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Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:03 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Nazri Ahtar" littlenoti
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>tapi lebih kecil.
>
>
>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>
>________________________________
> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
>
>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian consumers.
>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>org tamak selalu rugi....
>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
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>
>....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my > wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
>>Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>>
>>From:automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
>>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>>To: zzxmelayucyber
>>Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>>Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>By Naveen Victor| Motor Trader Malaysia
>>
>>Proton Gen 2
>>Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?
>>Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>>Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>>
>>In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>>No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>>Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>>Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>>These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>>Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>>At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
>>Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>>Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most sophisticated offering yet
>>
>>Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>>That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>>Proton's Saga of the future
>>
>>Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
>>DISCLAIMER:
>>This e-mail and the attachment is from Telekom Malaysia Berhad (TM). It is intended solely for the person to whom they are addressed and may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, distributing, copying or taking any action in reliance of the content of this information is strictly prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you have received this e-mail and delete it from your system. The recipient should check the e-mail and any attachment for the presence of viruses that could be transmitted via e-mail. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, incomplete or contain viruses. TM accepts no liability for any errors or omissions in the contents
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rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
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From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>tapi lebih kecil.
>
>
>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>
>________
> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
>To: "automobil@yahoogrou
>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
>
>
>
>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian consumers.
>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>org tamak selalu rugi....
>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
>
>
>
>________
> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>To: automobil@yahoogrou
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
>
>
>
>
>....yes still relevant....
>
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.
>
>
>>
>>Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
>>Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>>
>>From:automobil@yahoogrou
>>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>>To: zzxmelayucyber
>>Subject: www.groupautomobil.
>>
>>
>>Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>By Naveen Victor| Motor Trader Malaysia
>>
>>Proton Gen 2
>>Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?
>>Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>>Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>>
>>In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>>No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>>Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>>Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>>These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>>Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>>At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
>>Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>>Proton&#
>>
>>Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>>That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>>Proton&#
>>
>>Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
>>DISCLAIMER:
>>This e-mail and the attachment is from Telekom Malaysia Berhad (TM). It is intended solely for the person to whom they are addressed and may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, distributing, copying or taking any action in reliance of the content of this information is strictly prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you have received this e-mail and delete it from your system. The recipient should check the e-mail and any attachment for the presence of viruses that could be transmitted via e-mail. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, incomplete or contain viruses. TM accepts no liability for any errors or omissions in the contents
of this message which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this e-mail that does not relate to the official business of TM shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by TM.
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:13 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"MHZ" mohamad_hadi
yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com
> <mailto:littlenoti@yahoo.com >> wrote:
>
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi
> punya harga.
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >>
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >" <automobil@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >>
> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.com <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >" <bwasi@yahoo.com
> <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ > - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level
> of Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com
> <mailto:farah33sukri@gmail.com >>
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ > - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> ....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria
> <zruslan@tm.com.my <mailto:zruslan@tm.com.my >> wrote:
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga
> yg dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
> *From:*automobil@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >
> [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >] *On Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:-
> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ > - Fw: Is Proton
> Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> _Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?_
>
> Motor Trader Malaysia <http://motortrader.com.my/ >By /Naveen
> Victor/| /Motor Trader Malaysia/
> <http://my.news.yahoo.com/photos/proton-still-relevant-malaysians-photo-084644368.html >
> Proton Gen 2
> /Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly
> difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they're in
> permanent decline?/
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it
> has to be said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton
> Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national
> pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a
> car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards
> becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/w7LU3Qv_UvP5pH_d395hAg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/278866_201107_06_pro-20130813-085018-231.jpg >
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43
> per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite
> Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units
> (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles,
> which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In
> contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of
> the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151
> sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355
> sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial
> vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some
> pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind
> it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer,
> as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000
> Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which
> makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
> <http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/CYFB8KFIzXmJojtYvSyP4g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/430622_63746pro-DSC_2977rt-20130813-085019-363.jpg >
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the
> Prevé
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are
> taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners
> DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes
> and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if
> they're being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013,
> Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two
> years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next
> five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus
> on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the
> hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this
> already happening is wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest
> threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands.
> The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and
> localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at
> ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera
> got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of
> just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the
> all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda
> shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of
> the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the
> reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium
> to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than
> RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly
> payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the
> other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed,
> for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of
> RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for
> that money (and who wouldn't rather have new over used?) then
> you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the
> buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude as
> salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or
> unfavourable spec.
> <http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/K2uC0bbbtPdOAkh3OGfOgw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/Screen-Shot-2013-08-06-at-3.02.35-PM-20130813-085017-736.jpg >
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the
> company's most sophisticated offering yet
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly
> have options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude.
> It's not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton
> or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet
> of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy
> from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the
> same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the
> very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as
> basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more
> favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the
> Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad admission to
> make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed
> in-house.
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lCIdKLhDysYvoDqNYHsanQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/398349_62233-c-pro-20130813-085018-736.jpg >
> Proton's Saga of the future
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still
> relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton
> sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the
> same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in
> September this year, which should help create some extra
> excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are
> on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in
> two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the
> second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something
> happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with
> Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
> DISCLAIMER:
> This e-mail and the attachment is from Telekom Malaysia Berhad
> (TM). It is intended solely for the person to whom they are
> addressed and may be confidential and privileged. If you are
> not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing,
> distributing, copying or taking any action in reliance of the
> content of this information is strictly prohibited. Please
> notify the sender immediately if you have received this e-mail
> and delete it from your system. The recipient should check the
> e-mail and any attachment for the presence of viruses that
> could be transmitted via e-mail. Email transmission cannot be
> guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be
> intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, incomplete or contain
> viruses. TM accepts no liability for any errors or omissions
> in the contents of this message which arises as a result of
> e-mail transmission. Opinions, conclusions and other
> information in this e-mail that does not relate to the
> official business of TM shall be understood as neither given
> nor endorsed by TM.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
> <mailto:littlenoti@yahoo.
>
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi
> punya harga.
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogrou
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.
> <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level
> of Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> <mailto:farah33sukri@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> ....yes still relevant....
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria
> <zruslan@tm.com.
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga
> yg dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
> *From:*automobil@yahoogro
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
> [mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.
> <http://www.groupaut
> Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> _Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?_
>
> Motor Trader Malaysia <http://motortrader.
> Victor/| /Motor Trader Malaysia/
> <http://my.news.
> Proton Gen 2
> /Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly
> difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they're in
> permanent decline?/
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it
> has to be said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton
> Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national
> pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a
> car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards
> becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
> <http://l1.yimg.
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43
> per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite
> Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units
> (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles,
> which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In
> contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of
> the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151
> sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355
> sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial
> vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some
> pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind
> it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer,
> as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000
> Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which
> makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
> <http://l.yimg.
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the
> Prevé
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are
> taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners
> DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes
> and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if
> they're being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013,
> Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two
> years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next
> five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus
> on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the
> hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this
> already happening is wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest
> threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands.
> The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and
> localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at
> ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera
> got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of
> just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the
> all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda
> shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of
> the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the
> reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium
> to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than
> RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly
> payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the
> other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed,
> for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of
> RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for
> that money (and who wouldn't rather have new over used?) then
> you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the
> buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude as
> salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or
> unfavourable spec.
> <http://l3.yimg.
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the
> company'
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly
> have options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude.
> It's not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton
> or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet
> of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy
> from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the
> same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the
> very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as
> basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more
> favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the
> Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad admission to
> make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed
> in-house.
> <http://l1.yimg.
> Proton's Saga of the future
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still
> relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton
> sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the
> same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in
> September this year, which should help create some extra
> excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are
> on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in
> two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the
> second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something
> happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with
> Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:46 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Nazri Ahtar" littlenoti
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap :)
with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
>
>
>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>>tapi lebih kecil.
>>
>>
>>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
>>
>>rgds,
>>Nazri Ahtar
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>>
>>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian consumers.
>>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>>org tamak selalu rugi....
>>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
>>>Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>>>
>>>From:automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
>>>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>>>To: zzxmelayucyber
>>>Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>
>>>
>>>Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>By Naveen Victor| Motor Trader Malaysia
>>>
>>>Proton Gen 2
>>>Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?
>>>Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>>>Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>>>
>>>In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>>>No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>>>Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>>>Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>>>These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>>>Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>>>At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
>>>Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>>>Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most sophisticated offering yet
>>>
>>>Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>>>That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>>>Proton's Saga of the future
>>>
>>>Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
rgds,
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____________
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>
>________
> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>To: automobil@yahoogrou
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
>
>
>
>
>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
>
>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>>tapi lebih kecil.
>>
>>
>>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
>>
>>rgds,
>>Nazri Ahtar
>>
>>
>>____
>> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
>>To: "automobil@yahoogrou
>>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.
>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
>>
>>
>>
>>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian consumers.
>>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>>org tamak selalu rugi....
>>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>____
>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>>To: automobil@yahoogrou
>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>....
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.
>>
>>
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"MHZ" mohamad_hadi
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri
farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
> ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star
> encap :)
> with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in
>> a car....
>> rgds,
>> Nazri Ahtar
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>> <mailto:farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
>> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ > - Fw: Is Proton Still
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
>> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com
>> <mailto:littlenoti@yahoo.com >> wrote:
>>
>> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>> tapi lebih kecil.
>>
>> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi
>> punya harga.
>> rgds,
>> Nazri Ahtar
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >>
>> *To:* "automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >" <automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >>
>> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.com <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >" <bwasi@yahoo.com
>> <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >>
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
>> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ > - Fw: Is Proton Still
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level
>> of Msian consumers.
>> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>> org tamak selalu rugi....
>> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com
>> <mailto:farah33sukri@gmail.com >>
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
>> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ > - Fw: Is Proton Still
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> ....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria
>> <zruslan@tm.com.my <mailto:zruslan@tm.com.my >> wrote:
>>
>> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga
>> yg dieksport.
>> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>> *From:*automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>> [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >] *On Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:-
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
>> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
>> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ > - Fw: Is Proton
>> Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>> _Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?_
>>
>> Motor Trader Malaysia <http://motortrader.com.my/ >By /Naveen
>> Victor/| /Motor Trader Malaysia/
>> <http://my.news.yahoo.com/photos/proton-still-relevant-malaysians-photo-084644368.html >
>> Proton Gen 2
>> /Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly
>> difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they're in
>> permanent decline?/
>> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it
>> has to be said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton
>> Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national
>> pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a
>> car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards
>> becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/w7LU3Qv_UvP5pH_d395hAg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/278866_201107_06_pro-20130813-085018-231.jpg >
>> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43
>> per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite
>> Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753
>> units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121
>> vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per
>> cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per
>> cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow
>> with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed
>> just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being
>> commercial vehicle sales.
>> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some
>> pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history
>> behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian
>> car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about
>> 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries,
>> which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>> <http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/CYFB8KFIzXmJojtYvSyP4g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/430622_63746pro-DSC_2977rt-20130813-085019-363.jpg >
>> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the
>> Prevé
>> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are
>> taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners
>> DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes
>> and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if
>> they're being overly ambitious. As recently as late June
>> 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that
>> their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within
>> two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the
>> next five years.
>> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus
>> on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the
>> hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this
>> already happening is wide spread.
>> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest
>> threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean
>> brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN
>> production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of
>> products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the
>> Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a
>> starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started
>> locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to
>> RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with
>> insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the
>> reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium
>> to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than
>> RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly
>> payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the
>> other problem for Proton.
>> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously
>> employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard
>> ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a
>> new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather have new over
>> used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
>> than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave
>> it' attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars
>> in odd or unfavourable spec.
>> <http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/K2uC0bbbtPdOAkh3OGfOgw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/Screen-Shot-2013-08-06-at-3.02.35-PM-20130813-085017-736.jpg >
>> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the
>> company's most sophisticated offering yet
>> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly
>> have options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude.
>> It's not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton
>> or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet
>> of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy
>> from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the
>> same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in
>> the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as
>> basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more
>> favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the
>> Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad admission to
>> make but the very best Proton cars have always been those
>> that were re-badged efforts rather than something they
>> designed in-house.
>> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lCIdKLhDysYvoDqNYHsanQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/398349_62233-c-pro-20130813-085018-736.jpg >
>> Proton's Saga of the future
>> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still
>> relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton
>> sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the
>> same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in
>> September this year, which should help create some extra
>> excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are
>> on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in
>> two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the
>> second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something
>> happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
>> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with
>> Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
> ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star
> encap :)
> with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* MHZ <cekelatgetah@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in
>> a car....
>> rgds,
>> Nazri Ahtar
>>
>> ------------
>> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>> <mailto:farah33sukri@
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
>> <http://www.groupaut
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
>> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
>> <mailto:littlenoti@yahoo.
>>
>> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>> tapi lebih kecil.
>>
>> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi
>> punya harga.
>> rgds,
>> Nazri Ahtar
>>
>> ------------
>> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
>> *To:* "automobil@yahoogrou
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
>> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.
>> <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
>> <http://www.groupaut
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level
>> of Msian consumers.
>> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>> org tamak selalu rugi....
>> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>
>>
>> ------------
>> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>> <mailto:farah33sukri@
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
>> <http://www.groupaut
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> ....yes still relevant....
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria
>> <zruslan@tm.com.
>>
>> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga
>> yg dieksport.
>> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>> *From:*automobil@yahoogro
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
>> [mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
>> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.
>> <http://www.groupaut
>> Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>> _Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?_
>>
>> Motor Trader Malaysia <http://motortrader.
>> Victor/| /Motor Trader Malaysia/
>> <http://my.news.
>> Proton Gen 2
>> /Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly
>> difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they're in
>> permanent decline?/
>> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it
>> has to be said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton
>> Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national
>> pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a
>> car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards
>> becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>> <http://l1.yimg.
>> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43
>> per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite
>> Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753
>> units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121
>> vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per
>> cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per
>> cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow
>> with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed
>> just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being
>> commercial vehicle sales.
>> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some
>> pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history
>> behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian
>> car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about
>> 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries,
>> which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>> <http://l.yimg.
>> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the
>> Prevé
>> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are
>> taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners
>> DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes
>> and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if
>> they're being overly ambitious. As recently as late June
>> 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that
>> their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within
>> two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the
>> next five years.
>> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus
>> on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the
>> hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this
>> already happening is wide spread.
>> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest
>> threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean
>> brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN
>> production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of
>> products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the
>> Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a
>> starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started
>> locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to
>> RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with
>> insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the
>> reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium
>> to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than
>> RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly
>> payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the
>> other problem for Proton.
>> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously
>> employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard
>> ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a
>> new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather have new over
>> used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
>> than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave
>> it' attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars
>> in odd or unfavourable spec.
>> <http://l3.yimg.
>> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the
>> company'
>> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly
>> have options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude.
>> It's not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton
>> or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet
>> of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy
>> from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the
>> same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in
>> the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as
>> basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more
>> favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the
>> Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad admission to
>> make but the very best Proton cars have always been those
>> that were re-badged efforts rather than something they
>> designed in-house.
>> <http://l1.yimg.
>> Proton's Saga of the future
>> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still
>> relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton
>> sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the
>> same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in
>> September this year, which should help create some extra
>> excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are
>> on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in
>> two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the
>> second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something
>> happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
>> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with
>> Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
>> DISCLAIMER:
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Nazri Ahtar" littlenoti
biasalah bang....mana bleh ngaku kalah.....
topik asal pasal releven atau tidak proton....bukan comparison pun....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap :)
>with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>
>________________________________
> From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
>
>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>
>saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
>>
>>rgds,
>>Nazri Ahtar
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>>
>>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>>>tapi lebih kecil.
>>>
>>>
>>>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
>>>
>>>rgds,
>>>Nazri Ahtar
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>>>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian consumers.
>>>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>>>org tamak selalu rugi....
>>>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
>>>>Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>>>>
>>>>From:automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
>>>>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>>>>To: zzxmelayucyber
>>>>Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>By Naveen Victor| Motor Trader Malaysia
>>>>
>>>>Proton Gen 2
>>>>Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?
>>>>Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>>>>Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>>>>
>>>>In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>>>>No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>>>>Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>>>>Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>>>>These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>>>>Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>>>>At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
>>>>Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>>>>Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most sophisticated offering yet
>>>>
>>>>Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>>>>That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>>>>Proton's Saga of the future
>>>>
>>>>Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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topik asal pasal releven atau tidak proton....bukan comparison pun....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
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From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap :)
>with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>
>________
> From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
>To: automobil@yahoogrou
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
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>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
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>saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
>>
>>rgds,
>>Nazri Ahtar
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>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>>To: automobil@yahoogrou
>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
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>>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>>
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>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
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>>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
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"Nazri Ahtar" littlenoti
note dari FB....
"
Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D Mata selamat... Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti boleh menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna Orenje" *posted 11 hours ago*
ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan....kalau ler viva... or paling mahal pun....alza....ntah camna rupa....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
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From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap :)
>with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>
>________________________________
> From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
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>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
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>saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
>>
>>rgds,
>>Nazri Ahtar
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
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>>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
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>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
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>>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>>>tapi lebih kecil.
>>>
>>>
>>>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
>>>
>>>rgds,
>>>Nazri Ahtar
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>>> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>>>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
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>>>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian consumers.
>>>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>>>org tamak selalu rugi....
>>>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>>
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>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
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>>>....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
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>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my > wrote:
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>>>>Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
>>>>Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
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>>>>From:automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
>>>>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>>>>To: zzxmelayucyber
>>>>Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
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>>>>Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>By Naveen Victor| Motor Trader Malaysia
>>>>
>>>>Proton Gen 2
>>>>Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?
>>>>Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>>>>Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>>>>
>>>>In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>>>>No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>>>>Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>>>>Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>>>>These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>>>>Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>>>>At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
>>>>Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>>>>Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most sophisticated offering yet
>>>>
>>>>Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>>>>That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>>>>Proton's Saga of the future
>>>>
>>>>Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
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From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap :)
>with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>
>________
> From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
>To: automobil@yahoogrou
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
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>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>
>saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
>>
>>rgds,
>>Nazri Ahtar
>>
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>>____
>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>>To: automobil@yahoogrou
>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
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>>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
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>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
>>
>>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
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..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin maju rupenye
proton....
..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........syabas proton....
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
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> [Attachment(s) <#140c3860742dcd8e_TopText> from Nazri Ahtar included
> below]
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> note dari FB....
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> "
> Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang ** Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D
> Mata<http://www.facebook.com/czo.dmata?directed_target_id=323368984415479 > selamat...
> Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti boleh
> menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna Orenje<http://www.facebook.com/vanwarna.orenje?directed_target_id=323368984415479 >"
> *posted 11 hours ago*
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> ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan....kalau ler
> viva... or paling mahal pun....alza....ntah camna rupa....
>
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri
> farah.. yes...yes..
>
> On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>
> ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star
> encap :)
> with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com > <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
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> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
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> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com > <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
> harga.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
> Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my >wrote:
>
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
> dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
> *From:* automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:-
> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant
> To Malaysians?
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> *Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?*
> [image: Motor Trader Malaysia] <http://motortrader.com.my/ >By *Naveen
> Victor* | *Motor Trader Malaysia*
>
> <http://my.news.yahoo.com/photos/proton-still-relevant-malaysians-photo-084644368.html >
> Proton Gen 2
> *Malaysia�s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
> attract local buyers but does it mean they�re in permanent decline?*
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
> not all of it�s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July
> 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We
> had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards
> becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/w7LU3Qv_UvP5pH_d395hAg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/278866_201107_06_pro-20130813-085018-231.jpg >
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
> (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
> sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5
> per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of
> the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
> Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
> per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
> In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
> countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>
> <http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/CYFB8KFIzXmJojtYvSyP4g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/430622_63746pro-DSC_2977rt-20130813-085019-363.jpg >
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prev�
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a
> monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better
> future but one wonders if they�re being overly ambitious. As recently as
> late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell
> 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
> one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
> Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
> undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
> have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew
> of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan
> Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over
> RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its
> price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800
> with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
> buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
> Prev� manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
> increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
> the other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
> 20-years car buyers with a �hard ceiling� of RM65,000 had little or no
> choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn�t rather
> have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
> than not, the buyer also came up against a �take it or leave it� attitude
> as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>
> <http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/K2uC0bbbtPdOAkh3OGfOgw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/Screen-Shot-2013-08-06-at-3.02.35-PM-20130813-085017-736.jpg >
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prev� is probably the company's most
> sophisticated offering yet
>
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
> options and you get an �anything but Proton� attitude. It�s not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades,
> most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to
> do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn�t in the same
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
> clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
> probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It�s a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lCIdKLhDysYvoDqNYHsanQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/398349_62233-c-pro-20130813-085018-736.jpg >
> Proton's Saga of the future
>
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market
> that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prev�
> hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra
> excitement for the brand but it�s also clear to see sales are on downward
> slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see
> Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia.
> Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride
> whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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proton....
..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
> **
>
> [Attachment(
> below]
>
> note dari FB....
>
> "
> Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang ** Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D
> Mata<http://www.facebook
> Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti boleh
> menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna Orenje<http://www.facebook
> *posted 11 hours ago*
>
> ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan.
> viva... or paling mahal pun....alza.
>
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* MHZ <cekelatgetah@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri
> farah.. yes...yes..
>
> On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>
> ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star
> encap :)
> with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* MHZ <cekelatgetah@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>
> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
>
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
> harga.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogrou
> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
> Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ....yes still relevant....
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.
>
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
> dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
> *From:* automobil@yahoogrou
> Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:
> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.
> To Malaysians?
>
>
> *Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?*
> [image: Motor Trader Malaysia] <http://motortrader.
> Victor* | *Motor Trader Malaysia*
>
> <http://my.news.
> Proton Gen 2
> *Malaysia�s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
> attract local buyers but does it mean they�re in permanent decline?*
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
> not all of it�s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July
> 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We
> had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards
> becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>
> <http://l1.yimg.
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
> (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
> sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5
> per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of
> the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
> Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
> per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
> In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
> countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>
> <http://l.yimg.
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prev�
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a
> monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better
> future but one wonders if they�re being overly ambitious. As recently as
> late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell
> 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
> one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
> Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
> undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
> have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew
> of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan
> Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over
> RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its
> price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800
> with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
> buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
> Prev� manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
> increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
> the other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
> 20-years car buyers with a �hard ceiling� of RM65,000 had little or no
> choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn�t rather
> have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
> than not, the buyer also came up against a �take it or leave it� attitude
> as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>
> <http://l3.yimg.
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prev� is probably the company'
> sophisticated offering yet
>
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
> options and you get an �anything but Proton� attitude. It�s not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades,
> most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to
> do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn�t in the same
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
> clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
> probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It�s a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>
> <http://l1.yimg.
> Proton's Saga of the future
>
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market
> that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prev�
> hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra
> excitement for the brand but it�s also clear to see sales are on downward
> slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see
> Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia.
> Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride
> whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
> DISCLAIMER:
> This e-mail and the attachment is from Telekom Malaysia Berhad (TM). It is
> intended solely for the person to whom they are addressed and may be
> confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are
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> neither given nor endorsed by TM.
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>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Mohd Syaril Matsali" nesta41
Gear box PROTON perdana V6 aku dah nak masuk 2 kali jahanam ni... sapa nak
tolong... heeee
sayangi PROTON anda.... peace yaw!
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com ,
Date: 08/28/2013 02:17 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com
..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin maju rupenye
proton....
..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........syabas proton....
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
[Attachment(s) from Nazri Ahtar included below]
note dari FB....
"
Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D Mata
selamat... Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti
boleh menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna
Orenje" *posted 11 hours ago*
ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan....kalau ler
viva... or paling mahal pun....alza....ntah camna rupa....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri
farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap
:)
with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
car....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
tapi lebih kecil.
perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
harga.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian
consumers.
Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
org tamak selalu rugi....
tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my >
wrote:
Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
To: zzxmelayucyber
Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To
Malaysians?
Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
Proton Gen 2
Malaysia?s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
attract local buyers but does it mean they?re in permanent decline?
Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
not all of it?s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th
July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the
country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
dreams now?
Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of
total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
(Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just
22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent
of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had
a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a
better future but one wonders if they?re being overly ambitious. As
recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil
stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within
two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five
years.
These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a
slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the
Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of
just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new
Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with
the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
the other problem for Proton.
Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
20-years car buyers with a ?hard ceiling? of RM65,000 had little or no
choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn?t rather
have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
than not, the buyer also came up against a ?take it or leave it? attitude
as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable
spec.
Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most
sophisticated offering yet
Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options
and you get an ?anything but Proton? attitude. It?s not that Malaysians
are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been
force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just
want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn?t in the same
predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It?s a sad
admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those
that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
Proton's Saga of the future
Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a
market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new
Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some
extra excitement for the brand but it?s also clear to see sales are on
downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we
could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in
Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the
predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with
Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
DISCLAIMER:
This e-mail and the attachment is from Telekom Malaysia Berhad (TM). It is
intended solely for the person to whom they are addressed and may be
confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you
are notified that disclosing, distributing, copying or taking any action
in reliance of the content of this information is strictly prohibited.
Please notify the sender immediately if you have received this e-mail and
delete it from your system. The recipient should check the e-mail and any
attachment for the presence of viruses that could be transmitted via
e-mail. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free
as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed,
incomplete or contain viruses. TM accepts no liability for any errors or
omissions in the contents of this message which arises as a result of
e-mail transmission. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this
e-mail that does not relate to the official business of TM shall be
understood as neither given nor endorsed by TM.
tolong... heeee
sayangi PROTON anda.... peace yaw!
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Date: 08/28/2013 02:17 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
Sent by: automobil@yahoogrou
..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin maju rupenye
proton....
..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
[Attachment(
note dari FB....
"
Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D Mata
selamat... Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti
boleh menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna
Orenje" *posted 11 hours ago*
ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan.
viva... or paling mahal pun....alza.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri
farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap
:)
with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
car....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
tapi lebih kecil.
perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
harga.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
To: "automobil@yahoogrou
Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian
consumers.
Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
org tamak selalu rugi....
tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
....yes still relevant....
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.
wrote:
Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
From: automobil@yahoogrou
Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
To: zzxmelayucyber
Subject: www.groupautomobil.
Malaysians?
Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
Proton Gen 2
Malaysia?s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
attract local buyers but does it mean they?re in permanent decline?
Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
not all of it?s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th
July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the
country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
dreams now?
Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of
total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
(Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just
22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent
of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had
a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a
better future but one wonders if they?re being overly ambitious. As
recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil
stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within
two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five
years.
These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a
slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the
Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of
just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new
Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with
the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
the other problem for Proton.
Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
20-years car buyers with a ?hard ceiling? of RM65,000 had little or no
choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn?t rather
have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
than not, the buyer also came up against a ?take it or leave it? attitude
as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable
spec.
Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company'
sophisticated offering yet
Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options
and you get an ?anything but Proton? attitude. It?s not that Malaysians
are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been
force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just
want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn?t in the same
predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It?s a sad
admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those
that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
Proton's Saga of the future
Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a
market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new
Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some
extra excitement for the brand but it?s also clear to see sales are on
downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we
could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in
Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the
predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with
Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:32 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"afie east" afieeast
Boleh tak sukri farah nyatakan kedua-dua model yang pernah di rasai..
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
From: littlenoti@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:03:44 +0800
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians? [2 Attachments]
[Attachment(s) from Nazri Ahtar included below]
note dari FB....
"Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D Mata selamat... Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti boleh menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna Orenje" *posted 11 hours ago*
ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan....kalau ler viva... or paling mahal pun....alza....ntah camna rupa....
rgds,Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih
mahal berbanding comparison sukri farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6
airbags + 5 star encap :)
with 10
years power window warranty. lol.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ
<cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To:
automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton
Still Relevant To Malaysians?
yg ada 5
star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi
mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada
5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From:
Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To:
automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To
Malaysians?
..perodua walau rege
sama dan mahal......quality is
better than proton....no
doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On
Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM,
Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com >
wrote:
perodua murah ke
? myvi 1.3..... lebih
kurang saga FL je
kot.....
tapi
lebih kecil.
perodua
yg bebetul murah is viva
je... lain macam tak
berbaloi punya harga.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
To:
"automobil@yahoogroups.com "
<automobil@yahoogroups.com >
Cc:
"bwasi@yahoo.com "
<bwasi@yahoo.com >
Sent:
Monday, August 26,
2013 2:55 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
- Fw: Is Proton
Still Relevant To
Malaysians?
Mcm artikel
tu
ckp..perodua
aim at the
lowest level /
basic level of
Msian
consumers.
Gomen pun
turut
lingkupkan
proton bila
depa introduce
Perodua..
org tamak
selalu
rugi....
tak perlu
aku letak
fakta, boleh
pikir sendiri
kot.....
From:
Sukri Farah
<farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To:
automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Monday, August
26, 2013 12:20
PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
- Fw: Is
Proton Still
Relevant To
Malaysians?
....yes
still
relevant.........kalau
harganye
relevant...
On Mon,
Aug 26, 2013
at 11:59 AM,
Ruslan Zakaria
<zruslan@tm.com.my >
wrote:
Memang
masih releven,
Cuma mohon
samakan harga
seperti harga
yg dieksport.
Negara
pengeluar
mahal daripada
Negara yg
dieksport.
From:
automobil@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf
Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
Sent:
Friday, August
23, 2013 11:55
PM
To:
zzxmelayucyber
Subject:
www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
- Fw: Is
Proton Still
Relevant To
Malaysians?
Is
Proton Still
Relevant To
Malaysians?
By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
Proton
Gen 2
Malaysia�s national carmaker is
finding it
increasingly
difficult to
attract local
buyers but
does it mean
they�re in
permanent
decline?
Many
Malaysians
have a
colourful
history with
Proton and it
has to be said
not all of
it�s bad. When
the original
Proton Saga
was launched
on 9th July
1985 the
feeling of
national pride
was palpable
throughout the
country. We
had become a
car-producing
nation and it
would be our
springboard
towards
becoming an
industrialised
nation. Where
are those
dreams now?
Proton Wira also known as the
Persona in the
UK
In
2002, Proton
sold 214,985
vehicles and
accounted for
49.43 per cent
of total
vehicle sales
in Malaysia.
In 2012,
despite
Malaysia
having a TIV
(Total
Industry
Volume) of
627,753 units
(up from
434,954 in
2002) Proton
sold just
141,121
vehicles,
which
accounted for
a market share
of just 22.5
per cent. In
contrast,
Perodua sold
189,137 cars
for over 30
per cent of
the overall
market while
Toyota
continued to
grow with
105,151 sales.
Incidentally,
the Japanese
brand managed
just 27,355
sales in 2002
with 60 per
cent of those
being
commercial
vehicle sales.
No
matter how you
look at them,
the numbers
make for some
pretty grim
reading.
Despite having
28 years of
history behind
it Proton is
still heavily
reliant on the
Malaysian car
buyer, as
export numbers
remain tiny.
In 2012 only
about 20,000
Protons were
sold outside
of Malaysia in
55 countries,
which makes
them a tiny
niche brand in
most markets.
Proton replaced its family sedan,
the Proton
Persona with
the Prev�
Proton
is aware of
its failings
and to their
credit, are
taking
considerable
steps to
reenergise the
brand. New
owners
DRB-Hicom have
had a
monumental
task to clean
out old
regimes and
systems and
plan for a
better future
but one
wonders if
they�re being
overly
ambitious. As
recently as
late June
2013, Proton
Chairman Tan
Sri Mohd
Khamil Jamil
stated that
their aim was
to reclaim
sales
leadership in
Malaysia
within two
years and sell
500,000 cars a
year globally
within the
next five
years.
These
are very
aggressive
numbers and
despite a
renewed focus
on exports,
one wonders if
Proton will
eventually
lose the
hearts and
wallets of
Malaysian
buyers.
Evidence of
this already
happening is
wide spread.
Aside
from the
continued
strength of
Perodua, the
biggest threat
to Proton
undoubtedly
comes Japanese
and Korean
brands. The
Japanese in
particular
have taken
ASEAN
production and
localisation
to heart
coming up with
a slew of
products at
ever-smaller
price tags. It
started slow
but the Nissan
Almera got
things really
rolling in
2012 with a
starting price
of just over
RM66,000. Then
Suzuki started
locally
assembling the
all-new Swift
and its price
dropped to
RM65,888 while
Honda shocked
everyone with
the RM74,800
with insurance
price tag of
the CKD Jazz.
At
a stroke cars
from Japanese
brands were
now within the
reach of
Proton buyers
and though
there was a
still a
premium to be
paid (a basic
Proton Prev�
manual starts
at less than
RM60,000)
those who
could afford
the increased
monthly
payments were
only too eager
to jump ship.
There in lies
the other
problem for
Proton.
Due
to the
favourable
taxation
structures
previously
employed, for
nearly
20-years car
buyers with a
�hard ceiling�
of RM65,000
had little or
no choice. If
you wanted a
new car for
that money
(and who
wouldn�t
rather have
new over
used?) then
you had to
visit the
Proton dealer.
More often
than not, the
buyer also
came up
against a
�take it or
leave it�
attitude as
salesmen could
always find a
buyer for cars
in odd or
unfavourable
spec.
Proton's latest family sedan, the
Prev� is
probably the
company's most
sophisticated
offering yet
Put
those buyers
into a market
situation
where they
suddenly have
options and
you get an
�anything but
Proton�
attitude. It�s
not that
Malaysians are
anti national
cars,
anti-Proton or
even
pro-Japanese
but having
been force fed
a steady diet
of Protons and
Peroduas for
decades, most
just want to
buy from a
different
brand and now
they have a
chance to do
so.
That
being the
case, some may
wonder why
Perodua isn�t
in the same
predicament
and the simple
answer is that
they are in
the very
lowest levels
of the market
where cars are
bought as
basic
transport. Its
also clear
Malaysians
have a more
favourable
opinion of
Perodua, which
is probably
due to the
Toyota/Daihatsu
spin-offs they
sell. It�s a
sad admission
to make but
the very best
Proton cars
have always
been those
that were
re-badged
efforts rather
than something
they designed
in-house.
Proton's Saga of the future
Which
brings us back
to the main
question. Is
Proton still
relevant to
Malaysians?
For the first
half of 2013,
Proton sold
64,782 cars in
a market that
grew 4.1 per
cent over the
same period on
2012. There is
a new Prev�
hatchback due
in September
this year,
which should
help create
some extra
excitement for
the brand but
it�s also
clear to see
sales are on
downward
slope. Instead
of claiming
market
leadership in
two years, we
could see
Proton
replaced by
Toyota as the
second most
popular brand
in Malaysia.
Unless
something
happens soon,
there is no
real way out
of the
predicament,
which is a
shame because
back in 1985
my heart
filled with
Malaysian
pride whenever
I saw a Proton
Saga.
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To: automobil@yahoogrou
From: littlenoti@yahoo.
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:03:44 +0800
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
[Attachment(
note dari FB....
"Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D Mata selamat... Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti boleh menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna Orenje" *posted 11 hours ago*
ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan.
rgds,Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih
mahal berbanding comparison sukri farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6
airbags + 5 star encap :)
with 10
years power window warranty. lol.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ
<cekelatgetah@
To:
automobil@yahoogrou
Sent:
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.
Still Relevant To Malaysians?
yg ada 5
star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi
mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada
5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From:
Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To:
automobil@yahoogrou
Sent:
Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.
- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To
Malaysians?
..perodua walau rege
sama dan mahal......quality is
better than proton....no
doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On
Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM,
Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
wrote:
perodua murah ke
? myvi 1.3..... lebih
kurang saga FL je
kot.....
tapi
lebih kecil.
perodua
yg bebetul murah is viva
je... lain macam tak
berbaloi punya harga.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
To:
"automobil@yahoogrou
<automobil@yahoogrou
Cc:
"bwasi@yahoo.
<bwasi@yahoo.
Sent:
Monday, August 26,
2013 2:55 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.
- Fw: Is Proton
Still Relevant To
Malaysians?
Mcm artikel
tu
ckp..perodua
aim at the
lowest level /
basic level of
Msian
consumers.
Gomen pun
turut
lingkupkan
proton bila
depa introduce
Perodua..
org tamak
selalu
rugi....
tak perlu
aku letak
fakta, boleh
pikir sendiri
kot.....
From:
Sukri Farah
<farah33sukri@
To:
automobil@yahoogrou
Sent:
Monday, August
26, 2013 12:20
PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.
- Fw: Is
Proton Still
Relevant To
Malaysians?
....yes
still
relevant....
harganye
relevant...
On Mon,
Aug 26, 2013
at 11:59 AM,
Ruslan Zakaria
<zruslan@tm.com.
wrote:
Memang
masih releven,
Cuma mohon
samakan harga
seperti harga
yg dieksport.
Negara
pengeluar
mahal daripada
Negara yg
dieksport.
From:
automobil@yahoogrou
[mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
On Behalf
Of -:eSpAcE9808:
Sent:
Friday, August
23, 2013 11:55
PM
To:
zzxmelayucyber
Subject:
www.groupautomobil.
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Proton Still
Relevant To
Malaysians?
Is
Proton Still
Relevant To
Malaysians?
By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
Proton
Gen 2
Malaysia�s national carmaker is
finding it
increasingly
difficult to
attract local
buyers but
does it mean
they�re in
permanent
decline?
Many
Malaysians
have a
colourful
history with
Proton and it
has to be said
not all of
it�s bad. When
the original
Proton Saga
was launched
on 9th July
1985 the
feeling of
national pride
was palpable
throughout the
country. We
had become a
car-producing
nation and it
would be our
springboard
towards
becoming an
industrialised
nation. Where
are those
dreams now?
Proton Wira also known as the
Persona in the
UK
In
2002, Proton
sold 214,985
vehicles and
accounted for
49.43 per cent
of total
vehicle sales
in Malaysia.
In 2012,
despite
Malaysia
having a TIV
(Total
Industry
Volume) of
627,753 units
(up from
434,954 in
2002) Proton
sold just
141,121
vehicles,
which
accounted for
a market share
of just 22.5
per cent. In
contrast,
Perodua sold
189,137 cars
for over 30
per cent of
the overall
market while
Toyota
continued to
grow with
105,151 sales.
Incidentally,
the Japanese
brand managed
just 27,355
sales in 2002
with 60 per
cent of those
being
commercial
vehicle sales.
No
matter how you
look at them,
the numbers
make for some
pretty grim
reading.
Despite having
28 years of
history behind
it Proton is
still heavily
reliant on the
Malaysian car
buyer, as
export numbers
remain tiny.
In 2012 only
about 20,000
Protons were
sold outside
of Malaysia in
55 countries,
which makes
them a tiny
niche brand in
most markets.
Proton replaced its family sedan,
the Proton
Persona with
the Prev�
Proton
is aware of
its failings
and to their
credit, are
taking
considerable
steps to
reenergise the
brand. New
owners
DRB-Hicom have
had a
monumental
task to clean
out old
regimes and
systems and
plan for a
better future
but one
wonders if
they�re being
overly
ambitious. As
recently as
late June
2013, Proton
Chairman Tan
Sri Mohd
Khamil Jamil
stated that
their aim was
to reclaim
sales
leadership in
Malaysia
within two
years and sell
500,000 cars a
year globally
within the
next five
years.
These
are very
aggressive
numbers and
despite a
renewed focus
on exports,
one wonders if
Proton will
eventually
lose the
hearts and
wallets of
Malaysian
buyers.
Evidence of
this already
happening is
wide spread.
Aside
from the
continued
strength of
Perodua, the
biggest threat
to Proton
undoubtedly
comes Japanese
and Korean
brands. The
Japanese in
particular
have taken
ASEAN
production and
localisation
to heart
coming up with
a slew of
products at
ever-smaller
price tags. It
started slow
but the Nissan
Almera got
things really
rolling in
2012 with a
starting price
of just over
RM66,000. Then
Suzuki started
locally
assembling the
all-new Swift
and its price
dropped to
RM65,888 while
Honda shocked
everyone with
the RM74,800
with insurance
price tag of
the CKD Jazz.
At
a stroke cars
from Japanese
brands were
now within the
reach of
Proton buyers
and though
there was a
still a
premium to be
paid (a basic
Proton Prev�
manual starts
at less than
RM60,000)
those who
could afford
the increased
monthly
payments were
only too eager
to jump ship.
There in lies
the other
problem for
Proton.
Due
to the
favourable
taxation
structures
previously
employed, for
nearly
20-years car
buyers with a
�hard ceiling�
of RM65,000
had little or
no choice. If
you wanted a
new car for
that money
(and who
wouldn�t
rather have
new over
used?) then
you had to
visit the
Proton dealer.
More often
than not, the
buyer also
came up
against a
�take it or
leave it�
attitude as
salesmen could
always find a
buyer for cars
in odd or
unfavourable
spec.
Proton's latest family sedan, the
Prev� is
probably the
company'
sophisticated
offering yet
Put
those buyers
into a market
situation
where they
suddenly have
options and
you get an
�anything but
Proton�
attitude. It�s
not that
Malaysians are
anti national
cars,
anti-Proton or
even
pro-Japanese
but having
been force fed
a steady diet
of Protons and
Peroduas for
decades, most
just want to
buy from a
different
brand and now
they have a
chance to do
so.
That
being the
case, some may
wonder why
Perodua isn�t
in the same
predicament
and the simple
answer is that
they are in
the very
lowest levels
of the market
where cars are
bought as
basic
transport. Its
also clear
Malaysians
have a more
favourable
opinion of
Perodua, which
is probably
due to the
Toyota/Daihatsu
spin-offs they
sell. It�s a
sad admission
to make but
the very best
Proton cars
have always
been those
that were
re-badged
efforts rather
than something
they designed
in-house.
Proton's Saga of the future
Which
brings us back
to the main
question. Is
Proton still
relevant to
Malaysians?
For the first
half of 2013,
Proton sold
64,782 cars in
a market that
grew 4.1 per
cent over the
same period on
2012. There is
a new Prev�
hatchback due
in September
this year,
which should
help create
some extra
excitement for
the brand but
it�s also
clear to see
sales are on
downward
slope. Instead
of claiming
market
leadership in
two years, we
could see
Proton
replaced by
Toyota as the
second most
popular brand
in Malaysia.
Unless
something
happens soon,
there is no
real way out
of the
predicament,
which is a
shame because
back in 1985
my heart
filled with
Malaysian
pride whenever
I saw a Proton
Saga.
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:38 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
fuzzyinn
Ala baru 2 kali ..saya dah gearbox yg ke3 dah ni .. Tapi masih sayang jugak kat proton walaupun dia vee sick sebab yg lain2 masih mantap walaupun dah berusia hampir 13 tahun ..Dan milage pun dah lebih dari suku juta km ..bila tekan rapat padle minyak masih boleh cecah 200km/h ..tu yg sayang Dan cinta sama proton ..muahahahaha
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Mohd Syaril Matsali" <syaril.matsali@my.panasonic.com >
Sender: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:25:53
To: <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
Reply-To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To
Malaysians?
Gear box PROTON perdana V6 aku dah nak masuk 2 kali jahanam ni... sapa nak
tolong... heeee
sayangi PROTON anda.... peace yaw!
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com ,
Date: 08/28/2013 02:17 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com
..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin maju rupenye
proton....
..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........syabas proton....
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
[Attachment(s) from Nazri Ahtar included below]
note dari FB....
"
Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D Mata
selamat... Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti
boleh menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna
Orenje" *posted 11 hours ago*
ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan....kalau ler
viva... or paling mahal pun....alza....ntah camna rupa....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri
farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap
:)
with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
car....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
tapi lebih kecil.
perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
harga.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian
consumers.
Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
org tamak selalu rugi....
tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my >
wrote:
Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
To: zzxmelayucyber
Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To
Malaysians?
Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
Proton Gen 2
Malaysia?s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
attract local buyers but does it mean they?re in permanent decline?
Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
not all of it?s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th
July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the
country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
dreams now?
Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of
total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
(Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just
22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent
of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prev�
Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had
a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a
better future but one wonders if they?re being overly ambitious. As
recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil
stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within
two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five
years.
These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a
slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the
Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of
just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new
Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with
the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
Prev� manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
the other problem for Proton.
Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
20-years car buyers with a ?hard ceiling? of RM65,000 had little or no
choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn?t rather
have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
than not, the buyer also came up against a ?take it or leave it? attitude
as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable
spec.
Proton's latest family sedan, the Prev� is probably the company's most
sophisticated offering yet
Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options
and you get an ?anything but Proton? attitude. It?s not that Malaysians
are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been
force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just
want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn?t in the same
predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It?s a sad
admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those
that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
Proton's Saga of the future
Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a
market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new
Prev� hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some
extra excitement for the brand but it?s also clear to see sales are on
downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we
could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in
Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the
predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with
Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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From: "Mohd Syaril Matsali" <syaril.matsali@
Sender: automobil@yahoogrou
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:25:53
To: <automobil@yahoogrou
Reply-To: automobil@yahoogrou
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Malaysians?
Gear box PROTON perdana V6 aku dah nak masuk 2 kali jahanam ni... sapa nak
tolong... heeee
sayangi PROTON anda.... peace yaw!
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Date: 08/28/2013 02:17 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
Sent by: automobil@yahoogrou
..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin maju rupenye
proton....
..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
[Attachment(
note dari FB....
"
Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D Mata
selamat... Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti
boleh menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna
Orenje" *posted 11 hours ago*
ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan.
viva... or paling mahal pun....alza.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri
farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap
:)
with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
car....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
tapi lebih kecil.
perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
harga.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
To: "automobil@yahoogrou
Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian
consumers.
Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
org tamak selalu rugi....
tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
....yes still relevant....
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.
wrote:
Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
From: automobil@yahoogrou
Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
To: zzxmelayucyber
Subject: www.groupautomobil.
Malaysians?
Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
Proton Gen 2
Malaysia?s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
attract local buyers but does it mean they?re in permanent decline?
Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
not all of it?s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th
July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the
country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
dreams now?
Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of
total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
(Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just
22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent
of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prev�
Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had
a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a
better future but one wonders if they?re being overly ambitious. As
recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil
stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within
two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five
years.
These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a
slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the
Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of
just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new
Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with
the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
Prev� manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
the other problem for Proton.
Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
20-years car buyers with a ?hard ceiling? of RM65,000 had little or no
choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn?t rather
have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
than not, the buyer also came up against a ?take it or leave it? attitude
as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable
spec.
Proton's latest family sedan, the Prev� is probably the company'
sophisticated offering yet
Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options
and you get an ?anything but Proton? attitude. It?s not that Malaysians
are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been
force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just
want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn?t in the same
predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It?s a sad
admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those
that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
Proton's Saga of the future
Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a
market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new
Prev� hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some
extra excitement for the brand but it?s also clear to see sales are on
downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we
could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in
Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the
predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with
Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"MHZ" mohamad_hadi
katanya proton 2nd value jatuh teruk.. apa lagi.. ambik preve 2nd dah
la.. value for money.. jadilah pengguna yg bijak.
On 28/08/2013 2:38 PM, fuzzyinn@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Ala baru 2 kali ..saya dah gearbox yg ke3 dah ni .. Tapi masih sayang
> jugak kat proton walaupun dia vee sick sebab yg lain2 masih mantap
> walaupun dah berusia hampir 13 tahun ..Dan milage pun dah lebih dari
> suku juta km ..bila tekan rapat padle minyak masih boleh cecah 200km/h
> ..tu yg sayang Dan cinta sama proton ..muahahahaha
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry� wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From: * "Mohd Syaril Matsali" <syaril.matsali@my.panasonic.com >
> *Sender: * automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Date: *Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:25:53 +0000
> *To: *<automobil@yahoogroups.com >
> *ReplyTo: * automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Gear box PROTON perdana V6 aku dah nak masuk 2 kali jahanam ni... sapa
> nak tolong... heeee
> sayangi PROTON anda.... peace yaw!
>
>
>
> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com ,
> Date: 08/28/2013 02:17 PM
> Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
> Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> ..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin maju
> rupenye proton....
> ..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........syabas proton....
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <_littlenoti@yahoo.com _
> <mailto:littlenoti@yahoo.com >> wrote:
>
> [Attachment(s) <#140c3860742dcd8e_TopText>from Nazri Ahtar included below]
>
> note dari FB....
>
> "
> Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D
> Mata
> <http://www.facebook.com/czo.dmata?directed_target_id=323368984415479 > selamat...
> Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti boleh
> menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna
> Orenje
> <http://www.facebook.com/vanwarna.orenje?directed_target_id=323368984415479 >"
> *posted 11 hours ago*
>
> ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan....kalau ler
> viva... or paling mahal pun....alza....ntah camna rupa....
>
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* MHZ <_cekelatgetah@gmail.com _ <mailto:cekelatgetah@gmail.com >>*
> To:* _automobil@yahoogroups.com _ <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >*
> Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com_
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ >- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison
> sukri farah.. yes...yes..
> On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
> ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star
> encap :)
> with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* MHZ _<cekelatgetah@gmail.com >_ <mailto:cekelatgetah@gmail.com >*
> To:* _automobil@yahoogroups.com _ <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >*
> Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com_
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ >- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah _<farah33sukri@gmail.com >_
> <mailto:farah33sukri@gmail.com >*
> To:* _automobil@yahoogroups.com _ <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >*
> Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com_
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ >- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <_littlenoti@yahoo.com _
> <mailto:littlenoti@yahoo.com >> wrote:
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
> harga.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* bashah <_bwasi@yahoo.com _ <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >>*
> To:* "_automobil@yahoogroups.com _ <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >"
> <_automobil@yahoogroups.com _ <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >> *
> Cc:* "_bwasi@yahoo.com _ <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >" <_bwasi@yahoo.com _
> <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >> *
> Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com_
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ >- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
> Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <_farah33sukri@gmail.com _
> <mailto:farah33sukri@gmail.com >>*
> To:* _automobil@yahoogroups.com _ <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >*
> Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com_
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ >- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <_zruslan@tm.com.my _
> <mailto:zruslan@tm.com.my >> wrote:
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
> dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
> *From:* _automobil@yahoogroups.com _
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:_automobil@yahoogroups.com _
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >] *On Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:-*
> Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM*
> To:* zzxmelayucyber*
> Subject:* _www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com_
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ >- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> *_Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?_*
> /By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia///
>
> <http://my.news.yahoo.com/photos/proton-still-relevant-malaysians-photo-084644368.html >
>
> Proton Gen 2
> /Malaysia�s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
> attract local buyers but does it mean they�re in permanent decline?/
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be
> said not all of it�s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched
> on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout
> the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
> springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
> dreams now?
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/w7LU3Qv_UvP5pH_d395hAg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/278866_201107_06_pro-20130813-085018-231.jpg >
>
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a
> TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002)
> Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share
> of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over
> 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with
> 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355
> sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain
> tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia
> in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
> <http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/CYFB8KFIzXmJojtYvSyP4g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/430622_63746pro-DSC_2977rt-20130813-085019-363.jpg >
>
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prev�
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have
> had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan
> for a better future but one wonders if they�re being overly ambitious.
> As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil
> Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in
> Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within
> the next five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on
> exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and
> wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is
> wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to
> Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in
> particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart
> coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It
> started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012
> with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started
> locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888
> while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price
> tag of the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of
> Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a
> basic Proton Prev� manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who
> could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to
> jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for
> nearly 20-years car buyers with a �hard ceiling� of RM65,000 had
> little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who
> wouldn�t rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton
> dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a �take it
> or leave it� attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars
> in odd or unfavourable spec.
> <http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/K2uC0bbbtPdOAkh3OGfOgw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/Screen-Shot-2013-08-06-at-3.02.35-PM-20130813-085017-736.jpg >
>
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prev� is probably the company's most
> sophisticated offering yet
>
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
> options and you get an �anything but Proton� attitude. It�s not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese
> but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for
> decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they
> have a chance to do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn�t in the same
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its
> also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which
> is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It�s a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those
> that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lCIdKLhDysYvoDqNYHsanQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/398349_62233-c-pro-20130813-085018-736.jpg >
>
> Proton's Saga of the future
>
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a
> market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a
> new Prev� hatchback due in September this year, which should help
> create some extra excitement for the brand but it�s also clear to see
> sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in
> two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most
> popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no
> real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985
> my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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la.. value for money.. jadilah pengguna yg bijak.
On 28/08/2013 2:38 PM, fuzzyinn@yahoo.
>
> Ala baru 2 kali ..saya dah gearbox yg ke3 dah ni .. Tapi masih sayang
> jugak kat proton walaupun dia vee sick sebab yg lain2 masih mantap
> walaupun dah berusia hampir 13 tahun ..Dan milage pun dah lebih dari
> suku juta km ..bila tekan rapat padle minyak masih boleh cecah 200km/h
> ..tu yg sayang Dan cinta sama proton ..muahahahaha
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry� wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> ------------
> *From: * "Mohd Syaril Matsali" <syaril.matsali@
> *Sender: * automobil@yahoogrou
> *Date: *Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:25:53 +0000
> *To: *<automobil@yahoogrou
> *ReplyTo: * automobil@yahoogrou
> *Subject: *Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Gear box PROTON perdana V6 aku dah nak masuk 2 kali jahanam ni... sapa
> nak tolong... heeee
> sayangi PROTON anda.... peace yaw!
>
>
>
> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> To: automobil@yahoogrou
> Date: 08/28/2013 02:17 PM
> Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
> Sent by: automobil@yahoogrou
>
> ------------
>
>
>
> ..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin maju
> rupenye proton....
> ..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <_littlenoti@
> <mailto:littlenoti@yahoo.
>
> [Attachment(
>
> note dari FB....
>
> "
> Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D
> Mata
> <http://www.facebook
> Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti boleh
> menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna
> Orenje
> <http://www.facebook
> *posted 11 hours ago*
>
> ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan.
> viva... or paling mahal pun....alza.
>
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* MHZ <_cekelatgetah@
> To:* _automobil@yahoogro
> Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison
> sukri farah.. yes...yes..
> On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
> ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star
> encap :)
> with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* MHZ _<cekelatgetah@
> To:* _automobil@yahoogro
> Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah _<farah33sukri@
> <mailto:farah33sukri@
> To:* _automobil@yahoogro
> Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <_littlenoti@
> <mailto:littlenoti@yahoo.
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
> harga.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* bashah <_bwasi@yahoo.
> To:* "_automobil@yahoogro
> <_automobil@yahoogro
> Cc:* "_bwasi@yahoo.
> <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.
> Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
> Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <_farah33sukri@
> <mailto:farah33sukri@
> To:* _automobil@yahoogro
> Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ....yes still relevant....
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <_zruslan@tm.
> <mailto:zruslan@tm.com.
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
> dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
> *From:* _automobil@yahoogro
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
> Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM*
> To:* zzxmelayucyber*
> Subject:* _www.groupautomobil
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> *_Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?_
> /By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia///
>
> <http://my.news.
>
> Proton Gen 2
> /Malaysia�s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
> attract local buyers but does it mean they�re in permanent decline?/
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be
> said not all of it�s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched
> on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout
> the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
> springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
> dreams now?
> <http://l1.yimg.
>
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a
> TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002)
> Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share
> of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over
> 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with
> 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355
> sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain
> tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia
> in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
> <http://l.yimg.
>
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prev�
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have
> had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan
> for a better future but one wonders if they�re being overly ambitious.
> As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil
> Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in
> Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within
> the next five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on
> exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and
> wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is
> wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to
> Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in
> particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart
> coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It
> started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012
> with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started
> locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888
> while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price
> tag of the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of
> Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a
> basic Proton Prev� manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who
> could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to
> jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for
> nearly 20-years car buyers with a �hard ceiling� of RM65,000 had
> little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who
> wouldn�t rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton
> dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a �take it
> or leave it� attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars
> in odd or unfavourable spec.
> <http://l3.yimg.
>
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prev� is probably the company'
> sophisticated offering yet
>
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
> options and you get an �anything but Proton� attitude. It�s not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese
> but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for
> decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they
> have a chance to do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn�t in the same
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its
> also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which
> is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It�s a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those
> that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
> <http://l1.yimg.
>
> Proton's Saga of the future
>
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a
> market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a
> new Prev� hatchback due in September this year, which should help
> create some extra excitement for the brand but it�s also clear to see
> sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in
> two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most
> popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no
> real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985
> my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Mohd Syaril Matsali" nesta41
ya..ya..betul...betul...betul... performance enjin masih mantap, gearbox
je kurang cemerlang.... saya pun cayang PROTONG saya.... kuiikuiiii
From: fuzzyinn@yahoo.com
To: "Automobil" <automobil@yahoogroups.com >,
Date: 08/28/2013 02:38 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Ala baru 2 kali ..saya dah gearbox yg ke3 dah ni .. Tapi masih sayang
jugak kat proton walaupun dia vee sick sebab yg lain2 masih mantap
walaupun dah berusia hampir 13 tahun ..Dan milage pun dah lebih dari suku
juta km ..bila tekan rapat padle minyak masih boleh cecah 200km/h ..tu yg
sayang Dan cinta sama proton ..muahahahaha
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
From: "Mohd Syaril Matsali" <syaril.matsali@my.panasonic.com >
Sender: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:25:53 +0000
To: <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
ReplyTo: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
Gear box PROTON perdana V6 aku dah nak masuk 2 kali jahanam ni... sapa nak
tolong... heeee
sayangi PROTON anda.... peace yaw!
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com ,
Date: 08/28/2013 02:17 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com
..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin maju rupenye
proton....
..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........syabas proton....
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
[Attachment(s) from Nazri Ahtar included below]
note dari FB....
"
Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D Mata
selamat... Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti
boleh menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna
Orenje" *posted 11 hours ago*
ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan....kalau ler
viva... or paling mahal pun....alza....ntah camna rupa....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri
farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap
:)
with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
car....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
tapi lebih kecil.
perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
harga.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian
consumers.
Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
org tamak selalu rugi....
tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To Malaysians?
....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my >
wrote:
Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
To: zzxmelayucyber
Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To
Malaysians?
Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
Proton Gen 2
Malaysia?s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
attract local buyers but does it mean they?re in permanent decline?
Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
not all of it?s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th
July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the
country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
dreams now?
Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of
total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
(Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just
22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent
of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had
a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a
better future but one wonders if they?re being overly ambitious. As
recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil
stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within
two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five
years.
These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a
slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the
Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of
just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new
Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with
the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
the other problem for Proton.
Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
20-years car buyers with a ?hard ceiling? of RM65,000 had little or no
choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn?t rather
have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
than not, the buyer also came up against a ?take it or leave it? attitude
as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable
spec.
Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most
sophisticated offering yet
Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options
and you get an ?anything but Proton? attitude. It?s not that Malaysians
are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been
force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just
want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn?t in the same
predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It?s a sad
admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those
that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
Proton's Saga of the future
Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a
market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new
Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some
extra excitement for the brand but it?s also clear to see sales are on
downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we
could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in
Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the
predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with
Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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je kurang cemerlang...
From: fuzzyinn@yahoo.
To: "Automobil&quo
Date: 08/28/2013 02:38 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
Sent by: automobil@yahoogrou
Ala baru 2 kali ..saya dah gearbox yg ke3 dah ni .. Tapi masih sayang
jugak kat proton walaupun dia vee sick sebab yg lain2 masih mantap
walaupun dah berusia hampir 13 tahun ..Dan milage pun dah lebih dari suku
juta km ..bila tekan rapat padle minyak masih boleh cecah 200km/h ..tu yg
sayang Dan cinta sama proton ..muahahahaha
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
From: "Mohd Syaril Matsali" <syaril.matsali@
Sender: automobil@yahoogrou
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:25:53 +0000
To: <automobil@yahoogrou
ReplyTo: automobil@yahoogrou
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
Gear box PROTON perdana V6 aku dah nak masuk 2 kali jahanam ni... sapa nak
tolong... heeee
sayangi PROTON anda.... peace yaw!
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Date: 08/28/2013 02:17 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
Sent by: automobil@yahoogrou
..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin maju rupenye
proton....
..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
[Attachment(
note dari FB....
"
Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D Mata
selamat... Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti
boleh menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna
Orenje" *posted 11 hours ago*
ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan.
viva... or paling mahal pun....alza.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri
farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap
:)
with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
car....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
tapi lebih kecil.
perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
harga.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
To: "automobil@yahoogrou
Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian
consumers.
Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
org tamak selalu rugi....
tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Relevant To Malaysians?
....yes still relevant....
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.
wrote:
Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
From: automobil@yahoogrou
Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
To: zzxmelayucyber
Subject: www.groupautomobil.
Malaysians?
Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
Proton Gen 2
Malaysia?s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
attract local buyers but does it mean they?re in permanent decline?
Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
not all of it?s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th
July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the
country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
dreams now?
Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of
total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
(Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just
22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent
of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had
a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a
better future but one wonders if they?re being overly ambitious. As
recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil
stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within
two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five
years.
These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a
slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the
Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of
just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new
Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with
the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
the other problem for Proton.
Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
20-years car buyers with a ?hard ceiling? of RM65,000 had little or no
choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn?t rather
have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
than not, the buyer also came up against a ?take it or leave it? attitude
as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable
spec.
Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company'
sophisticated offering yet
Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options
and you get an ?anything but Proton? attitude. It?s not that Malaysians
are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been
force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just
want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn?t in the same
predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It?s a sad
admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those
that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
Proton's Saga of the future
Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a
market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new
Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some
extra excitement for the brand but it?s also clear to see sales are on
downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we
could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in
Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the
predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with
Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Nazri Ahtar" littlenoti
V6 sakitnya gearbox je kan ? tukar manual je la.....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: "fuzzyinn@yahoo.com " <fuzzyinn@yahoo.com >
To: Automobil <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
Ala baru 2 kali ..saya dah gearbox yg ke3 dah ni .. Tapi masih sayang jugak kat proton walaupun dia vee sick sebab yg lain2 masih mantap walaupun dah berusia hampir 13 tahun ..Dan milage pun dah lebih dari suku juta km ..bila tekan rapat padle minyak masih boleh cecah 200km/h ..tu yg sayang Dan cinta sama proton ..muahahahaha
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Sender: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:25:53 +0000
To: <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
ReplyTo: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
Gear box PROTON perdana V6 aku dah nak
masuk 2 kali jahanam ni... sapa nak tolong... heeee
sayangi PROTON anda.... peace
yaw!
From:
Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To:
automobil@yahoogroups.com ,
Date:
08/28/2013 02:17 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
Sent by:
automobil@yahoogroups.com
________________________________
..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin
maju rupenye proton....
..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........syabas proton....
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com >
wrote:
[Attachment(s)from Nazri Ahtar included below]
note dari FB....
"
Kejadian ngeri semalam di
Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo
D Mata selamat...
Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti boleh menyelamatkan
nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna
Orenje" *posted
11 hours ago*
ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2.
aku tengah membayangkan....kalau ler viva... or paling mahal pun....alza....ntah
camna rupa....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still
lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar
wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand
lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap :)
with 10 years power window warranty.
lol.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag
tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg
ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality
is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri
Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com >
wrote:
perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih
kurang saga FL je kot.....
tapi lebih kecil.
perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je...
lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com "
<automobil@yahoogroups.com >
Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com "
<bwasi@yahoo.com >
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest
level / basic level of Msian consumers.
Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa
introduce Perodua..
org tamak selalu rugi....
tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri
kot.....
________________________________
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye
relevant...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan
Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my >
wrote:
Memang masih releven, Cuma
mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
Negara pengeluar mahal daripada
Negara yg dieksport.
From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
To: zzxmelayucyber
Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
Is Proton Still Relevant
To Malaysians?
By
Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
Proton Gen 2
Malaysia's national carmaker
is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it
mean they're in permanent decline?
Many Malaysians have a colourful
history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it's bad. When the
original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national
pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing
nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised
nation. Where are those dreams now?
Proton Wira also known as the
Persona in the UK
In 2002, Proton sold 214,985
vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia.
In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753
units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which
accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua
sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota
continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand
managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial
vehicle sales.
No matter how you look at them,
the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years
of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car
buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons
were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny
niche brand in most markets.
Proton replaced its family sedan,
the Proton Persona with the Prevé
Proton is aware of its failings
and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand.
New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes
and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they're being
overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri
Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership
in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within
the next five years.
These are very aggressive numbers
and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually
lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already
happening is wide spread.
Aside from the continued strength
of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and
Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and
localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller
price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling
in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started
locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888
while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag
of the CKD Jazz.
At a stroke cars from Japanese
brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was
a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less
than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were
only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
Due to the favourable taxation
structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard
ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car
for that money (and who wouldn't rather have new over used?) then you
had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came
up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude as salesmen could always
find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
Proton's latest family sedan,
the Prevé is probably the company's most sophisticated offering yet
Put those buyers into a market
situation where they suddenly have options and you get an 'anything but
Proton' attitude. It's not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton
or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons
and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand
and now they have a chance to do so.
That being the case, some may
wonder why Perodua isn't in the same predicament and the simple answer
is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are
bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable
opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs
they sell. It's a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars
have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something
they designed in-house.
Proton's Saga of the future
Which brings us back to the
main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half
of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over
the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September
this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand
but it's also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming
market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota
as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens
soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because
back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton
Saga.
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rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
____________
From: "fuzzyinn@yahoo.
To: Automobil <automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Ala baru 2 kali ..saya dah gearbox yg ke3 dah ni .. Tapi masih sayang jugak kat proton walaupun dia vee sick sebab yg lain2 masih mantap walaupun dah berusia hampir 13 tahun ..Dan milage pun dah lebih dari suku juta km ..bila tekan rapat padle minyak masih boleh cecah 200km/h ..tu yg sayang Dan cinta sama proton ..muahahahaha
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____________
From: "Mohd Syaril Matsali" <syaril.matsali@
Sender: automobil@yahoogrou
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:25:53 +0000
To: <automobil@yahoogrou
ReplyTo: automobil@yahoogrou
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Gear box PROTON perdana V6 aku dah nak
masuk 2 kali jahanam ni... sapa nak tolong... heeee
sayangi PROTON anda.... peace
yaw!
From:
Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To:
automobil@yahoogrou
Date:
08/28/2013 02:17 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.
Sent by:
automobil@yahoogrou
____________
..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin
maju rupenye proton....
..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
wrote:
[Attachment(
note dari FB....
"
Kejadian ngeri semalam di
Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo
D Mata selamat.
Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti boleh menyelamatkan
nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna
Orenje" *posted
11 hours ago*
ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2.
aku tengah membayangkan.
camna rupa...
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
____________
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still
lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri farah.. yes...yes..
On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar
wrote:
ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand
lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap :)
with 10 years power window warranty.
lol.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
____________
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag
tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg
ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
____________
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality
is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri
Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
wrote:
perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih
kurang saga FL je kot.....
tapi lebih kecil.
perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je...
lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
____________
From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
To: "automobil@yahoogrou
<automobil@yahoogrou
Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.
<bwasi@yahoo.
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest
level / basic level of Msian consumers.
Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa
introduce Perodua..
org tamak selalu rugi....
tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri
kot.....
____________
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
....yes still relevant....
relevant...
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan
Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.
wrote:
Memang masih releven, Cuma
mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
Negara pengeluar mahal daripada
Negara yg dieksport.
From: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
To: zzxmelayucyber
Subject: www.groupautomobil.
Is Proton Still Relevant
To Malaysians?
By
Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
Proton Gen 2
Malaysia's national carmaker
is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it
mean they're in permanent decline?
Many Malaysians have a colourful
history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it's bad. When the
original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national
pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing
nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised
nation. Where are those dreams now?
Proton Wira also known as the
Persona in the UK
In 2002, Proton sold 214,985
vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia.
In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753
units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which
accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua
sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota
continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand
managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial
vehicle sales.
No matter how you look at them,
the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years
of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car
buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons
were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny
niche brand in most markets.
Proton replaced its family sedan,
the Proton Persona with the Prevé
Proton is aware of its failings
and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand.
New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes
and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they're being
overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri
Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership
in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within
the next five years.
These are very aggressive numbers
and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually
lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already
happening is wide spread.
Aside from the continued strength
of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and
Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and
localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller
price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling
in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started
locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888
while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag
of the CKD Jazz.
At a stroke cars from Japanese
brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was
a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less
than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were
only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
Due to the favourable taxation
structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard
ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car
for that money (and who wouldn't rather have new over used?) then you
had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came
up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude as salesmen could always
find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
Proton's latest family sedan,
the Prevé is probably the company'
Put those buyers into a market
situation where they suddenly have options and you get an 'anything but
Proton' attitude. It's not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton
or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons
and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand
and now they have a chance to do so.
That being the case, some may
wonder why Perodua isn't in the same predicament and the simple answer
is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are
bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable
opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs
they sell. It's a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars
have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something
they designed in-house.
Proton's Saga of the future
Which brings us back to the
main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half
of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over
the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September
this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand
but it's also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming
market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota
as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens
soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because
back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton
Saga.
DISCLAIMER:
This e-mail and the attachment is from Telekom Malaysia Berhad (TM). It
is intended solely for the person to whom they are addressed and may be
confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you
are notified that disclosing, distributing, copying or taking any action
in reliance of the content of this information is strictly prohibited.
Please notify the sender immediately if you have received this e-mail and
delete it from your system. The recipient should check the e-mail and any
attachment for the presence of viruses that could be transmitted via e-mail.
Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information
could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, incomplete or contain
viruses. TM accepts no liability for any errors or omissions in the contents
of this message which arises as a result of e-mail transmission. Opinions,
conclusions and other information in this e-mail that does not relate to
the official business of TM shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed
by TM.
Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:57 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Nazri Ahtar" littlenoti
ha, betul juga tu..... value for money... kan ?
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
katanya proton 2nd value jatuh teruk.. apa lagi.. ambik preve 2nd dah la.. value for money.. jadilah pengguna yg bijak.
On 28/08/2013 2:38 PM, fuzzyinn@yahoo.com wrote:
>Ala baru 2 kali ..saya dah gearbox yg ke3 dah ni .. Tapi masih sayang jugak kat proton walaupun dia vee sick sebab yg lain2 masih mantap walaupun dah berusia hampir 13 tahun ..Dan milage pun dah lebih dari suku juta km ..bila tekan rapat padle minyak masih boleh cecah 200km/h ..tu yg sayang Dan cinta sama proton ..muahahahaha
>Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>________________________________
>
>From: "Mohd Syaril Matsali" <syaril.matsali@my.panasonic.com >
>Sender: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:25:53 +0000
>To: <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>ReplyTo: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
>Gear box PROTON perdana V6 aku dah nak masuk 2 kali jahanam ni... sapa nak tolong... heeee
>sayangi PROTON anda.... peace yaw!
>
>
>
>From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com ,
>Date: 08/28/2013 02:17 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>
>________________________________
>
>
>
>
>..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin maju rupenye proton....
>..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........syabas proton....
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>[Attachment(s)from Nazri Ahtar included below]
>note dari FB....
>
>"
>Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D Mata selamat... Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti boleh menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna Orenje" *posted 11 hours ago*
>
>ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan....kalau ler viva... or paling mahal pun....alza....ntah camna rupa....
>
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>
>________________________________
>From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri farah.. yes...yes..
>On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap :)
>with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>>________________________________
>From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>>________________________________
>From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>tapi lebih kecil.
>
>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>>________________________________
>From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian consumers.
>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>org tamak selalu rugi....
>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
>>________________________________
>From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
>....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my > wrote:
>
>Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
>Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
>From: automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>To: zzxmelayucyber
>Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
>Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
>
>
>Proton Gen 2
>Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?
>Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>
>Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
>In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>
>Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
>Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>
>Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most sophisticated offering yet
>
>Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>
>Proton's Saga of the future
>
>Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
katanya proton 2nd value jatuh teruk.. apa lagi.. ambik preve 2nd dah la.. value for money.. jadilah pengguna yg bijak.
On 28/08/2013 2:38 PM, fuzzyinn@yahoo.
>Ala baru 2 kali ..saya dah gearbox yg ke3 dah ni .. Tapi masih sayang jugak kat proton walaupun dia vee sick sebab yg lain2 masih mantap walaupun dah berusia hampir 13 tahun ..Dan milage pun dah lebih dari suku juta km ..bila tekan rapat padle minyak masih boleh cecah 200km/h ..tu yg sayang Dan cinta sama proton ..muahahahaha
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>From: "Mohd Syaril Matsali" <syaril.matsali@
>Sender: automobil@yahoogrou
>Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:25:53 +0000
>To: <automobil@yahoogrou
>ReplyTo: automobil@yahoogrou
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
>
>
>Gear box PROTON perdana V6 aku dah nak masuk 2 kali jahanam ni... sapa nak tolong... heeee
>sayangi PROTON anda.... peace yaw!
>
>
>
>From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>To: automobil@yahoogrou
>Date: 08/28/2013 02:17 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
>Sent by: automobil@yahoogrou
>
>________
>
>
>
>
>..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin maju rupenye proton....
>..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
>
>[Attachment(
>note dari FB....
>
>"
>Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D Mata selamat.
>
>ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan.
>
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>
>________
>From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
>To: automobil@yahoogrou
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
>
>nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison sukri farah.. yes...yes..
>On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star encap :)
>with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>>____
>From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
>To: automobil@yahoogrou
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
>
>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>>____
>From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>To: automobil@yahoogrou
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
>
>
>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>tapi lebih kecil.
>
>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
>
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>>____
>From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
>To: "automobil@yahoogrou
>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
>
>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian consumers.
>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>org tamak selalu rugi....
>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
>>____
>From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>To: automobil@yahoogrou
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
>
>
>....yes still relevant....
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.
>
>Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
>Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
>From: automobil@yahoogrou
>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>To: zzxmelayucyber
>Subject: www.groupautomobil.
>
>
>Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
>
>
>Proton Gen 2
>Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?
>Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>
>Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
>In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>
>Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
>Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>
>Proton&#
>
>Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>
>Proton&#
>
>Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:01 am (PDT) . Posted by:
fuzzyinn
Tunggu PRU lagi sekali lagi la kut2 harga turun 30% baru boleh beli lain .. Kalau Tak pakai jer lah yg bebas hutang selagi boleh gerak .hahahahahaha.
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-----Original Message-----
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
Sender: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:49:59
To: <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
Reply-To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant
To Malaysians?
katanya proton 2nd value jatuh teruk.. apa lagi.. ambik preve 2nd dah
la.. value for money.. jadilah pengguna yg bijak.
On 28/08/2013 2:38 PM, fuzzyinn@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Ala baru 2 kali ..saya dah gearbox yg ke3 dah ni .. Tapi masih sayang
> jugak kat proton walaupun dia vee sick sebab yg lain2 masih mantap
> walaupun dah berusia hampir 13 tahun ..Dan milage pun dah lebih dari
> suku juta km ..bila tekan rapat padle minyak masih boleh cecah 200km/h
> ..tu yg sayang Dan cinta sama proton ..muahahahaha
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From: * "Mohd Syaril Matsali" <syaril.matsali@my.panasonic.com >
> *Sender: * automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Date: *Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:25:53 +0000
> *To: *<automobil@yahoogroups.com >
> *ReplyTo: * automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Gear box PROTON perdana V6 aku dah nak masuk 2 kali jahanam ni... sapa
> nak tolong... heeee
> sayangi PROTON anda.... peace yaw!
>
>
>
> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com ,
> Date: 08/28/2013 02:17 PM
> Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
> Sent by: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> ..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin maju
> rupenye proton....
> ..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........syabas proton....
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <_littlenoti@yahoo.com _
> <mailto:littlenoti@yahoo.com >> wrote:
>
> [Attachment(s) <#140c3860742dcd8e_TopText>from Nazri Ahtar included below]
>
> note dari FB....
>
> "
> Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D
> Mata
> <http://www.facebook.com/czo.dmata?directed_target_id=323368984415479 > selamat...
> Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti boleh
> menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna
> Orenje
> <http://www.facebook.com/vanwarna.orenje?directed_target_id=323368984415479 >"
> *posted 11 hours ago*
>
> ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan....kalau ler
> viva... or paling mahal pun....alza....ntah camna rupa....
>
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* MHZ <_cekelatgetah@gmail.com _ <mailto:cekelatgetah@gmail.com >>*
> To:* _automobil@yahoogroups.com _ <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >*
> Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com_
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ >- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison
> sukri farah.. yes...yes..
> On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
> ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star
> encap :)
> with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* MHZ _<cekelatgetah@gmail.com >_ <mailto:cekelatgetah@gmail.com >*
> To:* _automobil@yahoogroups.com _ <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >*
> Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com_
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ >- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah _<farah33sukri@gmail.com >_
> <mailto:farah33sukri@gmail.com >*
> To:* _automobil@yahoogroups.com _ <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >*
> Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com_
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ >- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <_littlenoti@yahoo.com _
> <mailto:littlenoti@yahoo.com >> wrote:
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
> harga.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* bashah <_bwasi@yahoo.com _ <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >>*
> To:* "_automobil@yahoogroups.com _ <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >"
> <_automobil@yahoogroups.com _ <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >> *
> Cc:* "_bwasi@yahoo.com _ <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >" <_bwasi@yahoo.com _
> <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >> *
> Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com_
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ >- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
> Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <_farah33sukri@gmail.com _
> <mailto:farah33sukri@gmail.com >>*
> To:* _automobil@yahoogroups.com _ <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >*
> Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com_
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ >- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <_zruslan@tm.com.my _
> <mailto:zruslan@tm.com.my >> wrote:
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
> dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
> *From:* _automobil@yahoogroups.com _
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:_automobil@yahoogroups.com _
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >] *On Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:-*
> Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM*
> To:* zzxmelayucyber*
> Subject:* _www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com_
> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ >- Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> *_Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?_*
> /By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia///
>
> <http://my.news.yahoo.com/photos/proton-still-relevant-malaysians-photo-084644368.html >
>
> Proton Gen 2
> /Malaysia�s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
> attract local buyers but does it mean they�re in permanent decline?/
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be
> said not all of it�s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched
> on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout
> the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
> springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
> dreams now?
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/w7LU3Qv_UvP5pH_d395hAg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/278866_201107_06_pro-20130813-085018-231.jpg >
>
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a
> TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002)
> Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share
> of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over
> 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with
> 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355
> sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain
> tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia
> in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
> <http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/CYFB8KFIzXmJojtYvSyP4g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/430622_63746pro-DSC_2977rt-20130813-085019-363.jpg >
>
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prev�
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have
> had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan
> for a better future but one wonders if they�re being overly ambitious.
> As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil
> Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in
> Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within
> the next five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on
> exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and
> wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is
> wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to
> Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in
> particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart
> coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It
> started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012
> with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started
> locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888
> while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price
> tag of the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of
> Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a
> basic Proton Prev� manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who
> could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to
> jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for
> nearly 20-years car buyers with a �hard ceiling� of RM65,000 had
> little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who
> wouldn�t rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton
> dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a �take it
> or leave it� attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars
> in odd or unfavourable spec.
> <http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/K2uC0bbbtPdOAkh3OGfOgw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/Screen-Shot-2013-08-06-at-3.02.35-PM-20130813-085017-736.jpg >
>
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prev� is probably the company's most
> sophisticated offering yet
>
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
> options and you get an �anything but Proton� attitude. It�s not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese
> but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for
> decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they
> have a chance to do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn�t in the same
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its
> also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which
> is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It�s a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those
> that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lCIdKLhDysYvoDqNYHsanQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/398349_62233-c-pro-20130813-085018-736.jpg >
>
> Proton's Saga of the future
>
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a
> market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a
> new Prev� hatchback due in September this year, which should help
> create some extra excitement for the brand but it�s also clear to see
> sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in
> two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most
> popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no
> real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985
> my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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-----Original Message-----
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
Sender: automobil@yahoogrou
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:49:59
To: <automobil@yahoogrou
Reply-To: automobil@yahoogrou
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
To Malaysians?
katanya proton 2nd value jatuh teruk.. apa lagi.. ambik preve 2nd dah
la.. value for money.. jadilah pengguna yg bijak.
On 28/08/2013 2:38 PM, fuzzyinn@yahoo.
>
> Ala baru 2 kali ..saya dah gearbox yg ke3 dah ni .. Tapi masih sayang
> jugak kat proton walaupun dia vee sick sebab yg lain2 masih mantap
> walaupun dah berusia hampir 13 tahun ..Dan milage pun dah lebih dari
> suku juta km ..bila tekan rapat padle minyak masih boleh cecah 200km/h
> ..tu yg sayang Dan cinta sama proton ..muahahahaha
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry� wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
> ------------
> *From: * "Mohd Syaril Matsali" <syaril.matsali@
> *Sender: * automobil@yahoogrou
> *Date: *Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:25:53 +0000
> *To: *<automobil@yahoogrou
> *ReplyTo: * automobil@yahoogrou
> *Subject: *Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Gear box PROTON perdana V6 aku dah nak masuk 2 kali jahanam ni... sapa
> nak tolong... heeee
> sayangi PROTON anda.... peace yaw!
>
>
>
> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> To: automobil@yahoogrou
> Date: 08/28/2013 02:17 PM
> Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
> Sent by: automobil@yahoogrou
>
> ------------
>
>
>
> ..ini yg sy terase nak beli kete proton .........dah makin maju
> rupenye proton....
> ..ingatkan tin milo kosong je..........
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Nazri Ahtar <_littlenoti@
> <mailto:littlenoti@yahoo.
>
> [Attachment(
>
> note dari FB....
>
> "
> Kejadian ngeri semalam di Senawang Syukur alhamdulillah tuannyeCzo D
> Mata
> <http://www.facebook
> Luka sikit2 je kat tangan. Alhamdulillah body preve terbukti boleh
> menyelamatkan nyawa. Sayangilah preve anda bak kata abg VanWarna
> Orenje
> <http://www.facebook
> *posted 11 hours ago*
>
> ini 5 star encap ye tuan2/puan2. aku tengah membayangkan.
> viva... or paling mahal pun....alza.
>
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* MHZ <_cekelatgetah@
> To:* _automobil@yahoogro
> Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:08 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> nak menang jugak tu hehe.. still lebih mahal berbanding comparison
> sukri farah.. yes...yes..
> On 28/08/2013 12:46 PM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
> ok, compare harga dengan kereta brand lain yg ada 6 airbags + 5 star
> encap :)
> with 10 years power window warranty. lol.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* MHZ _<cekelatgetah@
> To:* _automobil@yahoogro
> Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:13 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah _<farah33sukri@
> <mailto:farah33sukri@
> To:* _automobil@yahoogro
> Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <_littlenoti@
> <mailto:littlenoti@yahoo.
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
> harga.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* bashah <_bwasi@yahoo.
> To:* "_automobil@yahoogro
> <_automobil@yahoogro
> Cc:* "_bwasi@yahoo.
> <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.
> Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
> Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <_farah33sukri@
> <mailto:farah33sukri@
> To:* _automobil@yahoogro
> Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM*
> Subject:* Re: _www.groupautomobil
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ....yes still relevant....
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <_zruslan@tm.
> <mailto:zruslan@tm.com.
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
> dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
> *From:* _automobil@yahoogro
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
> Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM*
> To:* zzxmelayucyber*
> Subject:* _www.groupautomobil
> <http://www.groupaut
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> *_Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?_
> /By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia///
>
> <http://my.news.
>
> Proton Gen 2
> /Malaysia�s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
> attract local buyers but does it mean they�re in permanent decline?/
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be
> said not all of it�s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched
> on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout
> the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
> springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
> dreams now?
> <http://l1.yimg.
>
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a
> TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002)
> Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share
> of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over
> 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with
> 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355
> sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain
> tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia
> in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
> <http://l.yimg.
>
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prev�
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have
> had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan
> for a better future but one wonders if they�re being overly ambitious.
> As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil
> Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in
> Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within
> the next five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on
> exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and
> wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is
> wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to
> Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in
> particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart
> coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It
> started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012
> with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started
> locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888
> while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price
> tag of the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of
> Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a
> basic Proton Prev� manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who
> could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to
> jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for
> nearly 20-years car buyers with a �hard ceiling� of RM65,000 had
> little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who
> wouldn�t rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton
> dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a �take it
> or leave it� attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars
> in odd or unfavourable spec.
> <http://l3.yimg.
>
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prev� is probably the company'
> sophisticated offering yet
>
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
> options and you get an �anything but Proton� attitude. It�s not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese
> but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for
> decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they
> have a chance to do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn�t in the same
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its
> also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which
> is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It�s a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those
> that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
> <http://l1.yimg.
>
> Proton's Saga of the future
>
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a
> market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a
> new Prev� hatchback due in September this year, which should help
> create some extra excitement for the brand but it�s also clear to see
> sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in
> two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most
> popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no
> real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985
> my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
> DISCLAIMER:
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