta naik gila, yang
> menjadi miskin di saf depan sekali adalah orang Melayu juga.
>
>
> In absolute numbers, the Malays are suffering the most because they
> are the most in number among the fixed income people who also buy
> cars.
>
> Some folks said the other day that Proton has 150 major component
> suppliers, dealers, distributors and about 500 other parts suppliers
> too. Of the 150 major component suppliers, about 15 of them are listed
> companies. In total they employ about 120,000 people. The Proton
> supply chain is a mix of bumiputras and non bumiputras. But here is a
> sad fact : none of them are operating at their level best efficiency.
>
>
> Our motor car policy is forcing Malaysians to subsidise Proton so that
> Proton can sustain major inefficiencies in the Malaysian economy. This
> is not a good thing at all.
>
>
> We have to unwind this situation. Set a target of 18 months from now
> to unwind all protection for our motor industry. Remove the
> impoverishing AP policy also in 18 months. Let Malaysian car prices
> reflect world market prices for the same makes of cars.
>
>
> If a BMW 535 sells for RM178,000 in America , it should sell for a
> little less here in Malaysia (our rentals and salaries are cheaper).
>
>
> The Ministers continue making pronouncements about the car industry as
> though nothing has happened. I hope everyone will please wake up. The
> Government has a real chance of getting thrown out of office in about
> three years. The people will not accept inept answers anymore.
>
>
> The ridiculous car prices in Malaysia is an issue that is just
> beginning to get more attention and publicity. It is going to become a
> really big issue in the near future. Be forewarned.
>
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1e.: Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

Posted by: "Quwarrizxmy Qurraizy" qurraizy@gmail.com

Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:56 am (PDT)

bad

minta tlg cari
brg ori tp second la

untuk waja auto 1.6

1.throotle body
2.plug cable
3.yg dalam tu guna bersama cable

On 21/07/2010, bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Proton will be no. 1 car brand in the world IF the build-standard is higher
> than Toyota. Logic or Not ?
>
> Proton crash test @ you -tube.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAYFu-xPug&feature=related
>
>
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, "agai@..." <agai_disini@...> wrote:
>>
>> Salam Tuan Mod dan semua
>>
>> Saya bukan nak tujukan email ni kepada sesiapa atau mempolitikkan apa2...
>> cuma sekadar pandangan..
>>
>> Cakap pasal R&D, Proton memang ada R&D. Mungkin ada dikalangan ahli
>> yahoogroup
>> ni yang
>> keja di Proton, so anda memang arif tentang hal ni. Saya pernah buat
>> lawatan ke
>> kilang proton di Shah Alam,
>> memang ada satu unit R&D yang bangunannya asing dari bangunan lain.
>> Maknanya ada
>> kesungguhan kat situ nak jalankan usaha R&D. Bila saya masuk kat situ,
>> banyak
>> sekali kelengkapan, peralatan tentang R&D, sehinggakan ada mcm satu mini
>> robot
>> yang duk bukak dan tutup pintu keta waja 24x7, tujuannya nak uji ketahanan
>> pintu
>> tu. Maknanya di situ, ada kesungguhan nak buat R&D. Ok, peralatan dan ada,
>>
>> kesungguhan dah ada...tapi finishing yang takde. kenapa sy ckp finishing
>> takde,
>> sebab pintu keta Proton tetap ada masalah yang sama sejak 25 tahun lepas.
>> Dalam
>> hal ni, peranan memilih vendor tu amat penting.
>> Dari apa yg saya tau, kebanyakan syarikat yang membekalkan sekecil2
>> komponen
>> sehingga sebesar2 komponen adalah syarikat tempatan yang kebanyakannya
>> adalah
>> syarikat Bumiputera. Tapi mintak maaf ckp, syarikat2 ni semua pada saya
>> tak
>> strong, baik dr segi teknologi mahupun kewangan. Persoalannya di sini,
>> kalau dah
>> tak strong, kenapa masih dipilih menjadi vendor? Jawapannya banyak...dan
>> anda
>> semua boleh fikir sendiri...saya taknak uratakan jawapan sy sebab banyak
>> jawapan
>> yg mungkin boleh dimuatkan di situ.
>>
>> Come on la...syarikat vendor yang supply komponen ni kena la strong dan
>> berkualiti. Ni nak buat keta ni bang...nak bawak bapak orang, mak orang,
>> anak
>> orang ni...bukan nak bawak barang...klu nak bawak barang je tak kisah la
>> sgt.
>> Dan perlu kita ingat, kebanyakan pembeli kereta Proton adalah dari
>> kalangan
>> mereka yang berpendapatan sederhana. Kalau orang yang berpendapatan mewah,
>> saya
>> jamin dorang takkan beli proton. Bukan sebab nak perlekeh proton, tapi
>> yang
>> mewah ni mampu untuk membeli dan menggunakan kereta yg mahal. Jadi yang
>> golongan
>> sederhana nilah yang duk guna keta Proton hari2...so sy rasa dah smpi
>> masanya
>> untuk Proton berubah ke hadapan dan utamakan bab finishing yg sy ckp tadi
>> tu.
>> Bab teknologi, klu dah 5 tahun terkebelakang compare dari Jepun, nak buat
>> camana....dah itu yang kita dapat dengan kemampuan dan bajet usahama
>> Proton.
>> Tapi bab finishing tu la yang sepatutnya kena jaga sebab orang akan
>> menilai dari
>> segi finishing tu apabila melihat sebuah keta Proton model baru bila ada
>> dalam
>> showroom.
>>
>> Sebagai perbandingan yang adil....kita cuba bandingkan keta yang sama
>> kelas dan
>> harga lebih kurang. Macam Exora dan Avanza. Klu dari segi design, memang
>> Proton
>> dah tinggalkan jauh Toyota ni. Tapi cuba bandingkan dari segi kualiti
>> komponen...mcm tayar masa kat showroom....proton guna banyak
>> vendor...Toyota
>> hanya guna 1 atau 2 vendor sahaja,...itupun Bridgestone dan satu lagi yang
>> ada
>> jenama. dari segi kualiti pintu, tingkap, kusyen, penghawa dingin dan
>> beberapa
>> aksesori lain. Rasanya Avanza yang orang duk ckp keta kotak tu yang jauh
>> kehadapan.
>>
>>
>> Untuk maju, kita kena telus...berdaya saing dan bermatlamat tinggi. sapa2
>> yang
>> tak mampu jadi vendor, tak boleh nak bagi kualiti yg terbaikÂ jangan
>> diambil
>> sebagai vendor. Tak kira la syarikat vendor tu syarikat kawan ke, adik
>> beradik
>> ke, orang besar itu punya ke...orang kecik itu punya ke...klu dia tak
>> perform,
>> forget it. yang penting hasil kerja yang bakal dinilai dan digunakan oleh
>> orang
>> awam untuk puluhan tahun akan datang terjamin dan berbaloi....
>>
>> Sekian, pandangan 1/2 sen dari sy..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@...>
>> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2010 11:45:27
>> Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>>
>> Â
>> Salam,
>>
>> 1. kondem atau kritik kalau diambil dengan cara positif boleh membina.
>> cara
>> penyampaian antara kita berbeza, cara penerimaan ayat orang lain pun
>> berbeza.
>> tak guna kita bertekak kat sini, tapi penyampaian pada pihak yg sepatutnya
>> tidak
>> sampai. mungkin kita boleh fikirkan satu cara utk menyampaikan
>> saranan/pandangan
>> kita pada org yg sepatutnya. dalam kes ini, KPDN (hal minyak), PROTON (hal
>>
>> quality yg selalu dipertikaikan)
>>
>> 2. saya kurang setuju bila utk menjadi negara maju kita harus beralih dari
>>
>> pertanian kepada perindustrian. bagi saya, tak kira apa produk kita, kita
>> harus
>> majukan produk tersebut. bagi pertanian, kita boleh ambil guna konsep
>> pertanian
>> moden (bio-research - baik pulih benih pokok). lihat sahaja MPOB, MARDI yg
>> buat
>> research sehingga dah ada santan dari kelapa sawit. Â jadi, pada saya utk
>> jadi
>> negara maju, kita kena majukan apa sahaja produk yg kita ada. bukannya
>> bertukar
>> alih arah. (kesian juga pada petani peladang kalau semua beralih arah
>> kepada
>> perindustrian, bukan?)
>>
>> 3. proton harus ada R&D. tingkatkan teknologi khusus utk negara kita.
>> iklim
>> negara ataupun kualiti jalanraya kita tak sama macam jepun mahupun jerman.
>> macam
>> kurang sesuai kalau kita ambil, dan tukar jenama utk diguna pakai pada
>> jalanraya
>> kita.
>>
>> 4. saya antara orang yang teruja dengan BLM, bukan sebab keretanya, tapi
>> sebab
>> saya dapat tahu reka-cipta dari orang tempatan. nah, kita sudah ada R&D,
>> bangunkan lagi R&D tu. BLM dah murah apa, average 35K... kereta bersaiz
>> sederhana kompak yg lain...city ? vios ? mazda3...jauh harganya. tapi
>> kalau
>> bandingkan dari segi keselamatan, BLM kat mana ya ? disitu R&D proton
>> harus main
>> peranan.
>>
>> 5. perlindungan itu ada baik ada buruk. sama je konsep subsidi. sama juga
>> konsep
>> kita jaga anak (mahupun dijaga masa kecil dahulu). dari kecik dididik,
>> diajar,
>> dilindungi. bila dah besar, ko pikir sendiri, jalan sendiri, buat
>> keputusan
>> sendiri. agak2nya 25 tahun tak cukup ke utk PROTON berdiri dikaki sendiri
>> ?
>>
>> 6. saya setuju dengan black canary bab pemilihan vendor. masakan pokok
>> bergoyang
>> kalau angin tidak bertiup, bukan? rasanya pemilihan vendor PROTON kena
>> lebih
>> telus kot. baru orang boleh percaya vendor bukan kalangan kroni....
>> cumanya,
>> kalau kita pun ada power to decide... kalau kita tahu kawan kita Ali mmg
>> tahu
>> buat bumper... takkan kita nak bagi kat Abu yg walaupun boleh buat
>> bumper...tapi
>> kita tak pernah tengok cara dia bekerja.ntahlah.
>>
>> ini cuma pandangan peribadi, tak ada niat nak tuju pada sesiapa.Â
>>
>> harap maklum.
>>
>> rgds,
>> Nazri Ahtar
>>
>> --- On Mon, 7/19/10, zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >From: zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com>
>> >Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>> >To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>> >Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 4:51 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >Â
>> >Salam,
>> >Saya minta maaf kpd Sdr Bashah jika beliau berkecil hati.
>> >Saya sebenarnya sudah agak gelisah dengan pandangan2 berbau politik. Saya
>> > tidak
>> >bias kpd mana2 parti politik tetapi saya phobia kpd unsur2 mengondem di
>> > antara
>> >kita terutamanya org2 Melayu.
>> >
>> >Proton diwujudkan oleh kerajaan diantaranya ialah untuk membawa negara
>> > menjadi
>> >negara yg berorientasikan perindustrian. Bukan sahaja industri kereta
>> > tetapi
>> >lain2 juga ini termasuklah kilang2, plant2, makmal2 moden dan lain lain.
>> > Untuk
>> >mencapai taraf negara maju dengan segera kita mestilah beralih dari
>> > negara
>> >pertanian ke nagara perindustrian.
>> >
>> >Utk menjamin kejayaan proton ini di pasaran negara sendiri yg pertamanya
>> >kerajaan haruslah membuat beberapa kaedah perlindungan kerana sudah tentu
>> >
>> >protonÂ dengan usianya yg mentah tidak akan dapat bersaing dgn jenama2
>> > luar
>> >negara yg sedia amat canggih dengan R&Dnya dan teknologinya. ( perlulah
>> > diingat,
>> >kejayaan proton dinegara sendiri adalah merupakan kejayaan kerajaan,
>> > kejayaan
>> >kerajaan pula adalah merupakan kejayaan rakyat, hasil tax dan sebagainya
>> > akan
>> >kembali disalurkan semula kepada rakyat dalam bentuk yang lain pula
>> > seperti
>> >barangkali rawatan kesihatan percuma, sistem persekolahan yang percuma
>> > dan juga
>> >kerajaan mampu memberi berbagai subsidy, samaada tepung, gula, minyak dan
>> >
>> >lain2).
>> >
>> >Masa berlalu dan kita mengharapkan proton sudah boleh bersaing dgn lain2
>> > jenama
>> >dan dgn itu tax kepada kereta luar haruslah dikaji semula. Sampai bila2
>> > proton
>> >tidak akan dapat bersaing dgn jenama2 spt honda atau toyota, ini adalah
>> > kerana
>> >proton masih tidak mampu membangunkan R&D nya sebagaimana Toyota kerana
>> > mungkin
>> >masalah duit. Keuntungan proton belum boleh dibelanjakan utk itu semua
>> > kerana
>> >keuntungan tersebut amat ciput. Itu semua hanya boleh menampung kos
>> > operasi dan
>> >sedikit dividen utk share holder barangkali. Namun kita tetap harus
>> > bangga
>> >kerana dalam kedaifan itu, mereka masih mampu membangunkan model2 baru yg
>> > dari
>> >segi mutu tidaklah terlalu jauh bezanya dgn lain2 jenama.
>> >
>> >Kalau semua tax tersebut dihapuskan, sudahlah pasti 80% pasaran negara
>> > akan
>> >diambil oleh jenama2 hebat tersebut dan proton akan nazak. Nazaknya
>> > proton akan
>> >menazakkan pula ribuan pekerjanya yg terdiri drpd mereka2 yg bernama
>> > Ahmad,
>> >Mamat dan Minah itu. Industri2 hilirannya seperti vendor2 yg melambak di
>> > Nilai,
>> >Rawang dan lain2 akan turut bungkus dan ini akan pula memberi kesan
>> > kepada
>> >ribuan lg rakyat jelata.
>> >
>> >Untuk pengetahuan Nik dan Bashah, saya hanya memandu wira tahun 2000,
>> > ianya
>> >masih elok cuma sesekali trotle bodynya tidak stabil, tukar sahaja kitnya
>> > yg
>> >berharga rm 35. Saya juga seperti insan2 lain bercita2 utk memandu Toyota
>> > Civic
>> >atau H Accord namun itu semua hanyalah untuk memenuhkan kehendak riak
>> > saya buat
>> >masa ini kerana saya memang belum mampu, insyaAllah one day namun
>> > walaupun wira
>> >saya berumur 10 tahun, ianya tetap reliable, tahniah proton.
>> >
>> >--- On Fri, 7/16/10, Nik MazdaBG <nikmazda@gmail. com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: Nik MazdaBG <nikmazda@gmail. com>
>> >>Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>> >>To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>> >>Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 2:08 PM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Â
>> >>ini bukan masalah untuk mempolitikkan sesuatu..ini adalah luahan hati
>> >>rakyat kepada sesuatu permasalahan yang sepatutnya tidak timbul dan
>> >>tidak membebankan rakyat..mungkin saudara Zamri Harun ni seorang yang
>> >>berkemampuan untuk membeli kereta mewah dengan harga yang jauh
>> >>melambung jika dibandingkan dengan harga di negara jiran..sebab itu
>> >>boleh berkata sedemikian rupa..jika tidak berkemampuan mungkin saudara
>> >>Zamri Harun berfikiran sebaliknya.
>> >>
>> >>kewujudan proton tidak sepatutnya menjadikan kerajaan menidakkan hak
>> >>rakyat untuk memiliki jenama kereta lain pada harga yang
>> >>munasabah..cukai yang dinaikkan berlipat kali ganda adalah sangat
>> >>tidak munasabah..contohny a sudah ada dan tidak perlu dihuraikan lagi..
>> >>
>> >>inginkan proton maju dan berdaya saing bukanlah dengan cara sebegini
>> >>rupa..keluarkan produk yang berkualiti dan setaraf dengan produk
>> >>eropah..jangan kata eropah..kita ambil contoh terdekat seperti produk
>> >>drp china dan korea..belum lagi nak dibandingkan dengan negara
>> >>jepun..kalau mutu produk sebegitu rupa..saya rasa usahkan kita rakyat
>> >>malaysia sahaja ingin beli proton, orang lain pun akan turut teruja.
>> >>
>> >>malaysia bukanlah sebuah negara yang miskin yang bergantung kepada
>> >>hasil cukai kenderaan semata-mata. .dengan KDNK yang sentiasa
>> >>meningkat..hasil bumi yang banyak..minyak & gas,kelapa
>> >>sawit..getah. .kayu balak dll..seharusnya kerajaan sedar dan memikirkan
>> >>cara untuk memberi keselesaan kepada rakyat dalam semua segi..bukan
>> >>saja keamanan & kesejahteraan tetapi nikmat hidup sementara di dunia
>> >>ini..
>> >>
>> >>mungkin rakyat malaysia terlalu berlembut dan tidak ambil kisah sangat
>> >>sehinggakan kerajaan terus menerus melakukan sesuatu yang tidak
>> >>menyenangkan rakyat..
>> >>
>> >>sekian terima kasih
>> >>
>> >>On 7/16/10, zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> >>> Sungguh malang bila kita mula mempolitikan apa sahaja. Begitu mudah
>> >>> bercakap
>> >>> dan mengutuk apalagi cakap cakap tersebut tidak perlu kepada kajian
>> >>> dan
>> >>> kebenaran. Pada pendapat saya, setiap kali kita mahu berhujah, kita
>> >>> perlukan
>> >>> hujah yang matang dan berintelek, yang dibuat sedikit analysis about
>> >>> 'why'
>> >>> do that and why dont. Cakap2 pasar yg tidak berlandasan kajian dan
>> >>> dayafikir
>> >>> ini adalah cakap2 politik yang murah. Fenomena cakap2 murah ini
>> >>> amatlah
>> >>> mewarnai negara sekarang. Ini semua adalah kerugian yg besar kepada
>> >>> negara
>> >>> bila rakyat semakin dibodohkan oleh politik dan cuba bercakap sesuatu
>> >>> yg
>> >>> mereka sendiri tidak arif tetapi cuba bertindak sebagai di pihak yang
>> >>> betul
>> >>> dan arif. Memalukan jika kita membaca tulisan dibawah.
>> >>>
>> >>> --- On Wed, 7/14/10, bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com>
>> >>> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>> >>> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
>> >>> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 2:21 AM
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sapa kata Malaysia developing nation?. Kita dah masuk tahap negara
>> >>> majulah..actually kita dah capai status sama dengan USA masa tahun
>> >>> 2005
>> >>> lepas gawat 1998.
>> >>>
>> >>> Kita ialah juara forum, macam2 forum, dan juga macam2 sukan
>> >>> international
>> >>> F1, F2 , Moonsoon, Langkawi, Komanwel, Selatan-Selatan, . Selain itu
>> >>> kita
>> >>> juga dah jadi United Nation ..- banyak Indon , bangla, Gurkha. Itu
>> >>> bukti
>> >>> Malaysia adalah negara maju.
>> >>>
>> >>> jalan pulak sesak, dan banyak berlubang,dan banyk 'aksi'den, itu bukti
>> >>> kenderaan terlalu bnayk walaupun 3x ganda mahal..apalagi kalau dah
>> >>> murah...sebab itu Malaysia ialah negara maju.
>> >>>
>> >>> Selain kerja tetap, Kita juga buat part-time - oleh itu banyak MLM,
>> >>> Diamond,
>> >>> Intan, manager - dapat pulak bonus kereta....Bini pun kena kerja tak
>> >>> macam
>> >>> dulu2....so itu pun bukti kita negara maju.
>> >>>
>> >>> Tak perlu tunggu 2020.
>> >>>
>> >>> --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, sheerina reen <chomels76@ .> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Subject: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Numbers given in this email are not verified. If anyone can confirm
>> >>>> or add
>> >>>>
>> >>>> similar figures, please feel free to reply this email.Â One
>> >>>> comparison I
>> >>>> found
>> >>>> is Avanza 1.3MTÂ in Indonesia is RM46,000 while in Malaysia its
>> >>>> RM62,000.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Car Prices In Malaysia
>> >>>>
>> >>>> BMW 535isells for RM178,000 in the US
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the United States of America (a developed country which we are
>> >>>> also
>> >>>> Aspiring to become by the year 2020) a 2009 model BMW 535i Sedan is
>> >>>> Selling for about USD50,367.00. This is only RM178,000 ? about the
>> >>>> Price of a Toyota Camry 2.4L here in Malaysia . The same BMW sells in
>> >>>> Malaysia for about RM450,000.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> BMW 328isells for RM155,000 in the US
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The 2009 model BMW 328i 2 door Convertible sells for USD44,014 or
>> >>>> RM155,369.00 in the US . In Malaysia the same car sells for over
>> >>>> RM460,000.This is an untenable situation.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Audi A4 2.0T Cabriolet Convertiblesells for RM142,000 in the US
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The 2009 model Audi A4 2 Door 2.0T Cabriolet Convertible sells in the
>> >>>> US for USD40,328.00 or RM142,357. In Malaysia the same car would sell
>> >>>> For about RM265,000.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> VW GTI 2.0Tsells for RM85,000 in the US
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the US the 2009 model Volkswagen GTI 2.0T sells for USD 24,039 or
>> >>>> RM85,000 only. In Chinathe same car will cost around RM60,000. Over
>> >>>> Here the same VW car sells for about RM200,000.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And the 2010 model Toyota Camry 2.4Lsells in the US for USD 19,659.00
>> >>>> Or RM69,396In Malaysia the 2008 Toyota Camry 2.4L sells for
>> >>>> RM170,000. Toyota Camry 2.4L, 2010 model. RM69,000 in the US
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Car prices in Malaysia are about three times higher than the prices
>> >>>> in The
>> >>>>
>> >>>> United States .
>> >>>> We are a developing nation. Our land and labour Costs are so much
>> >>>> cheaper
>> >>>> than
>> >>>> the US . Why are our cars so expensive?
>> >>>> It does not make any sense. Tak masuk akal.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Then here are some car prices from our neighbour Indonesia . The
>> >>>> Toyota Altissells in Indonesiafor about RM46,000. The same car sells
>> >>>> Here for around RM 112,000.Again we are three times more expensive
>> >>>> Than Indonesia .
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The Honda Jazz sells here for RM108,000.. In Indonesiathe Jazz sells
>> >>>> For RM 36,000. Three times more expensive.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We are paying ridiculously high prices (and actually impoverishing
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> Malays ? who are the largest buyers of cars in Malaysia) to support
>> >>>> an
>> >>>> Out of date, out of touch with reality motor car policy.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We are paying the highest car prices in the world to support the
>> >>>> Proton and other locally made cars as well as support a mind boggling
>> >>>> AP policy which only benefits a relatively few rich Malays. A
>> >>>> Disproportionately
>> >>>> large number of Malays and other Malaysians are Being impoverished to
>> >>>> subsidise
>> >>>> the wealth of a few inefficient rich.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 26 million Malaysians have to pay three times more for their cars
>> >>>> just To
>> >>>> support Proton and 120,000 people who are directly and indirectly
>> >>>> Involved
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> the motor sector in Malaysia and the AP holders. That is a Ratio of
>> >>>> 216:1.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This ratio of 216:1 is too skewed. 26.0 million happier people can
>> >>>> Contribute
>> >>>> many more votes than 120,000 members of an inefficient Motor
>> >>>> industry. 26
>> >>>> million unhappy people can change a Government.
>> >>>> (The maths is not really difficult here)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And this outdated policy is impoverishing the Malays more than anyone
>> >>>> else.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here is some news from our DPM Tan Sri Muhyudin Yassin about our car
>> >>>> Policy. This is truncated:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Muhyiddin assures govt support for automotive parts and component
>> >>>> sector
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1. KUALA LUMPUR, May 26 ? The deputy prime minister said special
>> >>>> focus
>> >>>> Will be given to ?facilitate and encourage? the development of the
>> >>>> Automotive parts and component sector despite the current global and
>> >>>> Regional economic downturn.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2. ?Under the CEPT and Asean Trade in Goods Agreements, Malaysia has
>> >>>> Agreed to eliminate import duties on all products in the Normal Track
>> >>>> On January 1, 2010. This includes motor vehicles, auto parts and
>> >>>> Components,? he said.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 3. He pointed out that . . . The motor vehicle sub sector in Malaysia
>> >>>> Will not be directly impacted because of its heavy dependence on the
>> >>>> Domestic market.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 4. ?The Malaysian government recognises the contribution of the
>> >>>> Domestic automotive industry towards the development of the country.?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Para 2 sounds promising but then Para 3 and 4 basically says that the
>> >>>> Malaysian motor car industry will continue to be protected. This
>> >>>> means
>> >>>> We will continue paying the highest car prices in the world for
>> >>>> Automobiles.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cuba Kita kira : kalau kereta Honda Jazz di jual dengan harga yang
>> >>>> Sebenarnya (lebih kurang RM36,000 saja) Dan bukan pada harga sekarang
>> >>>> (RM108,000) maksudnya bayaran bulanan pembeli kereta akan jadi
>> >>>> kurang,
>> >>>> mungkin sepertiga sahaja daripada bayaran bulanan sekarang.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jika sekarang orang bayar RM1,500 sebulan untuk beli Honda Jazz,
>> >>>> kalau
>> >>>> harga kereta lebih menepati harga pasaran dunia, orang kita perlu
>> >>>> bayar sekitar RM500 saja sebulan.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Maksudnya tanpa Kerajaan perlu membuat apa pun (merangsang ekonomi,
>> >>>> belanja berpuluh billion Ringgit duit rakyat untuk stimulus dan
>> >>>> sebagainya) setiap rakyat Malaysia yang membeli kereta yang seharga
>> >>>> dengan Honda Jazz akan dapat menjimatkan sehingga RM1,000 sebulan
>> >>>> daripada kos sara hidup bulanannya.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This is like giving the car buyer an RM1000 pay rise without
>> >>>> incurring
>> >>>> any extra costs for the taxpayer, the Government or the economy. It
>> >>>> will greatly reduce the cost of living in Malaysia and spur greater
>> >>>> economic growth too.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tapi sekarang, yang menjadi mangsa dulu dan yang menjadi miskin dulu
>> >>>> orang Melayu juga. Orang Melayu yang paling ramai sekali menjadi
>> >>>> pembeli kereta dalam negara kita. Orang Melayu kebanyakannya makan
>> >>>> gaji ? tiap bulan dapat gaji tetap. Bila harga kereta naik gila, yang
>> >>>> menjadi miskin di saf depan sekali adalah orang Melayu juga.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In absolute numbers, the Malays are suffering the most because they
>> >>>> are the most in number among the fixed income people who also buy
>> >>>> cars.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Some folks said the other day that Proton has 150 major component
>> >>>> suppliers, dealers, distributors and about 500 other parts suppliers
>> >>>> too. Of the 150 major component suppliers, about 15 of them are
>> >>>> listed
>> >>>> companies. In total they employ about 120,000 people. The Proton
>> >>>> supply chain is a mix of bumiputras and non bumiputras. But here is a
>> >>>> sad fact : none of them are operating at their level best efficiency.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Our motor car policy is forcing Malaysians to subsidise Proton so
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> Proton can sustain major inefficiencies in the Malaysian economy.
>> >>>> This
>> >>>> is not a good thing at all.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We have to unwind this situation. Set a target of 18 months from now
>> >>>> to unwind all protection for our motor industry. Remove the
>> >>>> impoverishing AP policy also in 18 months. Let Malaysian car prices
>> >>>> reflect world market prices for the same makes of cars.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If a BMW 535 sells for RM178,000 in America , it should sell for a
>> >>>> little less here in Malaysia (our rentals and salaries are cheaper).
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The Ministers continue making pronouncements about the car industry
>> >>>> as
>> >>>> though nothing has happened. I hope everyone will please wake up. The
>> >>>> Government has a real chance of getting thrown out of office in about
>> >>>> three years. The people will not accept inept answers anymore.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The ridiculous car prices in Malaysia is an issue that is just
>> >>>> beginning to get more attention and publicity. It is going to become
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> really big issue in the near future. Be forewarned.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>> >>>> Share your memories online with anyone you want anyone you want.
>> >>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>> >>>> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>>
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>> >>
>> >
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1f.: Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

Posted by: "asbimoha@gmail.com" asbimoha@gmail.com asmawi_mohamad

Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:05 am (PDT)

Saya rasa ramai org tersilap fasal cukai di Malaysia dan di US ni. Sewaktu saya kerja di sana akhir tahun 90an dulu cukai yang dikenakan kpd saya ialah dalam 28pc. Sekarang cukai yang saya bayar dekat2 25pc jugak. Itu tak masuk road tax yg dekat rm400 di sini (kat US stiker Plat hanya dalam usd5 sahaja). Tol jangan kira lah. Sebulan dekat2 300. Itu utk urusan kerja sahaja. Kalau bercuti atau outstation lagi teruk la. Kat US pun ada tol tapi hanya utk interstate tertentu sahaja dan rate nya taklah sampai puluh2 ringgit sehala macam kat sini. Saya tak nak ulas fasal harga kereta sebab yang tu semua orang sudah tau.
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-----Original Message-----
From: rezal_sapuan@amtek.my
Sender: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:42:34
To: <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

Salam,

Kalau tak silap saya income tax kat us dalam 25% .... memang tinggi ....
Macam kat Malaysia income tax rendah je ... Macam saya lepas tolak rebat
zakat pendapatan, anak dan insuran perubatan, masih ada terlebih bayar
lagi ... baru2 ni dapat cek RM685 dari LHDN ...

Kesimpulan ... terpulang pada diri sendiri untuk menilainya ...

From: waja timur <kayyanne78@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: 21/07/2010 03:56 PM
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com

Salam,

Nak mencelah sikit jek... Apa la yang kita nak bandingkan sistem ekonomi kita dengan US tu... Ramai orang tgk harga kereta kat US lagi murah dari
kat sini... Dan abaikan faktor lain...

Tapi jangan lupa... US memang tak letak cukai tinggi pada kereta... Lagi ganas, diorang belasah dekat cukai pendapatan atau dalam bahasa lain
Income Tax... Aku takde exact figure tapi setakat pengetahuan cetek aku nie, Income Tax kat US bapak tinggi dari kat sini....

Kesimpulan, mana lagi ok ... Cukai keta tinggi which kita ada pilihan either nak bayar ke tak (erti kata lain tak yah beli)..Or Income Tax tinggi
yang kita nak tak nak memang kena bayar? Kalau tak bayar, government bole rampas segala harta benda...

Pikir la.. Jangan tak pikir...

2 kupang jek...

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Cinan <nuriez76@rocketmail.com> wrote:

From: Cinan <nuriez76@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 9:03 PM

Kita sebenarnya idup mengemis kat negara sendiri. Memang betul sesetengah pendapat, umpama negara kita nie tak punya apa-apa sumber. Sedangkan
dimata rakyat, pemimpin mendabik dada mengisytiharkan rakyat malaysia lah yang sepatutnya tadah tangan bersyukur kepada kerajaan kerana nikmat
pembangunan yang diberi oleh kerajaan pemerintah.

Negara kita seperti tak ada loji carigali minyak di dalam negeri, sehinggakan minyak kita paling antara yang mahal di kalangan negara
pengeluar minyak. (nak nampak murah, balik-balik harga minyak kita dibandingkan dengan singapura, depa mana loji sendiri).

Harga kereta mengalahkan harga rumah kos sederhana. Nak murah beli kereta cap malaysia, tetapi teknologi masih lagi menyadur dari kereta jepun
5 tahun lepas. Mari bezakan dengan jenama Korea (kini dah tembus pasaran US & eropah akibat peningkatan teknologi & ciri keselamatan &
piawaian product yang ketat) pasaran semakin meluas, seterusnya meningkatlah jumlah pengeluaran, maka boleh lah direndahkan harga bagi
keluaran tempatan. Tak percaya buka web korea/jepun tengok sendiri harga tempatan kereta mereka berapa. (orang proton, produa, MITI kena pi
belajar asas ekonomi lagi nie)

P/s:- kekadang tertanya-tanya, apa kesudahannya cerita lawak di malaysia nie....

From: baddRi Rozaimi <zordaq@yahoo. com>
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Monday, 19 July 2010 11:38:14
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

Entah laa.. aku pun rasa pelik... aku rasa dia orang naik sebab nak cover bonus kot.. yg sedia ada untuk bulan2 dia orang jer... so kita laa
yg akan bg bonus raya kat dia orang.. sedih..saman speed track dah kena bayar.. nak gi jalan2 kena bayar...( tol laa.. minyak laa.makan lg.)..
cukai sana sini.(cukai kereta laa.. pintu.. tanah laa..mcam2 cukai) . harga kereta tinggi.. mcam beli kat negara luar.. minyak mahal mcam kita
beli kat US.. gula naik mcam kita takde ladang tebu....orang yang akan merana org gaji bawah RM3000.00.. kena ada keluarga.. mampus laa si
bapak tu.. kerja laa siang malam.. nak dapat rm1000 lg.. haha pening..

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From: almustaqeem <almustaqeem@ yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 5:41:29 PM
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia

salam...

kete mahal... minyak pon dah naik harga (lagi), roadtax tahun2 kena bayar... tol bersepah jalan sikit tol... jalan sikit tol...

tapi kenderaan tetap banyak di jalan raya....

miskin kah kita??? ;-p

--- On Fri, 7/16/10, zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: zamri harun <zamlope@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Cc: bwasi@yahoo. com
Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 12:50 PM

Sungguh malang bila kita mula mempolitikan apa sahaja. Begitu mudah bercakap dan mengutuk apalagi cakap cakap tersebut tidak perlu kepada kajian dan
kebenaran. Pada pendapat saya, setiap kali kita mahu berhujah, kita perlukan hujah yang matang dan berintelek, yang dibuat sedikit analysis about
'why' do that and why dont. Cakap2 pasar yg tidak berlandasan kajian dan dayafikir ini adalah cakap2 politik yang murah. Fenomena cakap2 murah ini
amatlah mewarnai negara sekarang. Ini semua adalah kerugian yg besar kepada negara bila rakyat semakin dibodohkan oleh politik dan cuba bercakap
sesuatu yg mereka sendiri tidak arif tetapi cuba bertindak sebagai di pihak yang betul dan arif. Memalukan jika kita membaca tulisan dibawah.

--- On Wed, 7/14/10, bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo. com>
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 2:21 AM

Sapa kata Malaysia developing nation?. Kita dah masuk tahap negara majulah..actually kita dah capai status sama dengan USA masa tahun 2005
lepas gawat 1998.

Kita ialah juara forum, macam2 forum, dan juga macam2 sukan international F1, F2 , Moonsoon, Langkawi, Komanwel, Selatan-Selatan, . Selain itu
kita juga dah jadi United Nation ..- banyak Indon , bangla, Gurkha. Itu bukti Malaysia adalah negara maju.

jalan pulak sesak, dan banyak berlubang,dan banyk 'aksi'den, itu bukti kenderaan terlalu bnayk walaupun 3x ganda mahal..apalagi kalau dah
murah...sebab itu Malaysia ialah negara maju.

Selain kerja tetap, Kita juga buat part-time - oleh itu banyak MLM, Diamond, Intan, manager - dapat pulak bonus kereta....Bini pun kena kerja
tak macam dulu2....so itu pun bukti kita negara maju.

Tak perlu tunggu 2020.

--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, sheerina reen <chomels76@.. .> wrote:
>
>
>
> Subject: Fw: Car Prices In Malaysia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
>
> Numbers given in this email are not verified. If anyone can confirm or add
> similar figures, please feel free to reply this email. One comparison I found
> is Avanza 1.3MT in Indonesia is RM46,000 while in Malaysia its RM62,000.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Car Prices In Malaysia
>
> BMW 535isells for RM178,000 in the US
>
> In the United States of America (a developed country which we are also
> Aspiring to become by the year 2020) a 2009 model BMW 535i Sedan is
> Selling for about USD50,367.00. This is only RM178,000 ? about the
> Price of a Toyota Camry 2.4L here in Malaysia . The same BMW sells in
> Malaysia for about RM450,000.
>
>
>
> BMW 328isells for RM155,000 in the US
>
> The 2009 model BMW 328i 2 door Convertible sells for USD44,014 or
> RM155,369.00 in the US . In Malaysia the same car sells for over
> RM460,000.This is an untenable situation.
>
>
>
> Audi A4 2.0T Cabriolet Convertiblesells for RM142,000 in the US
>
> The 2009 model Audi A4 2 Door 2.0T Cabriolet Convertible sells in the
> US for USD40,328.00 or RM142,357. In Malaysia the same car would sell
> For about RM265,000.
>
>
>
> VW GTI 2.0Tsells for RM85,000 in the US
>
> In the US the 2009 model Volkswagen GTI 2.0T sells for USD 24,039 or
> RM85,000 only. In Chinathe same car will cost around RM60,000. Over
> Here the same VW car sells for about RM200,000.
>
>
>
> And the 2010 model Toyota Camry 2.4Lsells in the US for USD 19,659.00
> Or RM69,396In Malaysia the 2008 Toyota Camry 2.4L sells for
> RM170,000. Toyota Camry 2.4L, 2010 model. RM69,000 in the US
>
>
> Car prices in Malaysia are about three times higher than the prices in The
> United States .
> We are a developing nation. Our land and labour Costs are so much cheaper than
> the US . Why are our cars so expensive?
> It does not make any sense. Tak masuk akal.
>
> Then here are some car prices from our neighbour Indonesia . The
> Toyota Altissells in Indonesiafor about RM46,000. The same car sells
> Here for around RM 112,000.Again we are three times more expensive
> Than Indonesia .
>
> The Honda Jazz sells here for RM108,000.. In Indonesiathe Jazz sells
> For RM 36,000. Three times more expensive.
> g ridiculously high prices (and actually impoverishing the
> Malays ? who are the largest buyers of cars in Malaysia) to support an
> Out of date, out of touch with reality motor car policy.
>
> We are paying the highest car prices in the world to support the
> Proton and other locally made cars as well as support a mind boggling
> AP policy which only benefits a relatively few rich Malays. A Disproportionately
> large number of Malays and other Malaysians are Being impoverished to subsidise
> the wealth of a few inefficient rich.
>
>
> 26 million Malaysians have to pay three times more for their cars just To
> support Proton and 120,000 people who are directly and indirectly Involved in
> the motor sector in Malaysia and the AP holders. That is a Ratio of 216:1.
>
> This ratio of 216:1 is too skewed. 26.0 million happier people can Contribute
> many more votes than 120,000 members of an inefficient Motor industry. 26
> million unhappy people can change a Government.
> (The maths is not really difficult here)
>
> And this outdated policy is impoverishing the Malays more than anyone else.
>
> Here is some news from our DPM Tan Sri Muhyudin Yassin about our car
> Policy. This is truncated:
>
> Muhyiddin assures govt support for automotive parts and component sector
>
> 1. KUALA LUMPUR, May 26 ? The deputy prime minister said special focus
> Will be given to ?facilitate and encourage? the development of the
> Automotive parts and component sector despite the current global and
> Regional economic downturn.
>
> 2. ?Under the CEPT and Asean Trade in Goods Agreements, Malaysia has
> Agreed to eliminate import duties on all products in the Normal Track
> On January 1, 2010. This includes motor vehicles, auto parts and
> Components,? he said.
>
> 3. He pointed out that . . . The motor vehicle sub sector in Malaysia
> Will not be directly impacted because of its heavy dependence on the
> Domestic market.
>
> 4. ?The Malaysian government recognises the contribution of the
> Domestic automotive industry towards the development of the country.?
>
>
> Para 2 sounds promising but then Para 3 and 4 basically says that the
> Malaysian motor car industry will continue to be protected. This means
> We will continue paying the highest car prices in the world for
> Automobiles.
>
>
> Cuba Kita kira : kalau kereta Honda Jazz di jual dengan harga yang
> Sebenarnya (lebih kurang RM36,000 saja) Dan bukan pada harga sekarang
> (RM108,000) maksudnya bayaran bulanan pembeli kereta akan jadi kurang,
> mungkin sepertiga sahaja daripada bayaran bulanan sekarang.
>
>
> Jika sekarang orang bayar RM1,500 sebulan untuk beli Honda Jazz, kalau
> harga kereta lebih menepati harga pasaran dunia, orang kita perlu
> bayar sekitar RM500 saja sebulan.
>
>
> Maksudnya tanpa Kerajaan perlu membuat apa pun (merangsang ekonomi,
> belanja berpuluh billion Ringgit duit rakyat untuk stimulus dan
> sebagainya) setiap rakyat Malaysia yang membeli kereta yang seharga
> dengan Honda Jazz akan dapat menjimatkan sehingga RM1,000 sebulan
> daripada kos sara hidup bulanannya.
>
>
> This is like giving the car buyer an RM1000 pay rise without incurring
> any extra costs for the taxpayer, the Government or the economy. It
> will greatly reduce the cost of living in Malaysia and spur greater
> economic growth too.
>
>
> Tapi sekarang, yang menjadi mangsa dulu dan yang menjadi miskin dulu
> orang Melayu juga. Orang Melayu yang paling ramai sekali menjadi
> pembeli kereta dalam negara kita. Orang Melayu kebanyakannya makan
> gaji ? tiap bulan dapat gaji tetap. Bila harga kereta naik gila, yang
> menjadi miskin di saf depan sekali adalah orang Melayu juga.
>
>
> In absolute numbers, the Malays are suffering the most because they
> are the most in number among the fixed income people who also buy
> cars.
>
> Some folks said the other day that Proton has 150 major component
> suppliers, dealers, distributors and about 500 other parts suppliers
> too. Of the 150 major component suppliers, about 15 of them are listed
> companies. In total they employ about 120,000 people. The Proton
> supply chain is a mix of bumiputras and non bumiputras. But here is a
> sad fact : none of them are operating at their level best efficiency.
>
>
> Our motor car policy is forcing Malaysians to subsidise Proton so that
> Proton can sustain major inefficiencies in the Malaysian economy. This
> is not a good thing at all.
>
>
> We have to unwind this situation. Set a target of 18 months from now
> to unwind all protection for our motor industry. Remove the
> impoverishing AP policy also in 18 months. Let Malaysian car prices
> reflect world market prices for the same makes of cars.
>
>
> If a BMW 535 sells for RM178,000 in America , it should sell for a
> little less here in Malaysia (our rentals and salaries are cheaper).
>
>
> The Ministers continue making pronouncements about the car industry as
> though nothing has happened. I hope everyone will please wake up. The
> Government has a real chance of getting thrown out of office in about
> three years. The people will not accept inept answers anymore.
>
>
> The ridiculous car prices in Malaysia is an issue that is just
> beginning to get more attention and publicity. It is going to become a
> really big issue in the near future. Be forewarned.
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2a.: Re: AVANZA 1.3 AUTO

Posted by: "Shahrul Izwan" Shahrul.Izwan@wdc.com

Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:23 pm (PDT)

Haha..xpa nanti saya cek balik...dulu selalu dok beli majalah Motoring
(Singapore punye, time tu autocar asean dan sewaktu dgnnya belum ada
lagi),memang depa dok ada list spec keta yg di-review..dari situ yg saya tau
g/box manual ada OD...xpa nanti saya cek kot la salah pandang...

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Of Sukam99
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:38 PM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - AVANZA 1.3 AUTO

Just sukam99 aje...

...Rasenye kereta manual tak pernah ade / atau takkan ade OD..

..kalau alat yang maintain kelajuan tu ade lah....orang panggil
auto-cruise..

..Just 2 cents ..

From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shahrul Izwan
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:26 AM
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - AVANZA 1.3 AUTO

setahu saya mmg ada,cuma bezanya hanya gearbox auto (itupun sesetgh model
seperti Kembara,Sentra Wira 1.6) mempunyai suis utk on/off OD..sedara bule
tgk pada spec list keta..biasanya dlm spec list bahagian gearbox pengeluar
akan list gear ratio dari gear satu sampai la OD termasuk reverse..

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Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:58 PM
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Gearbox manual ada overdrive? Cam mana tu?

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Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - AVANZA 1.3 AUTO

Salam,

Kalau diikutkan semua gearbox baik manual mahupun auto ada gear
overdrive..perbezaannya ialah sesetengah gearbox membolehkan driver utk
off/on gear OD nie...

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Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 4:36 PM
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Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - AVANZA 1.3 AUTO

PEMBETULAN KENYATAAN SAYA SEBELUM INI....

AVANZA 1.3 AUTO MMG ADA OVERDRIVE (OD)....

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2b.: Re: AVANZA 1.3 AUTO

Posted by: "Mohmad Abdullah" mbabest@hotmail.com matdollahmy

Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:53 am (PDT)

AVANZA ada auto cruise ke?

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3a.: Re: Price increase for Proton Exora 1.6 Around Rm1000 by next month.

Posted by: "Suzana Othman" suzanaothman57@yahoo.com suzanaothman57

Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:26 pm (PDT)

please do not mislead....it is not a price increase....it is limited edition in
conjunction with proton's 25th anniversary celebration ....OTR plus RM1000

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Rm1000 by next month.Please book now for old price...saga and persona available
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Hi friends,

There will be price increase by Rm 1000 for all model Proton Exora 1600
cc.Please book now for old price.Saga and persona available for zero down
payment

Zero down payment available

***just summit document only for car with zero down payment scheme-available for
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Special promotion
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Proton Waja discount Rm3000

PROTON SAGA 1.3 AT & MT

P.Saga B-Line 1.3MT RM36998
P.Saga B-Line 1.3AT RM39998

P.Saga M-Line 1.3MT RM39498
P.Saga M-Line 1.3 AT RM41998

Price for new Proton Persona Elegance 1.6 AT & MT

Proton Persona Elegance 1.6 MT B-LINE RM46499
Proton Persona Elegance 1.6 AT B-LINE RM49499

Proton Persona Elegance 1.6 MT M-LINE RM52999
Proton Persona Elegance 1.6 AT M-LINE RM55999

Proton Persona Elegance 1.6 AT H-LINE RM59499

PROTON EXORA 1.6MT
P.Exora B-Line 1.6MT Rm 57998.00

PROTON EXORA 1.6 AT OR MT
1.P.Exora H-Line 1.6AT Rm 75998.00
2.P.Exora M-Line 1.6AT Rm 69998.00
3.P.Exora M-Line 1.6MT Rm 64998.00

P.Waja 1.6 MT Rm56,888.00
P.Waja 1.6 AT Rm 59,888.00

For more information please call me jega at012-3332230.

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Re: AVANZA 1.3 AUTO

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Re: AVANZA 1.3 AUTO

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Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:53 am (PDT)

Re: Price increase for Proton Exora 1.6 Around Rm1000 by next month.

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Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:26 pm (PDT)

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