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Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Zaiedishaq" zaiedishaq
batteri flat tu.. pernah terkena. lepas tu kalau nak tinggal lama-lama kena
bukak bateri la..
Bro Nazri,
Wira bro dulu kuat merajuk tak? :D
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:33 PM, <fuzzyinn@yahoo.com > wrote:
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com >
> Sender: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:30:06
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
> Reply-To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> bateri, fius blow..... ?
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:22 PM
> Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
>
> wira aku dah dekat sebulan tak jln.. masuk kunci takde api langsung..
> bateri ke? tak sempat nak cek..
>
> On 28/08/2013 4:35 PM, Zaiedishaq wrote:
>
>
> >Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1
> aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la
> sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta
> ni.. hehe
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa.........tu yg tahu
> perbezaannye..........harge pun lebih kurang sama je........
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com > wrote:
> >>
> >>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
> >>>
> >>>On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri
> Ahtar wrote:
> >>>
> >>>saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
> >>>>
> >>>>rgds,
> >>>>Nazri Ahtar
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>________________________________
> >>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> >>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com >
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> >>>>>tapi lebih kecil.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
> harga.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>rgds,
> >>>>>Nazri Ahtar
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>________________________________
> >>>>> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
> >>>>>To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
> >>>>>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
> >>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
> >>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
> Msian consumers.
> >>>>>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> >>>>>org tamak selalu rugi....
> >>>>>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>________________________________
> >>>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> >>>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
> >>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my >
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
> dieksport.
> >>>>>>Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>From:automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ]
> On Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
> >>>>>>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
> >>>>>>To: zzxmelayucyber
> >>>>>>Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
> >>>>>>By Naveen Victor| Motor Trader Malaysia
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Proton Gen 2
> >>>>>>Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
> attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?
> >>>>>>Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to
> be said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on
> 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the
> country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
> springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
> dreams now?
> >>>>>>Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per
> cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a
> TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002)
> Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of
> just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per
> cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151
> sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002
> with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> >>>>>>No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty
> grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
> In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
> countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
> >>>>>>Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
> >>>>>>Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a
> monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better
> future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as
> late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell
> 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
> >>>>>>These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on
> exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets
> of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
> >>>>>>Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to
> Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in
> particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up
> with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the
> Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of
> just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new
> Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with
> the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
> >>>>>>At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of
> Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic
> Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford
> the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in
> lies the other problem for Proton.
> >>>>>>Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for
> nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or
> no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather
> have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
> than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude
> as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
> >>>>>>Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's
> most sophisticated offering yet
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
> options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades,
> most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to
> do so.
> >>>>>>That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
> clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
> probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
> >>>>>>Proton's Saga of the future
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant
> to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a
> market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new
> Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some
> extra excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on
> downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we
> could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in
> Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the
> predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with
> Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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bukak bateri la..
Bro Nazri,
Wira bro dulu kuat merajuk tak? :D
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:33 PM, <fuzzyinn@yahoo.
> **
>
>
> Secara logiknya bateri la kena check dulu
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
> Sender: automobil@yahoogrou
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:30:06
> To: automobil@yahoogrou
> Reply-To: automobil@yahoogrou
> Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> bateri, fius blow..... ?
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
>
> ____________
> From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@
> To: automobil@yahoogrou
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:22 PM
> Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
>
> wira aku dah dekat sebulan tak jln.. masuk kunci takde api langsung..
> bateri ke? tak sempat nak cek..
>
> On 28/08/2013 4:35 PM, Zaiedishaq wrote:
>
>
> >Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1
> aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la
> sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta
> ni.. hehe
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa......
> perbezaannye.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@
> >>
> >>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
> >>>
> >>>
> Ahtar wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> car....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Relevant To Malaysians?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> harga.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Relevant To Malaysians?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Msian consumers.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Relevant To Malaysians?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> dieksport.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> On Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Relevant To Malaysians?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?
> >>>
> be said not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on
> 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the
> country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our
> springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those
> dreams now?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a
> TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002)
> Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of
> just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per
> cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151
> sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002
> with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> >>>
> grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
> In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
> countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
> >>>
> >>>
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a
> monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better
> future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as
> late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell
> 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
> >>>
> exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets
> of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
> >>>
> Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in
> particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up
> with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the
> Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of
> just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new
> Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with
> the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
> >>>
> Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic
> Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford
> the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in
> lies the other problem for Proton.
> >>>
> nearly 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or
> no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather
> have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
> than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude
> as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
> >>>
> most sophisticated offering yet
> >>>
> >>>
> options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades,
> most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to
> do so.
> >>>
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
> clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
> probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a
> market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new
> Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some
> extra excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on
> downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we
> could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in
> Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the
> predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with
> Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
> >>>
> >>>
> and the
> attachment is
> from Telekom
> Malaysia
> Berhad (TM).
> It is intended
> solely for the
> person to whom
> they are
> addressed and
> may be
> confidential
> and
> privileged. If
> you are not
> the intended
> recipient, you
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:38 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Zaiedishaq" zaiedishaq
Kesimpulannya Proton sekarang ngan dulu memang lain.
Lebih selamat cuma jangan lupa FASTEN YOUR SEAT BELT.
Kang tak meletup plak airbag..
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
> tak de kesimpulan. saya cuma membalas zaiedshaq :)
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> .....so ape kesimpulannye?
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> saya pun guna wira juga dulu.....beli used..... guna 6-7 tahun juga, habis
> hutang, jual. beli lain pula....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Zaiedishaq <zaiedishaq@gmail.com >
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:35 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje,
> jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit
> sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >wrote:
>
> **
>
> ...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa.........tu yg tahu
> perbezaannye..........harge pun lebih kurang sama je........
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>
> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com > <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
> harga.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
> Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
> *To:* automobil@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my >wrote:
>
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
> dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
> *From:* automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:-
> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant
> To Malaysians?
>
>
> *Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?*
> [image: Motor Trader Malaysia] <http://motortrader.com.my/ >By *Naveen
> Victor* | *Motor Trader Malaysia*
>
> <http://my.news.yahoo.com/photos/proton-still-relevant-malaysians-photo-084644368.html >
> Proton Gen 2
> *Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
> attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?*
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
> not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July
> 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We
> had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards
> becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/w7LU3Qv_UvP5pH_d395hAg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/278866_201107_06_pro-20130813-085018-231.jpg >
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
> (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
> sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5
> per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of
> the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
> Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
> per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
> In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
> countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>
> <http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/CYFB8KFIzXmJojtYvSyP4g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/430622_63746pro-DSC_2977rt-20130813-085019-363.jpg >
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a
> monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better
> future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as
> late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell
> 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
> one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
> Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
> undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
> have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew
> of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan
> Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over
> RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its
> price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800
> with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
> buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
> Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
> increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
> the other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
> 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no
> choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather
> have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
> than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude
> as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>
> <http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/K2uC0bbbtPdOAkh3OGfOgw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/Screen-Shot-2013-08-06-at-3.02.35-PM-20130813-085017-736.jpg >
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most
> sophisticated offering yet
>
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
> options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades,
> most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to
> do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
> clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
> probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>
> <http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lCIdKLhDysYvoDqNYHsanQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http:/media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/MotorTraderMalaysia/398349_62233-c-pro-20130813-085018-736.jpg >
> Proton's Saga of the future
>
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market
> that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé
> hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra
> excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward
> slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see
> Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia.
> Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride
> whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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Lebih selamat cuma jangan lupa FASTEN YOUR SEAT BELT.
Kang tak meletup plak airbag..
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
> tak de kesimpulan. saya cuma membalas zaiedshaq :)
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> .....so ape kesimpulannye?
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
>
> saya pun guna wira juga dulu.....beli used..... guna 6-7 tahun juga, habis
> hutang, jual. beli lain pula....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* Zaiedishaq <zaiedishaq@gmail.
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:35 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje,
> jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit
> sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
>
> **
>
> ...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa......
> perbezaannye.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@
>
> yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>
> On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri Ahtar wrote:
>
> saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a
> car....
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than
> proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.
>
> perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
> tapi lebih kecil.
>
> perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya
> harga.
>
> rgds,
> Nazri Ahtar
>
> ------------
> *From:* bashah <bwasi@yahoo.
> *To:* "automobil@yahoogrou
> *Cc:* "bwasi@yahoo.
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
> Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of
> Msian consumers.
> Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
> org tamak selalu rugi....
> tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>
>
> ------------
> *From:* Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@
> *To:* automobil@yahoogrou
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: www.groupautomobil.
> Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
> ....yes still relevant....
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.
>
>
> Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg
> dieksport.
> Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>
> *From:* automobil@yahoogrou
> Behalf Of *-:eSpAcE9808:
> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
> *To:* zzxmelayucyber
> *Subject:* www.groupautomobil.
> To Malaysians?
>
>
> *Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?*
> [image: Motor Trader Malaysia] <http://motortrader.
> Victor* | *Motor Trader Malaysia*
>
> <http://my.news.
> Proton Gen 2
> *Malaysia's national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to
> attract local buyers but does it mean they're in permanent decline?*
> Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said
> not all of it's bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July
> 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We
> had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards
> becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>
> <http://l1.yimg.
> Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>
> In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent
> of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV
> (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton
> sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5
> per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of
> the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales.
> Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60
> per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
> No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim
> reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still
> heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny.
> In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55
> countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
>
> <http://l.yimg.
> Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
> Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking
> considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a
> monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better
> future but one wonders if they're being overly ambitious. As recently as
> late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their
> aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell
> 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
> These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports,
> one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of
> Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
> Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton
> undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular
> have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew
> of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan
> Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over
> RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its
> price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800
> with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
> At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton
> buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton
> Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the
> increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies
> the other problem for Proton.
> Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly
> 20-years car buyers with a 'hard ceiling' of RM65,000 had little or no
> choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn't rather
> have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often
> than not, the buyer also came up against a 'take it or leave it' attitude
> as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
>
> <http://l3.yimg.
> Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company'
> sophisticated offering yet
>
> Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have
> options and you get an 'anything but Proton' attitude. It's not that
> Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but
> having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades,
> most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to
> do so.
> That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn't in the same
> predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest
> levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also
> clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is
> probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It's a sad
> admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that
> were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
>
> <http://l1.yimg.
> Proton's Saga of the future
>
> Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to
> Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market
> that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé
> hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra
> excitement for the brand but it's also clear to see sales are on downward
> slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see
> Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia.
> Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament,
> which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride
> whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:39 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Nazri Ahtar" littlenoti
eh....tak merajuk, cuma ngada2 bila lepas pasang NGV..... untunglah sapa yang beli.... saya lepaskan dengan harga RM8K dengan NGV. 1.5(A), tahun 97. sold tahun 2010 rasanya.
masa tu dah ada avanza + daihatsu charade CS.... no doubt daihatsu mmg jimat minyak... tapi wira lagi selesa utk jalan jauh. avanza wife guna.
millage masa lepaskan wira.....350K++. pernah sekali major overhaul.... masa 200K++ millage. masa tu tak pasang NGV lagi.... leaking luar tak teruk....tapi asap banyak.
Â
rgds,
Nazri Ahtar
________________________________
From: Zaiedishaq <zaiedishaq@gmail.com >
To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
Â
batteri flat tu.. pernah terkena. lepas tu kalau nak tinggal lama-lama kena bukak bateri la..
Â
Bro Nazri,
Wira bro dulu kuat merajuk tak? :D
Â
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:33 PM, <fuzzyinn@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Â
>Secara logiknya bateri la kena check dulu
>
>Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com >
>Sender: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:30:06
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>Reply-To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>bateri, fius blow..... ?
>Â
>rgds,
>Nazri Ahtar
>
>
>________________________________
>From: MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com >
>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:22 PM
>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>
>
>wira aku dah dekat sebulan tak jln.. masuk kunci takde api langsung.. bateri ke? tak sempat nak cek..
>
>On 28/08/2013 4:35 PM, Zaiedishaq wrote:
>
>Â
>>Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>Â
>>>...sy merasa pakai proton iswara dan perodua kelisa.........tu yg tahu perbezaannye..........harge pun lebih kurang sama je........
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM, MHZ <cekelatgetah@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>
>>>yg ada 5 star encap & 6 airbag tu reganya tak sama/lagi mahal..
>>>>
>>>>On 28/08/2013 9:03 AM, Nazri
>Ahtar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>saya tak rasa ada kreta perodua yg ada 5 star encap, dan 6 airbag in a car....
>>>>>Â
>>>>>rgds,
>>>>>Nazri Ahtar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 4:54 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Â
>>>>>..perodua walau rege sama dan mahal......quality is better than proton....no doubt.....sy dah rase 2-2 kete..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nazri Ahtar <littlenoti@yahoo.com > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>perodua murah ke ? myvi 1.3..... lebih kurang saga FL je kot.....
>>>>>>tapi lebih kecil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>perodua yg bebetul murah is viva je... lain macam tak berbaloi punya harga.
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>rgds,
>>>>>>Nazri Ahtar
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>> From: bashah <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>>>>To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com " <automobil@yahoogroups.com >
>>>>>>Cc: "bwasi@yahoo.com " <bwasi@yahoo.com >
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:55 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mcm artikel tu ckp..perodua aim at the lowest level / basic level of Msian consumers.
>>>>>>Gomen pun turut lingkupkan proton bila depa introduce Perodua..
>>>>>>org tamak selalu rugi....
>>>>>>tak perlu aku letak fakta, boleh pikir sendiri kot.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>> From: Sukri Farah <farah33sukri@gmail.com >
>>>>>>To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:20 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>....yes still relevant.........kalau harganye relevant...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ruslan Zakaria <zruslan@tm.com.my > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>>Memang masih releven, Cuma mohon samakan harga seperti harga yg dieksport.
>>>>>>>Negara pengeluar mahal daripada Negara yg dieksport.
>>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>>From:automobil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:automobil@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of -:eSpAcE9808:-
>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:55 PM
>>>>>>>To: zzxmelayucyber
>>>>>>>Subject: www.groupautomobil.blogspot.com - Fw: Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>>Is Proton Still Relevant To Malaysians?
>
>>>>>>>By Naveen Victor| Motor Trader MalaysiaÂ
>>>>>>>Â
>
>>>>>>>Proton Gen 2
>>>>>>>Malaysia’s national carmaker is finding it increasingly difficult to attract local buyers but does it mean they’re in permanent decline?
>>>>>>>Many Malaysians have a colourful history with Proton and it has to be said not all of it’s bad. When the original Proton Saga was launched on 9th July 1985 the feeling of national pride was palpable throughout the country. We had become a car-producing nation and it would be our springboard towards becoming an industrialised nation. Where are those dreams now?
>
>>>>>>>Proton Wira also known as the Persona in the UK
>>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>>In 2002, Proton sold 214,985 vehicles and accounted for 49.43 per cent of total vehicle sales in Malaysia. In 2012, despite Malaysia having a TIV (Total Industry Volume) of 627,753 units (up from 434,954 in 2002) Proton sold just 141,121 vehicles, which accounted for a market share of just 22.5 per cent. In contrast, Perodua sold 189,137 cars for over 30 per cent of the overall market while Toyota continued to grow with 105,151 sales. Incidentally, the Japanese brand managed just 27,355 sales in 2002 with 60 per cent of those being commercial vehicle sales.
>>>>>>>No matter how you look at them, the numbers make for some pretty grim reading. Despite having 28 years of history behind it Proton is still heavily reliant on the Malaysian car buyer, as export numbers remain tiny. In 2012 only about 20,000 Protons were sold outside of Malaysia in 55 countries, which makes them a tiny niche brand in most markets.
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>>>>>>>Proton replaced its family sedan, the Proton Persona with the Prevé
>>>>>>>Proton is aware of its failings and to their credit, are taking considerable steps to reenergise the brand. New owners DRB-Hicom have had a monumental task to clean out old regimes and systems and plan for a better future but one wonders if they’re being overly ambitious. As recently as late June 2013, Proton Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil stated that their aim was to reclaim sales leadership in Malaysia within two years and sell 500,000 cars a year globally within the next five years.
>>>>>>>These are very aggressive numbers and despite a renewed focus on exports, one wonders if Proton will eventually lose the hearts and wallets of Malaysian buyers. Evidence of this already happening is wide spread.
>>>>>>>Aside from the continued strength of Perodua, the biggest threat to Proton undoubtedly comes Japanese and Korean brands. The Japanese in particular have taken ASEAN production and localisation to heart coming up with a slew of products at ever-smaller price tags. It started slow but the Nissan Almera got things really rolling in 2012 with a starting price of just over RM66,000. Then Suzuki started locally assembling the all-new Swift and its price dropped to RM65,888 while Honda shocked everyone with the RM74,800 with insurance price tag of the CKD Jazz.
>>>>>>>At a stroke cars from Japanese brands were now within the reach of Proton buyers and though there was a still a premium to be paid (a basic Proton Prevé manual starts at less than RM60,000) those who could afford the increased monthly payments were only too eager to jump ship. There in lies the other problem for Proton.
>>>>>>>Due to the favourable taxation structures previously employed, for nearly 20-years car buyers with a ‘hard ceiling’ of RM65,000 had little or no choice. If you wanted a new car for that money (and who wouldn’t rather have new over used?) then you had to visit the Proton dealer. More often than not, the buyer also came up against a ‘take it or leave it’ attitude as salesmen could always find a buyer for cars in odd or unfavourable spec.
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>>>>>>>Proton's latest family sedan, the Prevé is probably the company's most sophisticated offering yet
>>>>>>>Â
>>>>>>>Put those buyers into a market situation where they suddenly have options and you get an ‘anything but Proton’ attitude. It’s not that Malaysians are anti national cars, anti-Proton or even pro-Japanese but having been force fed a steady diet of Protons and Peroduas for decades, most just want to buy from a different brand and now they have a chance to do so.
>>>>>>>That being the case, some may wonder why Perodua isn’t in the same predicament and the simple answer is that they are in the very lowest levels of the market where cars are bought as basic transport. Its also clear Malaysians have a more favourable opinion of Perodua, which is probably due to the Toyota/Daihatsu spin-offs they sell. It’s a sad admission to make but the very best Proton cars have always been those that were re-badged efforts rather than something they designed in-house.
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>>>>>>>Proton's Saga of the future
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>>>>>>>Which brings us back to the main question. Is Proton still relevant to Malaysians? For the first half of 2013, Proton sold 64,782 cars in a market that grew 4.1 per cent over the same period on 2012. There is a new Prevé hatchback due in September this year, which should help create some extra excitement for the brand but it’s also clear to see sales are on downward slope. Instead of claiming market leadership in two years, we could see Proton replaced by Toyota as the second most popular brand in Malaysia. Unless something happens soon, there is no real way out of the predicament, which is a shame because back in 1985 my heart filled with Malaysian pride whenever I saw a Proton Saga.
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masa tu dah ada avanza + daihatsu charade CS.... no doubt daihatsu mmg jimat minyak... tapi wira lagi selesa utk jalan jauh. avanza wife guna.
millage masa lepaskan wira.....350K+
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batteri flat tu.. pernah terkena. lepas tu kalau nak tinggal lama-lama kena bukak bateri la..
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Bro Nazri,
Wira bro dulu kuat merajuk tak? :D
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>Secara logiknya bateri la kena check dulu
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>wira aku dah dekat sebulan tak jln.. masuk kunci takde api langsung.. bateri ke? tak sempat nak cek..
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>>Saya still guna Wira.. saya pun sayang Proton saya cuma pantang dia 1 aje, jangan sebut pasal nak jual Wira tu dalam kereta. kalau tak mula la sakit sana la sakit sini la, leaking la demam la.. Pandai merajuk kereta ni.. hehe
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