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Fw: A new kind of theft in Malaysia

Posted by: "- eSpAcE 9808 -" rienacom@yahoo.com.sg   rienacom

Thu May 6, 2010 7:32 pm (PDT)



----- Original Message -----
From: Faiza 318

Subject: A new kind of theft in Malaysia

A genuine message posted by a law firm in Malaysia.
If you're going to KL, take note!
PUSH-POCKET IN KUALA LUMPUR

I am sure you all have heard of 'pick pocket'.
A new trend 'push pocket'.
Read on.. for your own good

A few days ago a new type of crime has surfaced in town.
It goes something like this:-
Somebody slips a hand-phone into your pocket,
sometimes it could be just a wallet with
an identity card and a few ringgit.

A few minutes later, the 'owner' comes up
and confronts you, the 'thief '.
He makes a big commotion that you stole his stuff.

You, caught unaware, are then pulled aside by the
'owner' for a settlement. You are intimidated and threatened
that if you do not pay up the police will be brought in.
If you pay up, this 'owner' lets you go.
If not, the police are brought in.

Another strange thing is that there always seems
to be a 'witness' to your 'theft'.

I am told this often happens to foreigners at
the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA)
or even at LRT trains.
Given that you're 'guilty until proven innocent'
as far as t he Malaysian police are concerned,
I understand some poor people are in jail for
these 'offences'.

At the KLIA, the 'owner' throws his hand-phone and
wallet with the few ringgit notes into the luggage
trolley of a just arrived passenger.
The drama unfolds a few minutes later.
The real culprit has easily convinced our Malaysian police
to arrest the real victim (if he has not paid up the 'settlement' demand).
This is a very serious matter.

This is another form of extortionists operating in broad daylight.
They are disgusting criminals who will do anything
to rob and steal. The sickening part of the whole
scenario is that unless you pay the 'quoted settlement' money,
they will put you in real trouble by calling the police.

The real culprit gets back his hand-phone
and wallet but the real victim ( i.e. could be any one of us)
is thrown into the police lock up and charged in court.

So do be very careful,
otherwise you may end up as a 'thief'
as you have no way to prove your innocenc

Pass it on.....
let more people be aware
of such things around them.
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Fw: Nak tahu punca banyak kereta terbakar sekarang ?

Posted by: "- eSpAcE 9808 -" rienacom@yahoo.com.sg   rienacom

Thu May 6, 2010 7:32 pm (PDT)





----- Original Message -----
From: "Rozmal bin Malakan" <rozmal@yahoo.com>
Nak tahu punca banyak kereta terbakar sekarang ?

Semakin hari semakin banyak kereta yang terbakar. Terbaru kes kereta MPV di Ipoh pada 5 Mei 2010 , tiba-tiba terbakar ketika sedang dibaiki.

Nak tahu antara kemungkinan punca kebakaran kereta , sila ke pautan berikut http://waghih.blogspot.com/2010/05/nak-tahu-punca-banyak-kereta-terbakar.html

Agak-agaknya lah kan ada tak agensi kerajaan di Malaysia atau mana-mana universiti di Malaysia yang buat kajian kebakaran kereta yang banyak sekarang ini ?

Boring agaknya tajuk kereta terbakar ini. Cerita artis, politik, liwat, dadah, hiburan, lompat parti, APCO, John Wolfowitz, NED dan lain-lain lagi best agaknye.

Statistik di Amerika Syarikat ialah satu dari empat kes kebakaran ialah kebakaran kereta. Dan satu dari lapan kematian disebabkan oleh kebakaran kereta.

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KERETA TERBAKAR SEMASA DIBAIKI
Rabu Mei 5, 2010

IPOH: Seorang wanita terpaksa berputih mata menyaksikan kereta Toyota Estima miliknya hangus di depan mata semasa ia sedang dibaiki oleh seorang mekanik hari ini.

Norlaila Zakaria, 34, bagaimanapun bersyukur kerana kenderaannya itu tidak terbakar semasa sedang dipandu.

"Kejadian berlaku begitu pantas namun mujurlah ia tidak terbakar semasa saya sedang memandu," katanya kepada pemberita di tempat kejadian di Jalan Simpang Pulai-Ipoh kira-kira pukul 11.45 pagi tadi.

Beliau berkata sebelum kejadian itu, enjin kenderaannya tiba-tiba berhenti mengejut.

"Selepas lebih 10 minit, ada mekanik datang membantu untuk menghidupkan semula kereta tetapi percikan api keluar di bahagian depan dan tidak sampai beberapa saat kemudian, api mulai marak," katanya.

Norlaila berkata mekanik terbabit berusaha memadamkan kebakaran itu menggunakan alat pemadam apai tetapi tidak berjaya.

Kejadian itu menyebabkan kesesakan lalu lintas lebih 20 minit sebelum pasukan dari Balai Bomba dan Penyelamat Simpang Pulai tiba untuk memadamkan api. -

http://www.mstar.com.my/berita/jenayah/cerita.asp?file=/2010/5/5/mstar_jenayah/20100505202927&sec=mstar_jenayah

APA YANG HARUS DILAKUKAN SEKIRANYA KERETA TERBAKAR :
- Jika sedang memandu, berhentikan kereta di sebelah kiri jalan atau di laluan kecemasan
- Matikan enjin kereta
- Segera keluar dari kereta
- Hubungi pihak bomba
- Jangan cuba pada api yang sedang marak dengan alat pemadam api kerana alat pemadam api pada kereta terlalu kecil untuk memadam api yang sedang marak

Automotive fire safety
Today is the fifth anniversary of one of the deadliest fires in US history. On February 20, 2003, the Station Nightclub was destroyed by flames after pyrotechnics ignited insulation during a concert by the band Great White.

The fireworks were illegal. The flammable insulation installed by club owners Michael and Jeffrey Derderian was illegal. The club's occupancy was set too high by West Warwick fire officials and illegally exceeded by club management. Fire protection systems that were required by law were not in place- nor did the owners carry the mandatory worker's comp insurance for their employees.

The Derderians took several calculated risks as club owners. In their quest to save money, they installed foam sound insulation that Jeffrey Derderian himself once referred to as, "solid gasoline." That and other cost-cutting measures contributed to a major disaster. Within three minutes of the start of the fire, the Station Nightclub was completely destroyed. The final toll left 100 dead and more than 270 people were injured.

Today, Rhode Island is considered to be the safest state in the US- with the most stringent fire codes. It comes much too late and at too high a cost. Those 100 dead were working-class folks- sons, daughters, husbands, wives, fathers and mothers. Many of the injured have been permanently disfigured in the prime of their lives.

For the sake of all who were involved on that tragic night, let's not wait for disaster to make us aware of danger. With that in mind, here is part one in my series concerning car fire safety and prevention.

Please take the time to help those who continue to suffer because of the Station Fire. There has been no payment to the injured or to the widows, widowers, orphans and parents of the deceased. Traditionally, settlements from this type of disaster tend to be minute compared to legal and medical bills that have been growing for five years.

What to do in case of car fires
Car fire represents a real and often overlooked threat. People tend to underestimate the intensity of a car fire and place themselves in danger. A car fire may start in a situation that is already dangerous- either driving down a highway or stuck in traffic. Car fires pose a threat of spreading to surrounding structures- often the vehicle will be enclosed within a garage or other parking structure. There have even been major disasters involving car fires in tunnels.

In fact, one in every four fires is a car fire and one in every eight fire deaths are caused by car fires. Each year, car fires alone kill 550 people and injure 3,300 more. There are more than a quarter of a million car fires annually- and the number is rising. Here are some basic steps you and your passengers need to be aware of in the event of a car fire.

1.. If you are in a moving vehicle, move into the right breakdown lane if possible. You want to be able to get out of the car safely- without having to worry about oncoming traffic. Don't forget to use turn signals- getting into an accident in a burning car will not help anyone.
2.. Once in the breakdown lane, or if you are stopped in traffic, stop the car and turn off the engine. This will stop the vehicle from pumping fuel onto the fire and it will disengage most electrical systems.
3.. Get yourself and all passengers out of the vehicle as quickly as possible.
4.. Get away from the car! Nothing you have in the car is worth being killed or disfigured over! Time and again, people will desperately try to salvage "important" items from the trunk or passenger compartments while the engine is burning. The risks are greater than you think!
5.. Warn oncoming traffic and pedestrians and contact the fire department. Never attempt to put out the flames yourself!
It is imperative that you move away from a burning car because of the great number of dangers associated with it. The obvious (though unlikely) reason is the gas tank. It is rare, but a fire can cause a gas tank to explode. It is more likely that other parts of the car may potentially explode.

Tires may pop explosively, sending burning rubber through the air like napalm; the battery can explode with shrapnel and acid. The fire may cause air bags to deploy, injuring anyone in the way when they go off. Of course, there can be smaller explosions as well, throwing shrapnel, scalding oil and radiator fluid and burning plastic at anyone close by.

Flames may suddenly shoot upwards of ten feet from the car itself as combustible materials ignite. Along with the flames, oils, acids and burning gasoline comes a wide array of noxious fumes. Burning fluids, rubber, plastics and upholstery will unleash a toxic chemical cloud that will cause nearly instant lung damage. It is this toxic cloud that is responsible for most deaths. Another airborne threat is carbon monoxide- odorless, colorless and lethal. Meanwhile, the enclosed area of the vehicle can quickly reach temperatures over 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit.

Do not attempt to put out a car fire with a fire extinguisher. To use the extinguisher, you must be close to the car- and many fire extinguishers commonly found in cars are too small to put out a car fire. All you end up doing is putting yourself in harms way in a futile attempt to stop the inevitable. Even firefighters in full gear and equipment will have difficulty putting out a car fire. Some models are even considered so dangerous that firemen will secure the area and allow the car to burn itself out if possible.

Coming up: I'll look into the causes of car fires and how you can prevent them. I'll be exploring the automotive industry's response to the problem, from Pintos to present. Finally, I'll explore Toyota's role in fire safety today.

Sumber : http://www.toyoland.com/toyota/financials/fire-safety.html

APAKAH PUNCA KERETA TERBAKAR :
- Kebanyakan kebakaran kereta bermula dari ruangan enjin
- Kebanyakan kebakaran kereta bukan disebabkan oleh kecacatan kejuruteraan - tetapi disebabkan oleh penyenggaraan yang lemah
- Tapi punca sebenar kebanyakan kereta terbakar tidaklah diketahui
- Sebarang kebocoran pada hos dan pam boleh menyebabkan pengaliran cecair mudah terbakar pada enjin blok yang panas atau sistem elektrik
- Bendasing yang terkumpul pada bahagian panas enjin dan sistem ekzos juga boleh menyebabkan kebakaran seperti daun dan rumput kering
- Puntung rokok juga boleh menyebabkan kebakaran kereta
- Bahan mudah terbakar yang diletak tempat simpanan belakang kereta juga boleh menyebabkan kebakaran
- Kecacatan rekabentuk tangki minyak Ford Pinto boleh menyebabkan ianya meletup jika dirempuh dari belakang
- Kecacatan sistem cruise control Ford juga boleh menyebabkan kebakaran walaupun setelah enjin dimatikan
- Tangki sisi trak GM juga mempunyai rekod kemalangan kebakaran yang tinggi
- Kereta Lexus pada tahun 2007 mempunyai kemungkinan keretakan pada paip minyak
Automotive fire safety - part 2 - causes of car fires
In memory of the fifth anniversary of the Station Nightclub fire in West Warwick, RI that claimed 100 lives and injured more than 270 others, John Brennan is writing a series of articles designed to increase car fire safety awareness. Today, he explores the causes of car fires. Preventing fire may is the most important step in protecting property- and more importantly, life.

What causes car fires?

In most accidental fires, the fire begins in the engine compartment. A firewall is designed to offer some protection to the passenger compartment; it is intended only to give passengers a chance to escape. It does not protect them against noxious fumes or the explosions and the resulting shrapnel. Ultimately, the intense heat will cause a flashover and the fire will spread to the passenger compartment.

Most vehicle fires are not caused by engineering defects- they are caused by poor maintenance. Still, the cause of most car fires may never really be known. The intensity of the blaze tends to destroy evidence of its cause. Most car fires are not investigated - the debris is cleared from the roadway and the fire department makes an educated guess about the cause.

There are about half a dozen flammable liquids associated with a vehicle. There are an additional number of flammable solids, or "solid propellants," that contribute to fire. There are, depending on the vehicle, any number of hoses and pumps that move flammable materials past hot areas of the engine. Any leak in a hose or pump can pour flammable liquids onto the hot engine block or electrical systems- resulting in a fire.

There can be other factors that come into play in an accidental vehicle fire. Debris may accumulate around hot areas on a vehicle. There have been instances where animals have been to blame- squirrels hoarding nuts in an engine or birds building a nest there. A Greensboro, NC Police Officer lost his cruiser to a fire caused by parking on dry leaves while responding to a robbery investigation. The heat from his catalytic converter is believed to be the cause of that fire.

Even a moving vehicle can catch fire if leaves or other flammable debris have managed to accumulate on the catalytic converter. In burning pollution from the exhaust, the converter can reach temperatures of 550° Fahrenheit- more than enough to ignite cloth, paper, leaves or other debris. I have seen cases where debris was blown under the car and lodged into the space above the converter. I have also seen off road vehicles pick up debris that dried out and caught fire.

Other causes of accidental fire are the same as one would expect in a case of a house fire. Driver error (sometimes stupidity) can contribute to a fire. A cab company once lost several vehicles when an employee playing with fireworks accidentally started a multi-car fire. Other car fires have started when people have dropped burning things into cars- cigarettes are a frequent culprit. Fires may start among items stored in a trunk that become ignited for a variety of reasons.

Ford Pinto Gets Glowing Reviews
Occasionally, a design defect can cause or contribute to a car fire. The most famous case is, of course, the Ford Pinto. Early on, Ford realized that the Pinto's design could cause the gas tank to ignite in a rear-end collision. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) had set a $200,000 value on human life - a figure that the auto industry would use to budget lawsuits. Using this figure, Ford also calculated a $67,000 value for each severe burn victim.

Ford estimated that the defect would be responsible for 2,100 car fires, killing 180 people and severely burning another 180 people - costing Ford $49.5 million. Fixing the defect would cost $11 per vehicle, for a total of $137 million. Ford chose not to recall the Pinto- financially, 180 deaths was ruled to be the more cost-effective option. In reality, an estimated 500-900 deaths resulted from the defect. Partly that was due to a second defect that Ford engineers were aware of - in a rear-end collision at 40 mph, the car doors would likely jam shut, trapping occupants inside the burning vehicle.

The company did not include safety as part of the objectives of the Pinto's design. Lee Iacocca, who was president of Ford during the design of the Pinto, said, "Safety doesn't sell." Neither does the advertising tag line for the Pinto (withdrawn as the controversy became public), "Pinto leaves you with that warm feeling."

Ford has also had other problems with defects leading to fires - notably a defect with a cruise control cut-off switch. The switch can cause fires under the hood even if a vehicle has been parked for a while. This defect has caused multiple recalls of Ford vehicles. In 2007, Ford recalled 16 different models, or 3.6 million vehicles for the defect, bringing the total number of vehicles recalled by Ford for the same problem to 10.5 million since 1999. In January 2008, ConsumerAffairs.com reported that five months after the 2007 recall, there were still 1.8 million vehicles at risk.

On February 4, 2008, Ford issued a second recall on 225,000 vehicles because the repairs made during the first recall were ineffective at preventing a fire. The recall is scheduled to begin in March when Ford dealers will replace the fuel rail assembly in the (again) affected vehicles.

Ford is not alone. In the last six months alone, dozens of individual recall notices affecting hundreds of thousands of vehicles have been issued regarding fire safety concerns- and that number excludes the 3.6 million Fords recalled over fire safety. Ford is also not the only manufacturer to sacrifice fire safety for profit.

GM Produces a Bomb of Its Own
A "value analysis" study was conducted at GM by engineer Edward Ivey in 1973, as he worked for GM to determine the cost of fuel-fed fires. His results showed that GM would be able to save $2.20 per vehicle if it could prevent fuel-fed fires in all crashes. Ivey's memo attempts to temper the cold analysis with some degree of humanity, "it is really impossible to put a value on human life. This analysis tried to do so in an objective manner but a human fatality is really beyond value, subjectively."

Notwithstanding the humanity of Ivey's closing remarks, the Ivey memo became the basis for budgeting fire safety at GM. Veteran GM engineer Ronald Elwell spelled it out during testimony at a trial involving a fatal fire in a 1985 Chevy S-10 Blazer, "Value analysis says all we have got is $2.20 to play with, if you will. We can either put that money in a fuel tank, put that money in a fuel pump, put that money in a fuel line, but, in our opinion, in order to save these people from dying, we can only put $2.20 into the new cars."

GM's decision to sell side-saddle fuel tanks in 10 million trucks between 1973 and 1991 is perhaps the worst crash-fire defect in the history of the US Department of Transportation. More than 1,800 people were killed in fire-crashes in these vehicles between 1973 and 2000. As a result of the Ivey memo, GM management refused to install safety devices that would have saved lives - but would have cost more than $2.20 per vehicle. During a deposition, Ivey was asked if there was a worse location for a gas tank than the side-saddle configuration. He responded, "Well, yes.You could put it on the front bumper."

On April 9, 1993, the NHTSA called on GM to voluntarily recall vehicles with side-saddle fuel tanks. In its response, GM wrote, "General Motors continues to believe that its 1973-87 C/K trucks are neither defective nor contribute to increased injuries or fatalities. Consequently no safety recall of them is necessary." Eventually, an agreement was arranged that allowed GM to avoid a costly recall or compensation for people who own the affected vehicles. Under tremendous political pressure from all three major American auto manufacturers, the NHSTA reversed its recall notice in exchange for a promise from GM to spend $51 million on alternative safety programs. As a result, it is estimated that no less than 5 million of the vehicles are still on the road today.

Still a Danger
Every major manufacturer has had recalls regarding potential fire hazards. Last year, Chrysler recalled 500,000 Dodge Durango SUVs after 66 fires were reported (no injuries were reported with these fires.) Toyota's most recent fire safety recall came in November, 2007, when it recalled 34,400 2006 Lexus GS 300, IS 250 and IS 350 models in the US due to potential cracks in fuel pipes. No fires have been associated with the Toyota recall.

Yet, in spite of all of the defects that can lead to a fire in a car, most fires are still caused by poor maintenance. Your best bet at preventing a fire is to keep the vehicle properly maintained. Check periodically to make sure that your vehicle is not part of a recall. Most importantly, know what to do in case of fire.

Sumber : http://www.toyoland.com/toyota/financials/engine-fires.html

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Punca kereta terbakar

Oleh MEGAT LUTFI MEGAT RAHIM
Sebanyak 45 peratus akibat pengubahsuaian enjin kenderaan yang ekstrem.

KEBAKARAN boleh berlaku di mana-mana sahaja.

SAYA tidak ingat apa-apa kecuali jeritan Allahuakhbar suami sebelum saya tercampak keluar menerusi cermin depan bersama anak kedua yang saya peluk erat.

"Dalam keadaan separuh sedar, saya cuba meminta tolong daripada orang ramai supaya selamatkan suami dan seorang lagi anak saya yang berada di dalam kereta yang terbakar."

Begitulah cerita Rohana Ahmad, 26, yang kehilangan suami, Lans Koperal Mohd. Azni Abdul Aziz, 29, dan anak sulung, Mohd. Norakmal Danial, 6, dalam kemalangan di Kilometer 270.9 Lebuh Raya Utara-Selatan arah utara di Seremban, Negeri Sembilan pada 2 Disember 2008.

Suaminya, arwah Mohd. Azni yang bertugas di cawangan kereta Peronda di Ibu Pejabat Polis Daerah Shah Alam dan Mohd. Norakmal meninggal dunia dengan tubuh separuh terbakar di dalam kereta Proton Perdana V6 yang mereka naiki.

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Sebelum itu, keluarga ini dalam perjalanan pulang ke kediaman mereka di Seksyen 20, Shah Alam.

"Kami bercuti selama empat hari di rumah mertua saya di Felda Sungai Emas, Kota Tinggi, Johor. Selepas balik ke Shah Alam, kami bercadang untuk pulang ke kampung saya di Bota Kanan, Perak pada sebelah malam," katanya.

Mengimbau kembali kenangan hitam itu, kata Rohana, kereta yang dipandu suaminya hilang kawalan setelah mereka terkejut melihat satu kemalangan lain di depan. Gagal mengelak, kereta mereka merempuh kereta-kereta yang terlibat lebih awal dalam kemalangan itu.

"Selepas itu kami merempuh pembahagi jalan sebelah kanan sebelum dirempuh kereta Proton Waja dari arah belakang. Akibatnya kereta kami terbakar," kongsi Rohana.

Kes meningkat setiap tahun

Menurut Ketua Cawangan Pengurusan Operasi Jabatan Kebakaran, Jabatan Bomba dan Penyelamat Malaysia, Yahaya Madis, kes yang melibatkan kereta terbakar di negara ini meningkat setiap tahun.

"Untuk rekod, pada tahun 2008 terdapat 2,101 kes melibatkan kebakaran kereta di seluruh negara berbanding 2,052 kes pada tahun sebelumnya. Pada tahun 2006 pula sebanyak 1,811 kes dicatatkan.

"Jika melihat kepada bilangan kes, ia meningkat setiap tahun. Walaupun peningkatannya tidak mendadak, ia perlu diberi perhatian serius kerana ia melibatkan nyawa," katanya.

Ujarnya lagi, punca utama kebakaran kereta disebabkan oleh kemalangan iaitu pelanggaran kereta dengan kereta atau jentera berat lain. Selain itu, kebocoran minyak petrol juga menjadi punca.

Menyentuh mengenai lokasi kejadian, Tuan Yahaya tidak dapat memberi penjelasan yang spesifik kerana kemalangan yang melibatkan kebakaran kereta boleh berlaku di mana-mana sahaja sama ada di lebuh raya, jalan persekutuan mahupun jalan kampung.

"Tetapi peratusan kes kemalangan kebakaran kereta yang menyebabkan kematian tidak tinggi. Namun saya menasihatkan setiap pemilik kereta persendirian supaya menyimpan alat pemadam api di dalam kenderaan masing-masing sebagai langkah keselamatan.

"Bukan mahal, beli alat pemadam api jenis natrium hidrogen karbonat/amonium sulfat seberat tiga kilogram pada harga antara RM60 hingga RM80.

"Situasi mungkin panik tetapi sekiranya kita bertindak pantas ia dapat menyelamatkan jiwa dan juga harta seseorang," ujarnya.

Ubahsuai supaya lebih laju

Mohd. Nizam Abrahim, 32, seorang mekanik yang berpengalaman selama lebih 10 tahun dalam membaiki dan mengubahsuai kereta berpendapat, 45 peratus kereta terbakar disebabkan oleh pengubahsuaian enjin yang melampau.

Realitinya ramai pemilik kereta di negara ini yang gemar mengubahsuai enjin kereta untuk membuatkan kenderaan mereka lebih laju.

"Malangnya ramai yang tidak sedar pengubahsuaian yang keterlaluan tanpa mengikut spesifikasi asal serta kemampuan enjin kenderaan boleh menyebabkan kereta terbakar," ujarnya yang bekerja di sebuah bengkel kereta di Cheras, Kuala Lumpur.

KEMALANGAN turut menjadi punca kereta terbakar.

Katanya lagi, walaupun sekadar perubahan paip enjin sebanyak 30 darjah daripada kedudukan asal, ia mampu memberi impak buruk kepada enjin.

Bahagian enjin boleh menjadi panas secara tiba-tiba kerana sistem pengaliran bendalir tidak sempurna selain masalah sistem elektrik dan hidraulik yang boleh menyebabkan kereta terbakar.

"Namun, penambahan aksesori seperti lampu, radio, pembesar suara dan pedingin hawa, risiko kereta terbakar tidak begitu besar berbanding pengubahsuaian melampau enjin dan faktor kemalangan sendiri," kata Mohd. Nizam yang mengendalikan kira-kira empat kes kereta terbakar dalam setahun.

Sumber : http://www.kosmo.com.my/kosmo/content.asp?y=2009&dt=0823&pub=Kosmo&sec=Rencana_Utama&pg=ru_05.htm

Dicatat oleh Den
3.

paper shredder punya kes.

Posted by: "Nazri Ahtar" littlenoti@yahoo.com   littlenoti

Thu May 6, 2010 7:33 pm (PDT)

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Salam,
terpulang pada tokmod utk pelepasan.
pesanan ikhlas - berhati2 senantiasa. gambar disertakan dari email saudara saya. which dia pun fwd dari orang lain. gambar disertakan selepas tangan orang tersebut termasuk dalam paper shredder sebab dia cuba utk tarik document yang masuk dalam tu. sedar2 tangan masuk sama.
rgds,Nazri Ahtar

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