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Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:08 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Sukri Farah"
...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa.........tu yg tahu
perbezaannye..........harge pun lebih kurang sama je........
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com > wrote:
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>
> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com > <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
> harga.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
> Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my >wrote:
>
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
> dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
> *From:* automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:-
> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant
> To Malaysians?
>
>
> *Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?*
> [image: Motor Trader Malaysia] <http://motortrader.com.my/ >By *Naveen
> Victor* | *Motor Trader Malaysia*
>
> <http://my.news.yahoo.com/photos/proton-still-relevant-malaysians-photo-084644368.html >
> Proton Gen 2
> *Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
> attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?*
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
> not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July
> 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We
> had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards
> becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/w7LU3Qv_UvP5pH_d395hAg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/278866_201107_06_pro-20130813-085018-231.jpg >
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
> (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
> sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5
> per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of
> the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
> Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
> per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
> In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
> countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>
> <http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/CYFB8KFIzXmJojtYvSyP4g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/430622_63746pro-DSC_2977rt-20130813-085019-363.jpg >
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a
> monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better
> future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as
> late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell
> 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
> one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
> Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
> undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
> have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew
> of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan
> Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over
> RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its
> price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800
> with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
> buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
> Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
> increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
> the other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
> 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no
> choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather
> have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
> than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude
> as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>
> <http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/K2uC0bbbtPdOAkh3OGfOgw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/Screen-Shot-2013-08-06-at-3.02.35-PM-20130813-085017-736.jpg >
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most
> sophisticated offering yet
>
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
> options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades,
> most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to
> do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
> clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
> probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lCIdKLhDysYvoDqNYHsanQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/398349_62233-c-pro-20130813-085018-736.jpg >
> Proton's Saga of the future
>
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market
> that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé
> hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra
> excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward
> slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see
> Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia.
> Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride
> whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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perbezaannye.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>
> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
>
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
> harga.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogrou
> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
> Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ....yes still relevant....
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.
>
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
> dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
> *From:* automobil@yahoogrou
> Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:
> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.
> To Malaysians?
>
>
> *Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?*
> [image: Motor Trader Malaysia] <http://motortrader.
> Victor* | *Motor Trader Malaysia*
>
> <http://my.news.
> Proton Gen 2
> *Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
> attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?*
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
> not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July
> 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We
> had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards
> becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>
> <http://l1.yimg.
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
> (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
> sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5
> per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of
> the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
> Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
> per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
> In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
> countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>
> <http://l.yimg.
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a
> monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better
> future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as
> late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell
> 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
> one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
> Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
> undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
> have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew
> of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan
> Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over
> RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its
> price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800
> with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
> buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
> Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
> increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
> the other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
> 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no
> choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather
> have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
> than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude
> as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>
> <http://l3.yimg.
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company'
> sophisticated offering yet
>
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
> options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades,
> most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to
> do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
> clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
> probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>
> <http://l1.yimg.
> Proton's Saga of the future
>
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market
> that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé
> hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra
> excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward
> slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see
> Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia.
> Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride
> whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
> DISCLAIMER:
> This e-mail and the attachment is from Telekom Malaysia Berhad (TM). It is
> intended solely for the person to whom they are addressed and may be
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Zaiedishaq" zaiedishaq
Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje,
jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit
sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com > wrote:
> **
>
>
> ...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa.........tu yg tahu
> perbezaannye..........harge pun lebih kurang sama je........
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>>
>> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>>
>> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
>> car....
>>
>> rgds,
>> Nazri Ahtar
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com > <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
>> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com >wrote:
>>
>> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>> tapi lebih kecil.
>>
>> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
>> harga.
>>
>> rgds,
>> Nazri Ahtar
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>> *To:* "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
>> Msian consumers.
>> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>> org tamak selalu rugi....
>> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>> ....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my >wrote:
>>
>>
>> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
>> dieksport.
>> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>>
>> *From:* automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:-
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
>> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>> *Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?*
>> [image: Motor Trader Malaysia] <http://motortrader.com.my/ >By *Naveen
>> Victor* | *Motor Trader Malaysia*
>>
>> <http://my.news.yahoo.com/photos/proton-still-relevant-malaysians-photo-084644368.html >
>> Proton Gen 2
>> *Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
>> attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?*
>> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be
>> said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th
>> July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the
>> country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
>> springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
>> dreams now?
>>
>> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/w7LU3Qv_UvP5pH_d395hAg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/278866_201107_06_pro-20130813-085018-231.jpg >
>> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>>
>> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
>> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
>> (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
>> sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5
>> per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of
>> the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
>> Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
>> per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
>> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
>> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
>> In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
>> countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>>
>> <http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/CYFB8KFIzXmJojtYvSyP4g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/430622_63746pro-DSC_2977rt-20130813-085019-363.jpg >
>> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
>> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a
>> monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better
>> future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as
>> late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
>> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell
>> 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
>> one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
>> Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to
>> Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in
>> particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up
>> with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the
>> Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of
>> just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new
>> Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with
>> the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
>> buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
>> Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
>> increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
>> the other problem for Proton.
>> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
>> 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no
>> choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather
>> have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
>> than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude
>> as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>>
>> <http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/K2uC0bbbtPdOAkh3OGfOgw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/Screen-Shot-2013-08-06-at-3.02.35-PM-20130813-085017-736.jpg >
>> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most
>> sophisticated offering yet
>>
>> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
>> options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that
>> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
>> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades,
>> most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to
>> do so.
>> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same
>> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
>> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
>> clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
>> probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad
>> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
>> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>>
>> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lCIdKLhDysYvoDqNYHsanQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/398349_62233-c-pro-20130813-085018-736.jpg >
>> Proton's Saga of the future
>>
>> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
>> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market
>> that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé
>> hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra
>> excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward
>> slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see
>> Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia.
>> Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
>> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride
>> whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit
sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> **
>
>
> ...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa......
> perbezaannye.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@
>
>> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>>
>> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>>
>> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
>> car....
>>
>> rgds,
>> Nazri Ahtar
>>
>> ------------
>> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
>> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
>>
>> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>> tapi lebih kecil.
>>
>> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
>> harga.
>>
>> rgds,
>> Nazri Ahtar
>>
>> ------------
>> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
>> *To:* "automobil@yahoogrou
>> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
>> Msian consumers.
>> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>> org tamak selalu rugi....
>> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>
>>
>> ------------
>> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>> ....yes still relevant....
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.
>>
>>
>> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
>> dieksport.
>> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>>
>> *From:* automobil@yahoogrou
>> Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
>> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.
>> Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>> *Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?*
>> [image: Motor Trader Malaysia] <http://motortrader.
>> Victor* | *Motor Trader Malaysia*
>>
>> <http://my.news.
>> Proton Gen 2
>> *Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
>> attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?*
>> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be
>> said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th
>> July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the
>> country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
>> springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
>> dreams now?
>>
>> <http://l1.yimg.
>> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>>
>> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
>> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
>> (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
>> sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5
>> per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of
>> the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
>> Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
>> per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
>> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
>> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
>> In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
>> countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>>
>> <http://l.yimg.
>> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
>> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a
>> monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better
>> future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as
>> late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
>> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell
>> 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
>> one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
>> Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to
>> Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in
>> particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up
>> with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the
>> Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of
>> just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new
>> Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with
>> the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
>> buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
>> Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
>> increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
>> the other problem for Proton.
>> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
>> 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no
>> choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather
>> have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
>> than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude
>> as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>>
>> <http://l3.yimg.
>> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company'
>> sophisticated offering yet
>>
>> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
>> options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that
>> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
>> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades,
>> most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to
>> do so.
>> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same
>> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
>> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
>> clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
>> probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad
>> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
>> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>>
>> <http://l1.yimg.
>> Proton's Saga of the future
>>
>> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
>> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market
>> that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé
>> hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra
>> excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward
>> slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see
>> Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia.
>> Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
>> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride
>> whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
>> DISCLAIMER:
>> This e-mail and the attachment is from Telekom Malaysia Berhad (TM). It
>> is intended solely for the person to whom they are addressed and may be
>> confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are
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>
>
Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:00 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"afie east" afieeast
Saya guna kedua-duanya. Dulu saga megavalve, pas tu jual amik BLM dan ada kancil sekali. Setiap kereta
fungsi dia berbeza. Kalau jalan dekat & tak banyak barang, bawa kancil. Kalau jalan jauh & bawa banyak barang
bawa saga blm. Dua-dua saya sayang.
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
From: zaiedishaq@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:35:19 +0800
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com > wrote:
...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa.........tu yg tahu perbezaannye..........harge pun lebih kurang sama je........
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com > wrote:
yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu
reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap,
dan 6 airbag in a car....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: Sukri
Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To:
automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton
Still Relevant To Malaysians?
..perodua walau rege sama dan
mahal......quality is better than proton....no
doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On Mon, Aug
26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com >
wrote:
perodua murah ke ? myvi
1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je
kot.....
tapi
lebih kecil.
perodua
yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain
macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From:
bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
To:
"automobil@yahoogroups.com "
<automobil@yahoogroups.com >
Cc:
"bwasi@yahoo.com "
<bwasi@yahoo.com >
Sent:
Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To
Malaysians?
Mcm artikel tu
ckp..perodua aim at the
lowest level / basic level
of Msian consumers.
Gomen pun turut
lingkupkan proton bila depa
introduce Perodua..
org tamak selalu rugi....
tak perlu aku letak
fakta, boleh pikir sendiri
kot.....
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To:
automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Monday, August 26,
2013 12:20 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
- Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To
Malaysians?
....yes
still
relevant.........kalau
harganye
relevant...
On Mon, Aug
26, 2013 at
11:59 AM,
Ruslan Zakaria
<zruslan@tm.com.my >
wrote:
Memang
masih releven,
Cuma mohon
samakan harga
seperti harga
yg dieksport.
Negara
pengeluar
mahal daripada
Negara yg
dieksport.
From:
automobil@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf
Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
Sent:
Friday, August
23, 2013 11:55
PM
To:
zzxmelayucyber
Subject:
www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
- Fw: Is
Proton Still
Relevant To
Malaysians?
Is
Proton Still
Relevant To
Malaysians?
By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
Proton
Gen 2
Malaysia's national carmaker is
finding it
increasingly
difficult to
attract local
buyers but
does it mean
they're in
permanent
decline?
Many
Malaysians
have a
colourful
history with
Proton and it
has to be said
not all of
it's bad. When
the original
Proton Saga
was launched
on 9th July
1985 the
feeling of
national pride
was palpable
throughout the
country. We
had become a
car-producing
nation and it
would be our
springboard
towards
becoming an
industrialised
nation. Where
are those
dreams now?
Proton Wira also known as the
Persona in the
UK
In
2002, Proton
sold 214,985
vehicles and
accounted for
49.43 per cent
of total
vehicle sales
in Malaysia.
In 2012,
despite
Malaysia
having a TIV
(Total
Industry
Volume) of
627,753 units
(up from
434,954 in
2002) Proton
sold just
141,121
vehicles,
which
accounted for
a market share
of just 22.5
per cent. In
contrast,
Perodua sold
189,137 cars
for over 30
per cent of
the overall
market while
Toyota
continued to
grow with
105,151 sales.
Incidentally,
the Japanese
brand managed
just 27,355
sales in 2002
with 60 per
cent of those
being
commercial
vehicle sales.
No
matter how you
look at them,
the numbers
make for some
pretty grim
reading.
Despite having
28 years of
history behind
it Proton is
still heavily
reliant on the
Malaysian car
buyer, as
export numbers
remain tiny.
In 2012 only
about 20,000
Protons were
sold outside
of Malaysia in
55 countries,
which makes
them a tiny
niche brand in
most markets.
Proton replaced its family sedan,
the Proton
Persona with
the Prevé
Proton
is aware of
its failings
and to their
credit, are
taking
considerable
steps to
reenergise the
brand. New
owners
DRB-Hicom have
had a
monumental
task to clean
out old
regimes and
systems and
plan for a
better future
but one
wonders if
they're being
overly
ambitious. As
recently as
late June
2013, Proton
Chairman Tan
Sri Mohd
Khamil Jamil
stated that
their aim was
to reclaim
sales
leadership in
Malaysia
within two
years and sell
500,000 cars a
year globally
within the
next five
years.
These
are very
aggressive
numbers and
despite a
renewed focus
on exports,
one wonders if
Proton will
eventually
lose the
hearts and
wallets of
Malaysian
buyers.
Evidence of
this already
happening is
wide spread.
Aside
from the
continued
strength of
Perodua, the
biggest threat
to Proton
undoubtedly
comes Japanese
and Korean
brands. The
Japanese in
particular
have taken
ASEAN
production and
localisation
to heart
coming up with
a slew of
products at
ever-smaller
price tags. It
started slow
but the Nissan
Almera got
things really
rolling in
2012 with a
starting price
of just over
RM66,000. Then
Suzuki started
locally
assembling the
all-new Swift
and its price
dropped to
RM65,888 while
Honda shocked
everyone with
the RM74,800
with insurance
price tag of
the CKD Jazz.
At
a stroke cars
from Japanese
brands were
now within the
reach of
Proton buyers
and though
there was a
still a
premium to be
paid (a basic
Proton Prevé
manual starts
at less than
RM60,000)
those who
could afford
the increased
monthly
payments were
only too eager
to jump ship.
There in lies
the other
problem for
Proton.
Due
to the
favourable
taxation
structures
previously
employed, for
nearly
20-years car
buyers with a
'hard ceiling'
of RM65,000
had little or
no choice. If
you wanted a
new car for
that money
(and who
wouldn't
rather have
new over
used?) then
you had to
visit the
Proton dealer.
More often
than not, the
buyer also
came up
against a
'take it or
leave it'
attitude as
salesmen could
always find a
buyer for cars
in odd or
unfavourable
spec.
Proton's latest family sedan, the
Prevé is
probably the
company's most
sophisticated
offering yet
Put
those buyers
into a market
situation
where they
suddenly have
options and
you get an
'anything but
Proton'
attitude. It's
not that
Malaysians are
anti national
cars,
anti-Proton or
even
pro-Japanese
but having
been force fed
a steady diet
of Protons and
Peroduas for
decades, most
just want to
buy from a
different
brand and now
they have a
chance to do
so.
That
being the
case, some may
wonder why
Perodua isn't
in the same
predicament
and the simple
answer is that
they are in
the very
lowest levels
of the market
where cars are
bought as
basic
transport. Its
also clear
Malaysians
have a more
favourable
opinion of
Perodua, which
is probably
due to the
Toyota/Daihatsu
spin-offs they
sell. It's a
sad admission
to make but
the very best
Proton cars
have always
been those
that were
re-badged
efforts rather
than something
they designed
in-house.
Proton's Saga of the future
Which
brings us back
to the main
question. Is
Proton still
relevant to
Malaysians?
For the first
half of 2013,
Proton sold
64,782 cars in
a market that
grew 4.1 per
cent over the
same period on
2012. There is
a new Prevé
hatchback due
in September
this year,
which should
help create
some extra
excitement for
the brand but
it's also
clear to see
sales are on
downward
slope. Instead
of claiming
market
leadership in
two years, we
could see
Proton
replaced by
Toyota as the
second most
popular brand
in Malaysia.
Unless
something
happens soon,
there is no
real way out
of the
predicament,
which is a
shame because
back in 1985
my heart
filled with
Malaysian
pride whenever
I saw a Proton
Saga.
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To: automobil@yahoogrou
From: zaiedishaq@gmail.
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:35:19 +0800
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa......
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@
yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu
reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap,
dan 6 airbag in a car....
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From: Sukri
Farah <farah33sukri@
To:
automobil@yahoogrou
Sent:
Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.
Still Relevant To Malaysians?
..perodua walau rege sama dan
mahal......quality is better than proton....no
doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
On Mon, Aug
26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
wrote:
perodua murah ke ? myvi
1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je
kot.....
tapi
lebih kecil.
perodua
yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain
macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
From:
bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
To:
"automobil@yahoogrou
<automobil@yahoogrou
Cc:
"bwasi@yahoo.
<bwasi@yahoo.
Sent:
Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.
- Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To
Malaysians?
Mcm artikel tu
ckp..perodua aim at the
lowest level / basic level
of Msian consumers.
Gomen pun turut
lingkupkan proton bila depa
introduce Perodua..
org tamak selalu rugi....
tak perlu aku letak
fakta, boleh pikir sendiri
kot.....
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To:
automobil@yahoogrou
Sent:
Monday, August 26,
2013 12:20 PM
Subject:
Re: www.groupautomobil.
- Fw: Is Proton Still
Relevant To
Malaysians?
....yes
still
relevant....
harganye
relevant...
On Mon, Aug
26, 2013 at
11:59 AM,
Ruslan Zakaria
<zruslan@tm.com.
wrote:
Memang
masih releven,
Cuma mohon
samakan harga
seperti harga
yg dieksport.
Negara
pengeluar
mahal daripada
Negara yg
dieksport.
From:
automobil@yahoogrou
[mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
On Behalf
Of -:eSpAcE9808:
Sent:
Friday, August
23, 2013 11:55
PM
To:
zzxmelayucyber
Subject:
www.groupautomobil.
- Fw: Is
Proton Still
Relevant To
Malaysians?
Is
Proton Still
Relevant To
Malaysians?
By Naveen Victor | Motor Trader Malaysia
Proton
Gen 2
Malaysia's national carmaker is
finding it
increasingly
difficult to
attract local
buyers but
does it mean
they're in
permanent
decline?
Many
Malaysians
have a
colourful
history with
Proton and it
has to be said
not all of
it's bad. When
the original
Proton Saga
was launched
on 9th July
1985 the
feeling of
national pride
was palpable
throughout the
country. We
had become a
car-producing
nation and it
would be our
springboard
towards
becoming an
industrialised
nation. Where
are those
dreams now?
Proton Wira also known as the
Persona in the
UK
In
2002, Proton
sold 214,985
vehicles and
accounted for
49.43 per cent
of total
vehicle sales
in Malaysia.
In 2012,
despite
Malaysia
having a TIV
(Total
Industry
Volume) of
627,753 units
(up from
434,954 in
2002) Proton
sold just
141,121
vehicles,
which
accounted for
a market share
of just 22.5
per cent. In
contrast,
Perodua sold
189,137 cars
for over 30
per cent of
the overall
market while
Toyota
continued to
grow with
105,151 sales.
Incidentally,
the Japanese
brand managed
just 27,355
sales in 2002
with 60 per
cent of those
being
commercial
vehicle sales.
No
matter how you
look at them,
the numbers
make for some
pretty grim
reading.
Despite having
28 years of
history behind
it Proton is
still heavily
reliant on the
Malaysian car
buyer, as
export numbers
remain tiny.
In 2012 only
about 20,000
Protons were
sold outside
of Malaysia in
55 countries,
which makes
them a tiny
niche brand in
most markets.
Proton replaced its family sedan,
the Proton
Persona with
the Prevé
Proton
is aware of
its failings
and to their
credit, are
taking
considerable
steps to
reenergise the
brand. New
owners
DRB-Hicom have
had a
monumental
task to clean
out old
regimes and
systems and
plan for a
better future
but one
wonders if
they're being
overly
ambitious. As
recently as
late June
2013, Proton
Chairman Tan
Sri Mohd
Khamil Jamil
stated that
their aim was
to reclaim
sales
leadership in
Malaysia
within two
years and sell
500,000 cars a
year globally
within the
next five
years.
These
are very
aggressive
numbers and
despite a
renewed focus
on exports,
one wonders if
Proton will
eventually
lose the
hearts and
wallets of
Malaysian
buyers.
Evidence of
this already
happening is
wide spread.
Aside
from the
continued
strength of
Perodua, the
biggest threat
to Proton
undoubtedly
comes Japanese
and Korean
brands. The
Japanese in
particular
have taken
ASEAN
production and
localisation
to heart
coming up with
a slew of
products at
ever-smaller
price tags. It
started slow
but the Nissan
Almera got
things really
rolling in
2012 with a
starting price
of just over
RM66,000. Then
Suzuki started
locally
assembling the
all-new Swift
and its price
dropped to
RM65,888 while
Honda shocked
everyone with
the RM74,800
with insurance
price tag of
the CKD Jazz.
At
a stroke cars
from Japanese
brands were
now within the
reach of
Proton buyers
and though
there was a
still a
premium to be
paid (a basic
Proton Prevé
manual starts
at less than
RM60,000)
those who
could afford
the increased
monthly
payments were
only too eager
to jump ship.
There in lies
the other
problem for
Proton.
Due
to the
favourable
taxation
structures
previously
employed, for
nearly
20-years car
buyers with a
'hard ceiling'
of RM65,000
had little or
no choice. If
you wanted a
new car for
that money
(and who
wouldn't
rather have
new over
used?) then
you had to
visit the
Proton dealer.
More often
than not, the
buyer also
came up
against a
'take it or
leave it'
attitude as
salesmen could
always find a
buyer for cars
in odd or
unfavourable
spec.
Proton's latest family sedan, the
Prevé is
probably the
company'
sophisticated
offering yet
Put
those buyers
into a market
situation
where they
suddenly have
options and
you get an
'anything but
Proton'
attitude. It's
not that
Malaysians are
anti national
cars,
anti-Proton or
even
pro-Japanese
but having
been force fed
a steady diet
of Protons and
Peroduas for
decades, most
just want to
buy from a
different
brand and now
they have a
chance to do
so.
That
being the
case, some may
wonder why
Perodua isn't
in the same
predicament
and the simple
answer is that
they are in
the very
lowest levels
of the market
where cars are
bought as
basic
transport. Its
also clear
Malaysians
have a more
favourable
opinion of
Perodua, which
is probably
due to the
Toyota/Daihatsu
spin-offs they
sell. It's a
sad admission
to make but
the very best
Proton cars
have always
been those
that were
re-badged
efforts rather
than something
they designed
in-house.
Proton's Saga of the future
Which
brings us back
to the main
question. Is
Proton still
relevant to
Malaysians?
For the first
half of 2013,
Proton sold
64,782 cars in
a market that
grew 4.1 per
cent over the
same period on
2012. There is
a new Prevé
hatchback due
in September
this year,
which should
help create
some extra
excitement for
the brand but
it's also
clear to see
sales are on
downward
slope. Instead
of claiming
market
leadership in
two years, we
could see
Proton
replaced by
Toyota as the
second most
popular brand
in Malaysia.
Unless
something
happens soon,
there is no
real way out
of the
predicament,
which is a
shame because
back in 1985
my heart
filled with
Malaysian
pride whenever
I saw a Proton
Saga.
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:07 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Nazri Ahtar" littlenoti
saya pun guna wira juga dulu.....beli used..... guna 6-7 tahun juga, habis hutang, jual. beli lain pula....
Â
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: Zaiedishaq <zaiedishaq@gmail.com >
To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
Â
Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com > wrote:
>Â
>...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa.........tu yg tahu perbezaannye..........harge pun lebih kurang sama je........
>
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>>
>>
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>>
>>saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
>>>Â
>>>rgds,
>>>Nazri Ahtar
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Â
>>>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>>>
>>>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>>>>tapi lebih kecil.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
>>>>Â
>>>>rgds,
>>>>Nazri Ahtar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>>To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>>>>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian consumers.
>>>>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>>>>org tamak selalu rugi....
>>>>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Â
>>>>....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Â
>>>>>Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
>>>>>Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>>>>>Â
>>>>>From:automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
>>>>>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>>>>>To: zzxmelayucyber
>>>>>Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>Â
>>>>>Â
>>>>>Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>By Naveen Victor| Motor Trader MalaysiaÂ
>>>>>Â
>>>>>Proton Gen 2
>>>>>Malaysia’s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they’re in permanent decline?
>>>>>Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it’s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>>>>>Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>>>>>Â
>>>>>In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>>>>>No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>>>>>Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>>>>>Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they’re being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>>>>>These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>>>>>Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>>>>>At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
>>>>>Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a ‘hard ceiling’ of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn’t rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a ‘take it or leave it’ attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>>>>>Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most sophisticated offering yet
>>>>>Â
>>>>>Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options and you get an ‘anything but Proton’ attitude. It’s not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>>>>>That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn’t in the same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It’s a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>>>>>Proton's Saga of the future
>>>>>Â
>>>>>Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand but it’s also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
>>>>>DISCLAIMER:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Â
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
____________
From: Zaiedishaq <zaiedishaq@gmail.
To: "automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Â
Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>Â
>...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa......
>
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@
>
>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>>
>>
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>>
>>saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:16 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Sukri Farah"
.....so ape kesimpulannye?
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
> saya pun guna wira juga dulu.....beli used..... guna 6-7 tahun juga, habis
> hutang, jual. beli lain pula....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Zaiedishaq <zaiedishaq@gmail.com >
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:35 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje,
> jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit
> sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >wrote:
>
> **
>
> ...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa.........tu yg tahu
> perbezaannye..........harge pun lebih kurang sama je........
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>
> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com > <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
> harga.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
> Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my >wrote:
>
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
> dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
> *From:* automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:-
> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant
> To Malaysians?
>
>
> *Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?*
> [image: Motor Trader Malaysia] <http://motortrader.com.my/ >By *Naveen
> Victor* | *Motor Trader Malaysia*
>
> <http://my.news.yahoo.com/photos/proton-still-relevant-malaysians-photo-084644368.html >
> Proton Gen 2
> *Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
> attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?*
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
> not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July
> 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We
> had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards
> becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/w7LU3Qv_UvP5pH_d395hAg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/278866_201107_06_pro-20130813-085018-231.jpg >
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
> (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
> sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5
> per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of
> the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
> Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
> per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
> In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
> countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>
> <http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/CYFB8KFIzXmJojtYvSyP4g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/430622_63746pro-DSC_2977rt-20130813-085019-363.jpg >
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a
> monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better
> future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as
> late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell
> 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
> one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
> Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
> undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
> have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew
> of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan
> Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over
> RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its
> price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800
> with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
> buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
> Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
> increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
> the other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
> 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no
> choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather
> have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
> than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude
> as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>
> <http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/K2uC0bbbtPdOAkh3OGfOgw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/Screen-Shot-2013-08-06-at-3.02.35-PM-20130813-085017-736.jpg >
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most
> sophisticated offering yet
>
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
> options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades,
> most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to
> do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
> clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
> probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lCIdKLhDysYvoDqNYHsanQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/398349_62233-c-pro-20130813-085018-736.jpg >
> Proton's Saga of the future
>
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market
> that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé
> hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra
> excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward
> slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see
> Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia.
> Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride
> whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
> saya pun guna wira juga dulu.....beli used..... guna 6-7 tahun juga, habis
> hutang, jual. beli lain pula....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* Zaiedishaq <zaiedishaq@gmail.
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:35 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje,
> jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit
> sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>
> **
>
> ...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa......
> perbezaannye.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>
> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
>
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
> harga.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogrou
> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
> Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ....yes still relevant....
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.
>
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
> dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
> *From:* automobil@yahoogrou
> Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:
> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.
> To Malaysians?
>
>
> *Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?*
> [image: Motor Trader Malaysia] <http://motortrader.
> Victor* | *Motor Trader Malaysia*
>
> <http://my.news.
> Proton Gen 2
> *Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
> attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?*
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
> not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July
> 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We
> had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards
> becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>
> <http://l1.yimg.
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
> (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
> sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5
> per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of
> the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
> Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
> per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
> In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
> countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>
> <http://l.yimg.
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a
> monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better
> future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as
> late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell
> 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
> one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
> Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
> undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
> have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew
> of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan
> Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over
> RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its
> price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800
> with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
> buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
> Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
> increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
> the other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
> 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no
> choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather
> have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
> than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude
> as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>
> <http://l3.yimg.
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company'
> sophisticated offering yet
>
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
> options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades,
> most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to
> do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
> clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
> probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>
> <http://l1.yimg.
> Proton's Saga of the future
>
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market
> that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé
> hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra
> excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward
> slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see
> Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia.
> Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride
> whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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> This e-mail and the attachment is from Telekom Malaysia Berhad (TM). It is
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:22 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Nazri Ahtar" littlenoti
tak de kesimpulan. saya cuma membalas zaiedshaq :)
Â
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
Â
.....so ape kesimpulannye?
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
saya pun guna wira juga dulu.....beli used..... guna 6-7 tahun juga, habis hutang, jual. beli lain pula....
>Â
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Zaiedishaq <zaiedishaq@gmail.com >
>To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:35 PM
>
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
>
>Â
>Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
>
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
>>Â
>>...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa.........tu yg tahu perbezaannye..........harge pun lebih kurang sama je........
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>>>
>>>
On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>>>
>>>saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
>>>>Â
>>>>rgds,
>>>>Nazri Ahtar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Â
>>>>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>>>>>tapi lebih kecil.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
>>>>>Â
>>>>>rgds,
>>>>>Nazri Ahtar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>>>To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>>>>>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian consumers.
>>>>>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>>>>>org tamak selalu rugi....
>>>>>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Â
>>>>>....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
>>>>>>Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>From:automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>>>>>>To: zzxmelayucyber
>>>>>>Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>>By Naveen Victor| Motor Trader MalaysiaÂ
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Proton Gen 2
>>>>>>Malaysia’s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they’re in permanent decline?
>>>>>>Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it’s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>>>>>>Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>>>>>>No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>>>>>>Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>>>>>>Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they’re being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>>>>>>These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>>>>>>Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>>>>>>At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
>>>>>>Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a ‘hard ceiling’ of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn’t rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a ‘take it or leave it’ attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>>>>>>Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most sophisticated offering yet
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options and you get an ‘anything but Proton’ attitude. It’s not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>>>>>>That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn’t in the same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It’s a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>>>>>>Proton's Saga of the future
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand but it’s also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
Â
.....so ape kesimpulannye?
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
saya pun guna wira juga dulu.....beli used..... guna 6-7 tahun juga, habis hutang, jual. beli lain pula....
>Â
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>
>________
> From: Zaiedishaq <zaiedishaq@gmail.
>To: "automobil@yahoogrou
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:35 PM
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>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
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>
>
>Â
>Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
>
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>
>
>>Â
>>...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa......
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@
>>
>>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:22 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"MHZ" mohamad_hadi
wira aku dah dekat sebulan tak jln.. masuk kunci takde api langsung..
bateri ke? tak sempat nak cek..
On 28/08/2013 4:35 PM, Zaiedishaq wrote:
> Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1
> aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula
> la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk
> kereta ni.. hehe
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com
> <mailto:farah33sukri@gmail.com >> wrote:
>
> ...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa.........tu yg
> tahu perbezaannye..........harge pun lebih kurang sama je........
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com
> <mailto:cekelatgetah@gmail.com >> wrote:
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6
>> airbag in a car....
>> rgds,
>> Nazri Ahtar
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>> <mailto:farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
>> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com > - Fw: Is Proton
>> Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better
>> than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar
>> <littlenoti@yahoo.com <mailto:littlenoti@yahoo.com >> wrote:
>>
>> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je
>> kot.....
>> tapi lebih kecil.
>>
>> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak
>> berbaloi punya harga.
>> rgds,
>> Nazri Ahtar
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >>
>> *To:* "automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >"
>> <automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >>
>> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.com <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >"
>> <bwasi@yahoo.com <mailto:bwasi@yahoo.com >>
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
>> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ > - Fw: Is Proton
>> Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level /
>> basic level of Msian consumers.
>> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce
>> Perodua..
>> org tamak selalu rugi....
>> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com
>> <mailto:farah33sukri@gmail.com >>
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
>> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ > - Fw: Is Proton
>> Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> ....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria
>> <zruslan@tm.com.my <mailto:zruslan@tm.com.my >> wrote:
>>
>> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga
>> seperti harga yg dieksport.
>> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>> *From:*automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>> [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com >] *On Behalf Of
>> *-:eSpAcE9808:-
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
>> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com
>> <http://www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com/ > - Fw: Is
>> Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>> _Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?_
>>
>> Motor Trader Malaysia <http://motortrader.com.my/ >By
>> /Naveen Victor/| /Motor Trader Malaysia/
>> <http://my.news.yahoo.com/photos/proton-still-relevant-malaysians-photo-084644368.html >
>> Proton Gen 2
>> /Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it
>> increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but
>> does it mean they're in permanent decline?/
>> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton
>> and it has to be said not all of it's bad. When the
>> original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985
>> the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout
>> the country. We had become a car-producing nation and
>> it would be our springboard towards becoming an
>> industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/w7LU3Qv_UvP5pH_d395hAg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/278866_201107_06_pro-20130813-085018-231.jpg >
>> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted
>> for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in
>> Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
>> (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from
>> 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles,
>> which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per
>> cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over
>> 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota
>> continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally,
>> the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002
>> with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for
>> some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of
>> history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on
>> the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain
>> tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold
>> outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them
>> a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>> <http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/CYFB8KFIzXmJojtYvSyP4g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/430622_63746pro-DSC_2977rt-20130813-085019-363.jpg >
>> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona
>> with the Prevé
>> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit,
>> are taking considerable steps to reenergise the
>> brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental
>> task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan
>> for a better future but one wonders if they're being
>> overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013,
>> Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that
>> their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia
>> within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year
>> globally within the next five years.
>> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a
>> renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will
>> eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian
>> buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide
>> spread.
>> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the
>> biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese
>> and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have
>> taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart
>> coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller
>> price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got
>> things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price
>> of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally
>> assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to
>> RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the
>> RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within
>> the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a
>> still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé
>> manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could
>> afford the increased monthly payments were only too
>> eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem
>> for Proton.
>> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously
>> employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard
>> ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you
>> wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't
>> rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the
>> Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also
>> came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude as
>> salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or
>> unfavourable spec.
>> <http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/K2uC0bbbtPdOAkh3OGfOgw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/Screen-Shot-2013-08-06-at-3.02.35-PM-20130813-085017-736.jpg >
>> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably
>> the company's most sophisticated offering yet
>> Put those buyers into a market situation where they
>> suddenly have options and you get an 'anything but
>> Proton' attitude. It's not that Malaysians are anti
>> national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
>> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and
>> Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a
>> different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua
>> isn't in the same predicament and the simple answer
>> is that they are in the very lowest levels of the
>> market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its
>> also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion
>> of Perodua, which is probably due to the
>> Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad
>> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have
>> always been those that were re-badged efforts rather
>> than something they designed in-house.
>> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lCIdKLhDysYvoDqNYHsanQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/398349_62233-c-pro-20130813-085018-736.jpg >
>> Proton's Saga of the future
>> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton
>> still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of
>> 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew
>> 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a
>> new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which
>> should help create some extra excitement for the
>> brand but it's also clear to see sales are on
>> downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership
>> in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota
>> as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless
>> something happens soon, there is no real way out of
>> the predicament, which is a shame because back in
>> 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I
>> saw a Proton Saga.
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bateri ke? tak sempat nak cek..
On 28/08/2013 4:35 PM, Zaiedishaq wrote:
> Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1
> aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula
> la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk
> kereta ni.. hehe
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> <mailto:farah33sukri@
>
> ...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa......
> tahu perbezaannye.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@
> <mailto:cekelatgetah@
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6
>> airbag in a car....
>> rgds,
>> Nazri Ahtar
>>
>> ------------
>> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>> <mailto:farah33sukri@
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
>> <http://www.groupaut
>> Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better
>> than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar
>> <littlenoti@yahoo.
>>
>> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je
>> kot.....
>> tapi lebih kecil.
>>
>> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak
>> berbaloi punya harga.
>> rgds,
>> Nazri Ahtar
>>
>> ------------
>> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
>> *To:* "automobil@yahoogrou
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
>> <automobil@yahoogrou
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
>> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.
>> <bwasi@yahoo.
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
>> <http://www.groupaut
>> Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level /
>> basic level of Msian consumers.
>> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce
>> Perodua..
>> org tamak selalu rugi....
>> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>
>>
>> ------------
>> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>> <mailto:farah33sukri@
>> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
>> <http://www.groupaut
>> Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>> ....yes still relevant....
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria
>> <zruslan@tm.com.
>>
>> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga
>> seperti harga yg dieksport.
>> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>> *From:*automobil@yahoogro
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
>> [mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
>> <mailto:automobil@yahoogrou
>> *-:eSpAcE9808:
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
>> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.
>> <http://www.groupaut
>> Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>
>>
>> _Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?_
>>
>> Motor Trader Malaysia <http://motortrader.
>> /Naveen Victor/| /Motor Trader Malaysia/
>> <http://my.news.
>> Proton Gen 2
>> /Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it
>> increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but
>> does it mean they're in permanent decline?/
>> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton
>> and it has to be said not all of it's bad. When the
>> original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985
>> the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout
>> the country. We had become a car-producing nation and
>> it would be our springboard towards becoming an
>> industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>> <http://l1.yimg.
>> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted
>> for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in
>> Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
>> (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from
>> 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles,
>> which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per
>> cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over
>> 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota
>> continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally,
>> the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002
>> with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for
>> some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of
>> history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on
>> the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain
>> tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold
>> outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them
>> a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>> <http://l.yimg.
>> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona
>> with the Prevé
>> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit,
>> are taking considerable steps to reenergise the
>> brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental
>> task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan
>> for a better future but one wonders if they're being
>> overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013,
>> Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that
>> their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia
>> within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year
>> globally within the next five years.
>> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a
>> renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will
>> eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian
>> buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide
>> spread.
>> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the
>> biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese
>> and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have
>> taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart
>> coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller
>> price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got
>> things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price
>> of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally
>> assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to
>> RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the
>> RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within
>> the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a
>> still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé
>> manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could
>> afford the increased monthly payments were only too
>> eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem
>> for Proton.
>> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously
>> employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard
>> ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you
>> wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't
>> rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the
>> Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also
>> came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude as
>> salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or
>> unfavourable spec.
>> <http://l3.yimg.
>> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably
>> the company'
>> Put those buyers into a market situation where they
>> suddenly have options and you get an 'anything but
>> Proton' attitude. It's not that Malaysians are anti
>> national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
>> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and
>> Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a
>> different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua
>> isn't in the same predicament and the simple answer
>> is that they are in the very lowest levels of the
>> market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its
>> also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion
>> of Perodua, which is probably due to the
>> Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad
>> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have
>> always been those that were re-badged efforts rather
>> than something they designed in-house.
>> <http://l1.yimg.
>> Proton's Saga of the future
>> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton
>> still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of
>> 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew
>> 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a
>> new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which
>> should help create some extra excitement for the
>> brand but it's also clear to see sales are on
>> downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership
>> in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota
>> as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless
>> something happens soon, there is no real way out of
>> the predicament, which is a shame because back in
>> 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I
>> saw a Proton Saga.
>> DISCLAIMER:
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:30 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Nazri Ahtar" littlenoti
bateri, fius blow..... ?
Â
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
wira aku dah dekat sebulan tak jln.. masuk kunci takde api langsung.. bateri ke? tak sempat nak cek..
On 28/08/2013 4:35 PM, Zaiedishaq wrote:
Â
>Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
>
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>Â
>>...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa.........tu yg tahu perbezaannye..........harge pun lebih kurang sama je........
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>>>
>>>On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri
Ahtar wrote:
>>>
>>>saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
>>>>Â
>>>>rgds,
>>>>Nazri Ahtar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Â
>>>>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>>>>>tapi lebih kecil.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
>>>>>Â
>>>>>rgds,
>>>>>Nazri Ahtar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>>>To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>>>>>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian consumers.
>>>>>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>>>>>org tamak selalu rugi....
>>>>>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Â
>>>>>....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
>>>>>>Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>From:automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>>>>>>To: zzxmelayucyber
>>>>>>Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>>By Naveen Victor| Motor Trader MalaysiaÂ
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Proton Gen 2
>>>>>>Malaysia’s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they’re in permanent decline?
>>>>>>Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it’s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>>>>>>Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>>>>>>No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>>>>>>Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>>>>>>Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they’re being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>>>>>>These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>>>>>>Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>>>>>>At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
>>>>>>Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a ‘hard ceiling’ of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn’t rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a ‘take it or leave it’ attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>>>>>>Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most sophisticated offering yet
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options and you get an ‘anything but Proton’ attitude. It’s not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>>>>>>That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn’t in the same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It’s a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>>>>>>Proton's Saga of the future
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand but it’s also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
>>>>>>DISCLAIMER:
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rgds,
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From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
To: automobil@yahoogrou
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
wira aku dah dekat sebulan tak jln.. masuk kunci takde api langsung.. bateri ke? tak sempat nak cek..
On 28/08/2013 4:35 PM, Zaiedishaq wrote:
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>Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
>
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>
>Â
>>...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa......
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@
>>
>>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>>>
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From: Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com >
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bateri, fius blow..... ?
Â
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
wira aku dah dekat sebulan tak jln.. masuk kunci takde api langsung.. bateri ke? tak sempat nak cek..
On 28/08/2013 4:35 PM, Zaiedishaq wrote:
Â
>Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
>
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>Â
>>...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa.........tu yg tahu perbezaannye..........harge pun lebih kurang sama je........
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>>>
>>>On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri
Ahtar wrote:
>>>
>>>saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
>>>>Â
>>>>rgds,
>>>>Nazri Ahtar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Â
>>>>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>>>>>tapi lebih kecil.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
>>>>>Â
>>>>>rgds,
>>>>>Nazri Ahtar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>>>To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>>>>>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian consumers.
>>>>>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>>>>>org tamak selalu rugi....
>>>>>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Â
>>>>>....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
>>>>>>Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>From:automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>>>>>>To: zzxmelayucyber
>>>>>>Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>>By Naveen Victor| Motor Trader MalaysiaÂ
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>Proton Gen 2
>>>>>>Malaysia’s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they’re in permanent decline?
>>>>>>Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it’s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>>>>>>Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>>>>>>No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>>>>>>Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>>>>>>Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they’re being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>>>>>>These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>>>>>>Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>>>>>>At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
>>>>>>Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a ‘hard ceiling’ of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn’t rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a ‘take it or leave it’ attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>>>>>>Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most sophisticated offering yet
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>>>>>>Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options and you get an ‘anything but Proton’ attitude. It’s not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>>>>>>That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn’t in the same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It’s a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>>>>>>Proton's Saga of the future
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>>>>>>Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand but it’s also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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From: Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:30:06
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bateri, fius blow..... ?
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wira aku dah dekat sebulan tak jln.. masuk kunci takde api langsung.. bateri ke? tak sempat nak cek..
On 28/08/2013 4:35 PM, Zaiedishaq wrote:
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>Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
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>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
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>>...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa......
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>>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@
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>>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
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