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Re: Bincang Psl Myk Sawit

Posted by: "rahmat_gwsb" rahmat_gwsb@yahoo.com   rahmat_gwsb

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:31 am (PDT)



salam semua,

saya penah btanya kat pomen saya, katanya minyak masak ni tak berapa sesuai kpd engine sbb suhu takat bekunya rendah, jadi kalau suhu sejuk minyak tu akan jadi tepu / likat (hampir mcm keadaan PLANTA), so kalau pagi2 nak start keta atau kita drive ke tempat2 tinggi ( Genting / Cameron Highlands) mau tak leh start keta nanti. Lagi satu, minyak masak ni nipis, brgkali leh buat engine (piston & blok) jadi haus. Tu kata pomen saya la, kalau ada otai2 nak betulkan harap bagi komen. Sekadar pendapat...
Tima kasih dan maaf kalo terkasar bahase...

--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, sidin@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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> hide ID, tok mod.
>
> Agak2nya, kelikatan inyak masak ni berapa ye?
> tgk mcm lagi cair dari 20W50 je..
> xpe ke kalau enjin lama2 pakai minyak nipis?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: automobil@yahoogroups.com on behalf of mazlan
> Sent: Fri 6/5/2009 10:07 AM
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
>
> Assalamualaikum,
> Saya pun sama, pakai Myk Visawit, murah lagi menjimatkan. Engin pun rasa
> ringan je...cubalah.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: moderator_bertugas
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:45 AM- Mazlan
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
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>
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> Salam bro..
>
> Kawan2 kita tu duk citer psl myk petrol.
>
> Kalau nak iklan sila buat tajuk sendiri. InsyaAllah saya akan siarkan.
> Myk motor EX5 sy pakai Brand Seri Murni (2x pemeringkatan) hehehehe
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, Muhammad Rahmat <rahmat_gwsb@> wrote:
> >
> > salam semua warga automobil
> >
> > kalau pasal minyak engine keta dgn moto, gunalah ELF. Hanya dijual oleh
> agen Amway sahaja. Kalau nak beli, email saya ye.
> > tima kasih.
> >
> > Regards,
> > rahmat
> >
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Re: Bincang Psl Myk Sawit

Posted by: "mohdmat" kedai_tayar@yahoo.com   kedai_tayar

Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:42 pm (PDT)



salam. nk pakai minyak apa pun utk engine oil, first sekali kena compare property minyak tu. klu property meets engine reqirement, pakai la. minyak lintah pun bole gak klu meets the requirement. engine oil utk keta tu penting function dia. byk benda nk kena compare- bukan sekadar kelikatan je. e.g. flash pt, TBN, NOACK volatility,etc. setakat yg saya tau, x dak lagi org yg buat research palm oil utk minyak engine tapi klu palm oil utk ganti diesel oil or biodiesel ada la. mungkin gomen bole buat research pasal benda ni. klu nk measure kelikatan tu pun ada caranya "The viscosity index is a measure of how much the oil's viscosity changes as temperature changes" from wikipedia. mekanik ni kdg2 bagi info yg "kurang" reliable. semalam saya pun tanya mekanik pasal minyak masak ni. dia kata utk engine keta x leh pakai tapi utk engine mesin bole la. klu nk confirm kena tanya engineer petronas yg buat research syntium tu. or diaorang x nk bagi tau sbb nanti x dak
org nk beli syntium lagi. brader kita kat bawah ni kata, "temp ada low"- ni saya rasa mushkil sikit (correct me). temp level ni bukan ka di setkan oleh thermostat? anyway, sapa nk cuba nk buat experiment tu bole la, tapi klu saya x berani la sbb keta saya engine dia mahal nk repair klu jadi apa2.

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From: mazlan <mazlan@century-chemical.com>
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:33 PM

Bagus tip yg saudara berikan bagi pengunaan Myk Vesawit kat kereta. Kalau kat motor macammana pulak ye?
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mohd Suhaimi Jamil
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 11:26 AM- Mazlan
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Salam Geng2 Semua...

Kalau nak guna minyak Vesawit untuk ganti minyak hitam, ni ada tips nye...

Mula2 tukar, mesti tukar filter sekali. Guna dua minggu pastu sebaiknya tukar lagi, buang minyak vesawit lama tu pastu masuk yang baru.. Sebaiknya filter pun tukar sama. Pastu kalau nak ok boleh lah tukar sebulan sekali, tapi filter x semestinyer. .. kereta saya saga, 5kg tu guna separuh botol jer. Pomen tempat saya tukar tu ada buat perbezaan kelikatan. Dia bandingkan minyak Petronas Sintetik yg harga kat Rm200, dgn minyak hitam biasa harga RM30 dan Vesawit. Kelikatan Vesawit sama dgn Petronas punya.. Anda semua pun boleh cuba sendiri.

Satu perkara yg saya perati pas guna Vesawit ni, temp ada low, enjin ada senyap dan smooth. Setakat ni ok...

--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, "mazlan" <mazlan@...> wrote:
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> Assalamualaikum,
> Saya pun sama, pakai Myk Visawit, murah lagi menjimatkan. Engin pun rasa ringan je...cubalah.
>
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> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:45 AM- Mazlan
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
>
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>
>
>
> Salam bro..
>
> Kawan2 kita tu duk citer psl myk petrol.
>
> Kalau nak iklan sila buat tajuk sendiri. InsyaAllah saya akan siarkan.
> Myk motor EX5 sy pakai Brand Seri Murni (2x pemeringkatan) hehehehe
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, Muhammad Rahmat <rahmat_gwsb@ > wrote:
> >
> > salam semua warga automobil
> >
> > kalau pasal minyak engine keta dgn moto, gunalah ELF. Hanya dijual oleh agen Amway sahaja. Kalau nak beli, email saya ye.
> > tima kasih.
> >
> > Regards,
> > rahmat
> >
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Re: Bincang Psl Myk Sawit

Posted by: "Kamarul" b.kamarl@sem.sharp-world.com

Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:58 pm (PDT)



Salam,

difinisi thermostat dari web www.automotivesrepair.com

Thermostat

Definition: A valve, located in the cooling system of an engine, which is closed when cold and opens gradually in response to engine heating, controlling the temperature of the coolant and rate of coolant flow.

Dan dari:

Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: thermostat
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Device that detects temperature changes for the purpose of maintaining the temperature of an enclosed area essentially constant. The thermostat generates signals, usually electrical, to activate relays, valves, switches, and so on when the temperature rises above or falls below the desired value. Thermostats are used to control the flow of fuel to a burner, of electric current to a heating or cooling unit, or of a heated or cooled gas or liquid into the area it serves. They are also used in fire-detection warning systems.
For more information on thermostat, visit Britannica.com.

pada pemahamnan saya thermostat gunanya utk mengawal suhu enjin supaya berada pada range suhu tertentu.

contohnya katakan enjin kereta function dgn baik pada suhu 60 ke 80 C.

bila pakai minyak hitam suhu enjin 79 C

bila pakai vesawit 70 C ...aliran air sistem cooling masih seperti biasa

bila turun rendah sangat cthnya 59 C maka thermestot berfungsi ...aliran air cooling sistem akan dikecilkan supaya enjin temp naik ke julat suhu yg. mengikut spec.enjin kereta.

terima kasih.

----- Original Message -----
From: mohdmat
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Bincang Psl Myk Sawit

salam. nk pakai minyak apa pun utk engine oil, first sekali kena compare property minyak tu. klu property meets engine reqirement, pakai la. minyak lintah pun bole gak klu meets the requirement. engine oil utk keta tu penting function dia. byk benda nk kena compare- bukan sekadar kelikatan je. e.g. flash pt, TBN, NOACK volatility,etc. setakat yg saya tau, x dak lagi org yg buat research palm oil utk minyak engine tapi klu palm oil utk ganti diesel oil or biodiesel ada la. mungkin gomen bole buat research pasal benda ni. klu nk measure kelikatan tu pun ada caranya "The viscosity index is a measure of how much the oil's viscosity changes as temperature changes" from wikipedia. mekanik ni kdg2 bagi info yg "kurang" reliable. semalam saya pun tanya mekanik pasal minyak masak ni. dia kata utk engine keta x leh pakai tapi utk engine mesin bole la. klu nk confirm kena tanya engineer petronas yg buat research syntium tu. or diaorang x nk bagi tau sbb nanti x dak org nk beli syntium lagi. brader kita kat bawah ni kata, "temp ada low"- ni saya rasa mushkil sikit (correct me). temp level ni bukan ka di setkan oleh thermostat? anyway, sapa nk cuba nk buat experiment tu bole la, tapi klu saya x berani la sbb keta saya engine dia mahal nk repair klu jadi apa2.

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From: mazlan <mazlan@century-chemical.com>
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:33 PM

Bagus tip yg saudara berikan bagi pengunaan Myk Vesawit kat kereta. Kalau kat motor macammana pulak ye?

----- Original Message -----
From: Mohd Suhaimi Jamil
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 11:26 AM- Mazlan
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Salam Geng2 Semua...

Kalau nak guna minyak Vesawit untuk ganti minyak hitam, ni ada tips nye...

Mula2 tukar, mesti tukar filter sekali. Guna dua minggu pastu sebaiknya tukar lagi, buang minyak vesawit lama tu pastu masuk yang baru.. Sebaiknya filter pun tukar sama. Pastu kalau nak ok boleh lah tukar sebulan sekali, tapi filter x semestinyer. .. kereta saya saga, 5kg tu guna separuh botol jer. Pomen tempat saya tukar tu ada buat perbezaan kelikatan. Dia bandingkan minyak Petronas Sintetik yg harga kat Rm200, dgn minyak hitam biasa harga RM30 dan Vesawit. Kelikatan Vesawit sama dgn Petronas punya.. Anda semua pun boleh cuba sendiri.

Satu perkara yg saya perati pas guna Vesawit ni, temp ada low, enjin ada senyap dan smooth. Setakat ni ok...

--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, "mazlan" <mazlan@...> wrote:
>
> Assalamualaikum,
> Saya pun sama, pakai Myk Visawit, murah lagi menjimatkan. Engin pun rasa ringan je...cubalah.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: moderator_bertugas
> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:45 AM- Mazlan
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
>
>
>
>
>
> Salam bro..
>
> Kawan2 kita tu duk citer psl myk petrol.
>
> Kalau nak iklan sila buat tajuk sendiri. InsyaAllah saya akan siarkan.
> Myk motor EX5 sy pakai Brand Seri Murni (2x pemeringkatan) hehehehe
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, Muhammad Rahmat <rahmat_gwsb@ > wrote:
> >
> > salam semua warga automobil
> >
> > kalau pasal minyak engine keta dgn moto, gunalah ELF. Hanya dijual oleh agen Amway sahaja. Kalau nak beli, email saya ye.
> > tima kasih.
> >
> > Regards,
> > rahmat
> >
>
>
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Re: Bincang Psl Myk Sawit

Posted by: "bashah" bwasi@yahoo.com   bwasi

Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:58 pm (PDT)



Setuju dg Cik mat.
Minyak sawit tu utk goreng ikan.
tapi kalau nak goreng engine terpulang.
kena ingat yg sawit tu natural oil.
minyak Engine lagi baguz pakai sintentik. Logam engine pun lain..logam aloi...bukan besi pure.

Piston ring habis dulu kalau pakai minyak bercampur sawit. Gomen boleh la main test2. Gomen banyak duit.

refer:

The black smoke density is not significantly different in the two cases. Wear in the engines fuelled by refined palm oil and diesel oil is not significantly different but wear in the compression rings of the engine fuelled by refined palm oil is significantly higher. (Prateepchaikul G., and Teerawat Apichato, Associate Professor, Department of Mechanical Engineering, Faculty of Engineering, Prince of Songkla University, Hat Yai, Songkla 90112, Thailand. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-palm.html)

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> salam. nk pakai minyak apa pun utk engine oil, first sekali kena compare property minyak tu. klu property meets engine reqirement, pakai la. minyak lintah pun bole gak klu meets the requirement. engine oil utk keta tu penting function dia. byk benda nk kena compare- bukan sekadar kelikatan je. e.g. flash pt, TBN, NOACK volatility,etc. setakat yg saya tau, x dak lagi org yg buat research palm oil utk minyak engine tapi klu palm oil utk ganti diesel oil or biodiesel ada la. mungkin gomen bole buat research pasal benda ni. klu nk measure kelikatan tu pun ada caranya "The viscosity index is a measure of how much the oil's viscosity changes as temperature changes" from wikipedia. mekanik ni kdg2 bagi info yg "kurang" reliable. semalam saya pun tanya mekanik pasal minyak masak ni. dia kata utk engine keta x leh pakai tapi utk engine mesin bole la. klu nk confirm kena tanya engineer petronas yg buat research syntium tu. or diaorang x nk bagi tau sbb nanti x dak
> org nk beli syntium lagi. brader kita kat bawah ni kata, "temp ada low"- ni saya rasa mushkil sikit (correct me). temp level ni bukan ka di setkan oleh thermostat? anyway, sapa nk cuba nk buat experiment tu bole la, tapi klu saya x berani la sbb keta saya engine dia mahal nk repair klu jadi apa2.
>
> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, mazlan <mazlan@...> wrote:
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> From: mazlan <mazlan@...>
> Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:33 PM
>
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> Bagus tip yg saudara berikan bagi pengunaan Myk Vesawit kat kereta. Kalau kat motor macammana pulak ye?
>  
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mohd Suhaimi Jamil
> To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 11:26 AM- Mazlan
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
>
>
>
> Salam Geng2 Semua...
>
> Kalau nak guna minyak Vesawit untuk ganti minyak hitam, ni ada tips nye...
>
> Mula2 tukar, mesti tukar filter sekali. Guna dua minggu pastu sebaiknya tukar lagi, buang minyak vesawit lama tu pastu masuk yang baru.. Sebaiknya filter pun tukar sama. Pastu kalau nak ok boleh lah tukar sebulan sekali, tapi filter x semestinyer. .. kereta saya saga, 5kg tu guna separuh botol jer. Pomen tempat saya tukar tu ada buat perbezaan kelikatan. Dia bandingkan minyak Petronas Sintetik yg harga kat Rm200, dgn minyak hitam biasa harga RM30 dan Vesawit. Kelikatan Vesawit sama dgn Petronas punya.. Anda semua pun boleh cuba sendiri.
>
> Satu perkara yg saya perati pas guna Vesawit ni, temp ada low, enjin ada senyap dan smooth. Setakat ni ok...
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, "mazlan" <mazlan@> wrote:
> >
> > Assalamualaikum,
> > Saya pun sama, pakai Myk Visawit, murah lagi menjimatkan. Engin pun rasa ringan je...cubalah.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: moderator_bertugas
> > To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:45 AM- Mazlan
> > Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Salam bro..
> >
> > Kawan2 kita tu duk citer psl myk petrol.
> >
> > Kalau nak iklan sila buat tajuk sendiri. InsyaAllah saya akan siarkan.
> > Myk motor EX5 sy pakai Brand Seri Murni (2x pemeringkatan) hehehehe
> >
> > --- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, Muhammad Rahmat <rahmat_gwsb@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > salam semua warga automobil
> > >
> > > kalau pasal minyak engine keta dgn moto, gunalah ELF. Hanya dijual oleh agen Amway sahaja. Kalau nak beli, email saya ye.
> > > tima kasih.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > rahmat
> > >
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Re: Risiko mengisi minyak ketika lori tanki mengepam minyak ke tangk

Posted by: "ezil azlan" yusez@yahoo.com   yusez

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:31 am (PDT)



gunalah shell.. saya ada pengalaman menggunakan diesel selain shell.. memang pun filter cepat kotor... bertukar ke shell.. alhamdullialh takde masalah.. terus petrol pun tukar ke shell sebabnya.. kalau mereka boleh mencipta diesel yg bermutu tentunya petrol mereka juga begitu.. Sebenarnya diesel di malaysia memang berkualiti rendah tidak seperti di negara2 jiran kita.. sekadar berkongsi..

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From: nin@yahoogroups.com <nin@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Risiko mengisi minyak ketika lori tanki mengepam minyak ke tangki utama
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 11:18 PM

tok mod.. hide id
ye. kasim je...
email company.
 
kot betul kata
brader mus tu, sah² member brader mad dah kena kencing dek si
pomen.
tapi rasanya
mmg betul la kata brader mus tu...
 

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Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 11:44
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To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
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ke tangki utama

betol ke?
kalau tak salah petrol dari tangki petrol
pump sebelum keluar ke nozzle dah kena filter ntah berapa lapis ntah...
lepas tu kalau bukak enjin pun ada fuel filter utk tapis minyak dari
tangki kenderaan sebelum sampai ke kebuk pembakaran.. ..

!shoot aje
lah!

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Subject:
www.auto.pdniaga. com - Risiko mengisi minyak ketika lori tanki
mengepam minyak ke tangki utama
To: "group krerta"
<automobil@yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Friday, June 5, 2009,
10:38 AM

Saya terima cerita ini dari rakan , katanya beliau mengisi minyak
diesel ke Ford Ranger , isi full tank . Selepas jalan separuh hari
engin tak boleh start. Pomen check katanya filter dah tersumbat dengan
kekotoran. Dikaji balik semasa rakan ini mengisi tanki keretanya, lori
minyak sedang mengepam ke tangki stesen.

Pomen tu kata mungkin
keladak didalam tanki stesen ikut sama masuk ke kereta kawan kita ni,
menyebabkan ianya tersumbat.

Tak tau boleh confirm tak teori
siPomen ni, ada rakan -rakan boleh beri pendapat untuk di kongsi
bersama.

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Re: Risiko mengisi minyak ketika lori tanki mengepam minyak ke tangk

Posted by: "sungai siput" sungaisiput2004@yahoo.com   sungaisiput2004

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:32 am (PDT)



Nissan Frontier kawan saya pun kena sekali.  Masa tu lepas hari raya, stok minyak di stesen sedikit.  Fuel pum (diesel) tersumbat dan engine mati. Pomen nissan cakap keladak seperti majerin.  Tarik ke nissan service centre dan habis RM2100.00.  Pergi tuntut gantirugi dari stesen minyak (di Terengganu). Dia bayar balik. Tokey cakap diesel dah nak habis.

Hati-hati.

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To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 5 June 2009 11:43:48
Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Risiko mengisi minyak ketika lori tanki mengepam minyak ke tangki utama

betol ke?
kalau tak salah petrol dari tangki petrol pump sebelum keluar ke nozzle dah kena filter ntah berapa lapis ntah... lepas tu kalau bukak enjin pun ada fuel filter utk tapis minyak dari tangki kenderaan sebelum sampai ke kebuk pembakaran.. ..

!shoot aje lah!

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Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Risiko mengisi minyak ketika lori tanki mengepam minyak ke tangki utama
To: "group krerta" <automobil@yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 10:38 AM

Saya terima cerita ini dari rakan , katanya beliau mengisi minyak diesel ke Ford Ranger , isi full tank . Selepas jalan separuh hari engin tak boleh start. Pomen check katanya filter dah tersumbat dengan kekotoran. Dikaji balik semasa rakan ini mengisi tanki keretanya, lori minyak sedang mengepam ke tangki stesen.

Pomen tu kata mungkin keladak didalam tanki stesen ikut sama masuk ke kereta kawan kita ni, menyebabkan ianya tersumbat.

Tak tau boleh confirm tak teori siPomen ni, ada rakan -rakan boleh beri pendapat untuk di kongsi bersama.

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Re: Risiko mengisi minyak ketika lori tanki mengepam minyak ke tangk

Posted by: "bashah" bwasi@yahoo.com   bwasi

Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:41 pm (PDT)



Maknanya kualiti diesel Malaysia hampeh! patutla asap mcm asap sembur denggi - lagi hitam lagi aderlah...TERIMAKASIH KERAJAAN MALAYSIA!

dIESEL : ALL FAILED

http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/

It seems all of the diesel sold locally here in Malaysia fail the Euro II Distillation T95 requirements which calls for a maximum temperature of 370 degrees celcius. The lowest would be Fuel D at 370.9 degrees Celcius. 5 out of 6 of the diesel fuel here complies with Euro II's sulphur ppm rating of a maximum of 500ppm, except for Fuel A which is an astronomical 2800ppm, only complying with the current MS123 diesel standard which calls for maximum sulphur of 3000ppm.

PETROL MALAYSIA: CUMA 2 DARI 6 YG PASS EURO II:

Read more: http://paultan.org/archives/2007/02/25/analyzing-fuel-quality-in-malaysia-3-out-of-6-already-euro-ii-compliant-for-petrol/#ixzz0I5QuBLOy&C

As you can see, for our local petrol, it appears that 2 out of 6 already complies to the Euro II specifications: Fuel B and D. It's just too bad we have no idea which petrol is which, as it's not revealed in the presentation. The presentation also noted that actually 3 out of 6 fuels are Euro II compliant, so I assume Fuel E's slightly higher than 5% spec Benzene content is excusable - Fuel E's Benzene content is 5.07%. Does that 0.07% matter? I'm not an oil and gas person, I don't know.

--- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, sungai siput <sungaisiput2004@...> wrote:
>
> Nissan Frontier kawan saya pun kena sekali.  Masa tu lepas hari raya, stok minyak di stesen sedikit.  Fuel pum (diesel) tersumbat dan engine mati. Pomen nissan cakap keladak seperti majerin.  Tarik ke nissan service centre dan habis RM2100.00.  Pergi tuntut gantirugi dari stesen minyak (di Terengganu). Dia bayar balik. Tokey cakap diesel dah nak habis.
>
> Hati-hati.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: almustaqeem <almustaqeem@...>
> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 5 June 2009 11:43:48
> Subject: Re: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Risiko mengisi minyak ketika lori tanki mengepam minyak ke tangki utama
>
>
>
>
>
> betol ke?
> kalau tak salah petrol dari tangki petrol pump sebelum keluar ke nozzle dah kena filter ntah berapa lapis ntah... lepas tu kalau bukak enjin pun ada fuel filter utk tapis minyak dari tangki kenderaan sebelum sampai ke kebuk pembakaran.. ..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> !shoot aje lah!
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Mohmad Abdullah <mbabest@hotmail. com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Mohmad Abdullah <mbabest@hotmail. com>
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Risiko mengisi minyak ketika lori tanki mengepam minyak ke tangki utama
> To: "group krerta" <automobil@yahoogrou ps.com>
> Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 10:38 AM
>
>
> Saya terima cerita ini dari rakan , katanya beliau mengisi minyak diesel ke Ford Ranger , isi full tank . Selepas jalan separuh hari engin tak boleh start. Pomen check katanya filter dah tersumbat dengan kekotoran. Dikaji balik semasa rakan ini mengisi tanki keretanya, lori minyak sedang mengepam ke tangki stesen.
>
> Pomen tu kata mungkin keladak didalam tanki stesen ikut sama masuk ke kereta kawan kita ni, menyebabkan ianya tersumbat.
>
> Tak tau boleh confirm tak teori siPomen ni, ada rakan -rakan boleh beri pendapat untuk di kongsi bersama.
>
>
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Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Posted by: "mohdmat" kedai_tayar@yahoo.com   kedai_tayar

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:31 am (PDT)



saja je nk menyampuk dah lama x tulis, rasa gatal tgn nk menaip. 
I  guess only (sorry aa), ni semua experiment ni hanya pada perasaan sahaja.
"..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap banyak..." asap apa yg byk ni brader. my opinion, kalau asap byk maksudnya combustion process tu x efficient so directly related to torque produced (pickup). wondering mcm mana petronas yg asap sikit bole takde pickup tapi shell yg asap byk bole bagi tinggi. pollutant yg keluar apa namanya, smog ka? smoke + fog. without complete fuel specs from shell  & petronas, susah nk buat judgement mana lebih baik. kat sini ada link yg discuss pasal isu tapi kat US. bole la amik sikit2 yg related.
 
http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/stop-buying-crap/brand-conscious-buying-3-gasoline/
 
klu nk terus kan discuss lagi berdasarkan pengalaman/experiment sendiri bole teruskan utk menghangatkan group ni tapi valid ke tak tu x tau la . klu technical byk sgt, boring gak.

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From: omar@yahoogroups.com <omar@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 3:28 AM

Salam. Tok Mod sorok ID yeee…
Saya dah pakai Petronas dan skrg pengguna tetap Shell sejak berbelas tahun dahulu…
Bukan tak nak guna Petronas tapi performance kete tak memuaskan. Pikap lembap satu hal,tapi  bila speeding jerking semacam je.
Lagipun guna Shell boleh kumpul model kete Ferrari  he he he
 

From: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:automobil@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of awie533
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:36 PM
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
 

aku pun setuju sbb aku dah test pakai petronas langsung takda pickup dan juga berat gila...shell best!!!!!!!! !!
tak percaya kau org test sendiri tp kat unser aku perbezaan ketara sangat.mengapa eek??

 

From: Abdul Rahman bin Johari <arahman@newhoongfat t.com.my>
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 11:48:27 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

ntahla, pada aku minyak petronas kalau pakai..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap banyak...minyak petronas ni awal2 dulu je kata bersihla, mmg awal2 pakai bersih tapi lama2 dah tak bersih

m wrote:

Petronas vs Shell, mana paling bagus? Errr paling best oil price below RM1.50 seliter, ha ha hah! sorry melawak lak! Pada aku Shell best la! Pickup dan penjimatan ada la sket,

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From: wan <reduanhanif@ yahoo.com>
Date: 2009/6/2
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com

 
salam,

aku pun ade jugak buat ujikaji petronas dgn shell nih.aku try kat moto aku gak.dan aku dapati mmg petronas lagi pikap,power dan lebih jimat.top speed pun lebih kepada petronas.shell bile gune enjin mmg kasar dan pikap takde.enjin motor aku bunyi bising.dari segi jimat.klu pegi balik keje setiap ari, aku leh dpt extra lebih sehari kalau guna minyak petronas compare dgn shell. kesimpulannye, petronas lebih pikap,power dan jimat dari shell.petronas mmg boleh pegi lebih jauh...shell lebih kilometer je.jauh2 tak leh pegi.keke

--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, idea_um idea_um07 <idea_um07@.. .> wrote:
>
> aku ada bt skit ujikaji tentang perbezaan minyak petrons ngn shell, ak dapat rasa bila aku isi minyak petronas ak bw motor tu rasa lebih pikap dan rasa smooth je enjin nye xdela kasar, mean the performance is very good jika dibandingkan bila aku isi minyak shell , aku rasa enjim motor rasa rough jer dan sangat kasar bunyi enjin motor tu. ni experience aku la masa aku blaja dulu . ak xpuas ati gak dan aku repeat ujian ni tp the result is still same. minatk ulsan member sume.
>  
>  
> menurut member aku, ms kj dulu, die ckp minyak petronas klu dari segi performance mmg bgs coz lebih pikap tp klu save minyak shell lbh save.
> so, aku ada bt experiment mengenai perkara ni, tp sebelum tu ak bersetuju la dgn die bahawa minyak petronas lbh pikat dan smooth coz ak dapat rasai nye before this. yang mengenai save tu ak bt la skit kajian dan result nye petronas lbh kilometer yan ak dapt tp the result can be question la coz the parameter   is not properly well. ak bt dlam tiga replicate. mintak ulasan sume pihak demi kebaikan bersama.
>  
> nnti ak nk bli minyak ltk dlam botol plak, ak sampi skang still xpuas ati coz ramai yang ckp minyak petrons skit je dapt.jika bnr nk tukar minyak lain lak .
>
 
 

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Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Posted by: "lan loqius" rxzabd@yahoo.com   rxzabd

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:32 am (PDT)



Ntah lah...dulu saya isi je mane2 pum minyak. Petronas ke, Shell ke, Esso & Mobil ke...
Tapi sekarang dah lama x isi kat petronas sebab dia x accept kad real rewards lama saya( yang kaler merah tu).
Dia suruh tukar baru tapi x sempat buat lagi. So sekarang isi kat shell jelah sebab nak kumpul point bonus link.
Dapat payung pun ok gak.

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From: almustaqeem <almustaqeem@yahoo.com>
To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 12:05:42 AM
Subject:RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

saya pernah guna petronas, caltex, esso & shell... takde rase apa beza pon dari segi performance.
dari segi penjimatan rasanya shell ada sikit jimat... tak tahu lah mungkin perasaan aje kot... gaya pemanduan juga tak sama... so susah nak buat perbandingan.
walau apa pun, saya kerap isi shell sebab petrol pump dekat ngan rumah.... bukan sebab performance ke, jimat ke, ferrari ke....

!shoot aje lah!

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From: omar@yahoogroups. com <omar@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: "automobil@yahoogro ups.com" <automobil@yahoogrou ps.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 6:28 PM

Salam. Tok Mod sorok ID yeee…
Saya dah pakai Petronas dan skrg pengguna tetap Shell sejak berbelas tahun dahulu…
Bukan tak nak guna Petronas tapi performance kete tak memuaskan. Pikap lembap satu hal,tapi bila speeding jerking semacam je.
Lagipun guna Shell boleh kumpul model kete Ferrari  he he he
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Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:36 PM
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject:Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
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aku pun setuju sbb aku dah test pakai petronas langsung takda pickup dan juga berat gila...shell best!!!!!!!! !!
tak percaya kau org test sendiri tp kat unser aku perbezaan ketara sangat.mengapa eek??
Â

________________________________

From:Abdul Rahman bin Johari <arahman@newhoongfat t.com.my>
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 11:48:27 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
ntahla, pada aku minyak petronas kalau pakai..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap banyak...minyak petronas ni awal2 dulu je kata bersihla, mmg awal2 pakai bersih tapi lama2 dah tak bersih

m wrote:
Petronas vs Shell, mana paling bagus? Errr paling best oil price below RM1.50 seliter, ha ha hah! sorry melawak lak! Pada aku Shell best la! Pickup dan penjimatan ada la sket,
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: wan <reduanhanif@ yahoo.com>
Date: 2009/6/2
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com

Â
salam,

aku pun ade jugak buat ujikaji petronas dgn shell nih.aku try kat moto aku gak.dan aku dapati mmg petronas lagi pikap,power dan lebih jimat.top speed pun lebih kepada petronas.shell bile gune enjin mmg kasar dan pikap takde.enjin motor aku bunyi bising.dari segi jimat.klu pegi balik keje setiap ari, aku leh dpt extra lebih sehari kalau guna minyak petronas compare dgn shell. kesimpulannye, petronas lebih pikap,power dan jimat dari shell.petronas mmg boleh pegi lebih jauh...shell lebih kilometer je.jauh2 tak leh pegi.keke

--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, idea_um idea_um07 <idea_um07@.. .> wrote:
>
> aku ada bt skit ujikaji tentang perbezaan minyak petrons ngn shell, ak dapat rasa bila aku isi minyak petronas ak bw motor tu rasa lebih pikap dan rasa smooth je enjin nye xdela kasar, mean the performance is very good jika dibandingkan bila aku isi minyak shell , aku rasa enjim motor rasa rough jer dan sangat kasar bunyi enjin motor tu. ni experience aku la masa aku blaja dulu . ak xpuas ati gak dan aku repeat ujian ni tp the result is still same. minatk ulsan member sume.
> Â
> Â
> menurut member aku, ms kj dulu, die ckp minyak petronas klu dari segi performance mmg bgs coz lebih pikap tp klu save minyak shell lbh save.
> so, aku ada bt experiment mengenai perkara ni, tp sebelum tu ak bersetuju la dgn die bahawa minyak petronas lbh pikat dan smooth coz ak dapat rasai nye before this. yang mengenai save tu ak bt la skit kajian dan result nye petronas lbh kilometer yan ak dapt tp the result can be question la coz the parameter  is not properly well. ak bt dlam tiga replicate. mintak ulasan sume pihak demi kebaikan bersama.
> Â
> nnti ak nk bli minyak ltk dlam botol plak, ak sampi skang still xpuas ati coz ramai yang ckp minyak petrons skit je dapt.jika bnr nk tukar minyak lain lak .
>
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Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Posted by: "Ijam@yahoogroups.com" Ijam@yahoogroups.com

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:51 pm (PDT)



tok mode , id sorok..
Ijam je...

kalau nak pick up..kurang kan beban kereta..cth ...jgn isi minyak penuh...
sekali isi..letak rm 20~30 je...kurang skit beban keta...minyak consumption
pun kurang ....
kalau keta lama..service kena kerap...sebelum normal servicing....
kalau gear manual...kena ler pandai main gear...baru pick up...
dlm town...jgn bawa laju..ikut had laju...kalau tak ...bazir minyak....
so conclusion...pakai je minyak petronas...atau shell..
pilih ler yg banyak ganjaran....
aku pakai petronas je...

rgds

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saja je nk menyampuk dah lama x tulis, rasa gatal tgn nk menaip.


I guess only (sorry aa), ni semua experiment ni hanya pada perasaan sahaja.
"..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap banyak..." asap apa yg byk ni brader. my opinion,
kalau asap byk maksudnya combustion process tu x efficient so directly related to torque produced (pickup). wondering mcm mana petronas yg asap
sikit bole takde pickup tapi shell yg asap byk bole bagi tinggi. pollutant yg keluar apa namanya, smog ka? smoke + fog. without complete fuel specs
from shell & petronas, susah nk buat judgement mana lebih baik. kat sini ada link yg discuss pasal isu tapi kat US. bole la amik sikit2 yg related.

http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/stop-buying-crap/brand-conscious-buying-3-gasoline/

klu nk terus kan discuss lagi berdasarkan pengalaman/experiment sendiri bole teruskan utk menghangatkan group ni tapi valid ke tak tu x tau la . klu
technical byk sgt, boring gak.

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From: omar@yahoogroups.com <omar@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 3:28 AM



Salam. Tok Mod sorok ID yeee…


Saya dah pakai Petronas dan skrg pengguna tetap Shell sejak berbelas tahun dahulu…


Bukan tak nak guna Petronas tapi performance kete tak memuaskan. Pikap lembap satu hal,tapi bila speeding jerking semacam je.


Lagipun guna Shell boleh kumpul model kete Ferrari he he he





From: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:automobil@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of awie533
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:36 PM
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
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aku pun setuju sbb aku dah test pakai petronas langsung takda pickup dan juga berat gila...shell best!!!!!!!! !!
tak percaya kau org test sendiri tp kat unser aku perbezaan ketara sangat.mengapa eek??








From: Abdul Rahman bin Johari <arahman@newhoongfat t.com.my>
To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 11:48:27 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell


ntahla, pada aku minyak petronas kalau pakai..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap
banyak...minyak petronas ni awal2 dulu je kata bersihla, mmg awal2 pakai bersih tapi lama2 dah tak bersih

m wrote:
Petronas vs Shell, mana paling bagus? Errr paling best oil price below RM1.50 seliter, ha ha hah! sorry melawak lak! Pada aku Shell best
la! Pickup dan penjimatan ada la sket,


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Date: 2009/6/2
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
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salam,

aku pun ade jugak buat ujikaji petronas dgn shell nih.aku try kat moto aku gak.dan aku dapati mmg petronas lagi pikap,power dan lebih
jimat.top speed pun lebih kepada petronas.shell bile gune enjin mmg kasar dan pikap takde.enjin motor aku bunyi bising.dari segi
jimat.klu pegi balik keje setiap ari, aku leh dpt extra lebih sehari kalau guna minyak petronas compare dgn shell. kesimpulannye,
petronas lebih pikap,power dan jimat dari shell.petronas mmg boleh pegi lebih jauh...shell lebih kilometer je.jauh2 tak leh pegi.keke

--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, idea_um idea_um07 <idea_um07@.. .> wrote:
>
> aku ada bt skit ujikaji tentang perbezaan minyak petrons ngn shell, ak dapat rasa bila aku isi minyak petronas ak bw motor tu rasa
lebih pikap dan rasa smooth je enjin nye xdela kasar, mean the performance is very good jika dibandingkan bila aku isi minyak shell ,
aku rasa enjim motor rasa rough jer dan sangat kasar bunyi enjin motor tu. ni experience aku la masa aku blaja dulu . ak xpuas ati gak
dan aku repeat ujian ni tp the result is still same. minatk ulsan member sume.
>
>
> menurut member aku, ms kj dulu, die ckp minyak petronas klu dari segi performance mmg bgs coz lebih pikap tp klu save minyak shell lbh
save.
> so, aku ada bt experiment mengenai perkara ni, tp sebelum tu ak bersetuju la dgn die bahawa minyak petronas lbh pikat dan smooth coz
ak dapat rasai nye before this. yang mengenai save tu ak bt la skit kajian dan result nye petronas lbh kilometer yan ak dapt tp the
result can be question la coz the parameter is not properly well. ak bt dlam tiga replicate. mintak ulasan sume pihak demi kebaikan
bersama.
>
> nnti ak nk bli minyak ltk dlam botol plak, ak sampi skang still xpuas ati coz ramai yang ckp minyak petrons skit je dapt.jika bnr nk
tukar minyak lain lak .
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3.4.

Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Posted by: "Mohmad Abdullah" mbabest@hotmail.com   matdollahmy

Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:58 pm (PDT)




Ada orang kata kalau isi minyak tak penuh, bahagian yang kena wap air tu mudah karat, nanti tangki karat pulak .

Mungkin gilir -gilir ok kot, kejap penuh kejap tak , jadi lapisan minya selaput tak mudah karat .

Belum kaji lagi

To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
From: Ijam@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:26:15 +0800
Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell


























tok mode , id sorok..

Ijam je...



kalau nak pick up..kurang kan beban kereta..cth ...jgn isi minyak penuh...

sekali isi..letak rm 20~30 je...kurang skit beban keta...minyak consumption

pun kurang ....

kalau keta lama..service kena kerap...sebelum normal servicing....

kalau gear manual...kena ler pandai main gear...baru pick up...

dlm town...jgn bawa laju..ikut had laju...kalau tak ...bazir minyak....

so conclusion...pakai je minyak petronas...atau shell..

pilih ler yg banyak ganjaran....

aku pakai petronas je...



rgds



mohdmat <kedai_tayar@yahoo.com>@yahoogroups.com on 06/07/2009 05:32:35 PM



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saja je nk menyampuk dah lama x tulis, rasa gatal tgn nk menaip.





I guess only (sorry aa), ni semua experiment ni hanya pada perasaan sahaja.

"..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap banyak..." asap apa yg byk ni brader. my opinion,

kalau asap byk maksudnya combustion process tu x efficient so directly related to torque produced (pickup). wondering mcm mana petronas yg asap

sikit bole takde pickup tapi shell yg asap byk bole bagi tinggi. pollutant yg keluar apa namanya, smog ka? smoke + fog. without complete fuel specs

from shell & petronas, susah nk buat judgement mana lebih baik. kat sini ada link yg discuss pasal isu tapi kat US. bole la amik sikit2 yg related.



http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/stop-buying-crap/brand-conscious-buying-3-gasoline/



klu nk terus kan discuss lagi berdasarkan pengalaman/experiment sendiri bole teruskan utk menghangatkan group ni tapi valid ke tak tu x tau la . klu

technical byk sgt, boring gak.



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Subject: RE: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

To: "automobil@yahoogroups.com" <automobil@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 3:28 AM







Salam. Tok Mod sorok ID yeee…





Saya dah pakai Petronas dan skrg pengguna tetap Shell sejak berbelas tahun dahulu…





Bukan tak nak guna Petronas tapi performance kete tak memuaskan. Pikap lembap satu hal,tapi bila speeding jerking semacam je.





Lagipun guna Shell boleh kumpul model kete Ferrari he he he











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Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:36 PM

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aku pun setuju sbb aku dah test pakai petronas langsung takda pickup dan juga berat gila...shell best!!!!!!!! !!

tak percaya kau org test sendiri tp kat unser aku perbezaan ketara sangat.mengapa eek??

















From: Abdul Rahman bin Johari <arahman@newhoongfat t.com.my>

To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 11:48:27 PM

Subject: Re: Fwd: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell





ntahla, pada aku minyak petronas kalau pakai..pickup takde, berat tapi asap sikit...berbanding kalau pakai shell, pickup mmg pickup tp asap

banyak...minyak petronas ni awal2 dulu je kata bersihla, mmg awal2 pakai bersih tapi lama2 dah tak bersih



m wrote:

Petronas vs Shell, mana paling bagus? Errr paling best oil price below RM1.50 seliter, ha ha hah! sorry melawak lak! Pada aku Shell best

la! Pickup dan penjimatan ada la sket,





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From: wan <reduanhanif@ yahoo.com>

Date: 2009/6/2

Subject: www.auto.pdniaga. com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

To: automobil@yahoogrou ps.com













salam,



aku pun ade jugak buat ujikaji petronas dgn shell nih.aku try kat moto aku gak.dan aku dapati mmg petronas lagi pikap,power dan lebih

jimat.top speed pun lebih kepada petronas.shell bile gune enjin mmg kasar dan pikap takde.enjin motor aku bunyi bising.dari segi

jimat.klu pegi balik keje setiap ari, aku leh dpt extra lebih sehari kalau guna minyak petronas compare dgn shell. kesimpulannye,

petronas lebih pikap,power dan jimat dari shell.petronas mmg boleh pegi lebih jauh...shell lebih kilometer je.jauh2 tak leh pegi.keke



--- In automobil@yahoogrou ps.com, idea_um idea_um07 <idea_um07@.. .> wrote:

>

> aku ada bt skit ujikaji tentang perbezaan minyak petrons ngn shell, ak dapat rasa bila aku isi minyak petronas ak bw motor tu rasa

lebih pikap dan rasa smooth je enjin nye xdela kasar, mean the performance is very good jika dibandingkan bila aku isi minyak shell ,

aku rasa enjim motor rasa rough jer dan sangat kasar bunyi enjin motor tu. ni experience aku la masa aku blaja dulu . ak xpuas ati gak

dan aku repeat ujian ni tp the result is still same. minatk ulsan member sume.

>

>

> menurut member aku, ms kj dulu, die ckp minyak petronas klu dari segi performance mmg bgs coz lebih pikap tp klu save minyak shell lbh

save.

> so, aku ada bt experiment mengenai perkara ni, tp sebelum tu ak bersetuju la dgn die bahawa minyak petronas lbh pikat dan smooth coz

ak dapat rasai nye before this. yang mengenai save tu ak bt la skit kajian dan result nye petronas lbh kilometer yan ak dapt tp the

result can be question la coz the parameter is not properly well. ak bt dlam tiga replicate. mintak ulasan sume pihak demi kebaikan

bersama.

>

> nnti ak nk bli minyak ltk dlam botol plak, ak sampi skang still xpuas ati coz ramai yang ckp minyak petrons skit je dapt.jika bnr nk

tukar minyak lain lak .

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Re: Kaset "Ujang- Din beramboi"

Posted by: "Mohammad.Sani@skf.com" Mohammad.Sani@skf.com

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:31 am (PDT)



tq kawan2....hihihiihi

sentto-6861406-25050-1244253389-Mohammad.Sani=skf.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com

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cari je dalam www.imeem.com...

search din beramboi atau ujang atau sebagainya

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From: Mohammad.Sani@skf.com <Mohammad.Sani@skf..com>
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Kaset "Ujang- Din beramboi"
To: geng_santai@yahoogroups.com, malaysianews@yahoogroups.com,
melayucyber@yahoogroups.com, jenaka@yahoogroups.com,
UiTM-melaka@yahoogroups.com, automobil@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 6:44 AM

Mintak lalu tuan mod....

Mintak tolong... sesiapa ada buat copy kaset "Ujang- Din beramboi" ke
dalam bentuk MP3.... leh x nak mintak kat korang....
Ala... yang ada berbalas pantun 2 lah... kalau x salah kaset ni top masa
tahun 1995...
TQ....

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Beli kereta Perodua

Posted by: "joeyanis_73" joeyanis_73@yahoo.com.my   joeyanis_73

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:31 am (PDT)



layari blog http://perodua-anda.blogspot.com dan dptkan diskaun terkini
serta hadiah-hadian menarik..
hubungi joe di 012-9834842

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6a.

KOS Cermin bekalang kancil model baru lampu bulat

Posted by: "Dollah mamat" dollahmamat@yahoo.com   dollahmamat

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:32 am (PDT)



Assalamualaikum.....
...saya nak tanya, kos pasang cermin belakang kancil berapa harganya...????
Rata-rata saya tanya area Puchong & Cheras dalam RM220, itu siap upah.....dlm RM50....!!!!
...ada sapa-sapa yang dah biasa pasang cermin belakang kancil...!!!!
...memerlukan info.....
TQ...

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Re: KOS Cermin bekalang kancil model baru lampu bulat

Posted by: "Mazuki Pandak Husin" mazukitd05@yahoo.com   mazukitd05

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:50 pm (PDT)



waalaikumusalam...
lebih kurang harga nye kat mana2pun,kalau nak murah kena cari cermin murah le kat area puchong tu bsepah bro

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Assalamualaikum. ....
...saya nak tanya, kos pasang cermin belakang kancil berapa harganya...? ???
Rata-rata saya tanya area Puchong & Cheras dalam RM220, itu siap upah.....dlm RM50....!!!!
...ada sapa-sapa yang dah biasa pasang cermin belakang kancil...!!! !
...memerlukan info.....
TQ...
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7.1.

Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Posted by: "Mohd Suhaimi Jamil" fsuhaimi@yahoo.com   fsuhaimi

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:33 am (PDT)



Salam Geng2 Semua...

Kalau nak guna minyak Vesawit untuk ganti minyak hitam, ni ada tips nye...

Mula2 tukar, mesti tukar filter sekali. Guna dua minggu pastu sebaiknya tukar lagi, buang minyak vesawit lama tu pastu masuk yang baru.. Sebaiknya filter pun tukar sama. Pastu kalau nak ok boleh lah tukar sebulan sekali, tapi filter x semestinyer... kereta saya saga, 5kg tu guna separuh botol jer. Pomen tempat saya tukar tu ada buat perbezaan kelikatan. Dia bandingkan minyak Petronas Sintetik yg harga kat Rm200, dgn minyak hitam biasa harga RM30 dan Vesawit. Kelikatan Vesawit sama dgn Petronas punya.. Anda semua pun boleh cuba sendiri.

Satu perkara yg saya perati pas guna Vesawit ni, temp ada low, enjin ada senyap dan smooth. Setakat ni ok...

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> Assalamualaikum,
> Saya pun sama, pakai Myk Visawit, murah lagi menjimatkan. Engin pun rasa ringan je...cubalah.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: automobil@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:45 AM- Mazlan
> Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell
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>
>
>
>
> Salam bro..
>
> Kawan2 kita tu duk citer psl myk petrol.
>
> Kalau nak iklan sila buat tajuk sendiri. InsyaAllah saya akan siarkan.
> Myk motor EX5 sy pakai Brand Seri Murni (2x pemeringkatan) hehehehe
>
> --- In automobil@yahoogroups.com, Muhammad Rahmat <rahmat_gwsb@> wrote:
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> > salam semua warga automobil
> >
> > kalau pasal minyak engine keta dgn moto, gunalah ELF. Hanya dijual oleh agen Amway sahaja. Kalau nak beli, email saya ye.
> > tima kasih.
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Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Posted by: "mazlan" mazlan@century-chemical.com   sridiala

Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:54 pm (PDT)



Bagus tip yg saudara berikan bagi pengunaan Myk Vesawit kat kereta. Kalau kat motor macammana pulak ye?

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 11:26 AM- Mazlan
Subject: www.auto.pdniaga.com - Re: minyak petrons vs shell

Salam Geng2 Semua...

Kalau nak guna minyak Vesawit untuk ganti minyak hitam, ni ada tips nye...

Mula2 tukar, mesti tukar filter sekali. Guna dua minggu pastu sebaiknya tukar lagi, buang minyak vesawit lama tu pastu masuk yang baru.. Sebaiknya filter pun tukar sama. Pastu kalau nak ok boleh lah tukar sebulan sekali, tapi filter x semestinyer... kereta saya saga, 5kg tu guna separuh botol jer. Pomen tempat saya tukar tu ada buat perbezaan kelikatan. Dia bandingkan minyak Petronas Sintetik yg harga kat Rm200, dgn minyak hitam biasa harga RM30 dan Vesawit. Kelikatan Vesawit sama dgn Petronas punya.. Anda semua pun boleh cuba sendiri.

Satu perkara yg saya perati pas guna Vesawit ni, temp ada low, enjin ada senyap dan smooth. Setakat ni ok...

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> Assalamualaikum,
> Saya pun sama, pakai Myk Visawit, murah lagi menjimatkan. Engin pun rasa ringan je...cubalah.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
>
>
>
> Salam bro..
>
> Kawan2 kita tu duk citer psl myk petrol.
>
> Kalau nak iklan sila buat tajuk sendiri. InsyaAllah saya akan siarkan.
> Myk motor EX5 sy pakai Brand Seri Murni (2x pemeringkatan) hehehehe
>
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> >
> > salam semua warga automobil
> >
> > kalau pasal minyak engine keta dgn moto, gunalah ELF. Hanya dijual oleh agen Amway sahaja. Kalau nak beli, email saya ye.
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8.

minta pendapat waja vs volvo 850

Posted by: "Yasmi Yahaya" yasmi@ymail.com   wnh8067

Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:58 pm (PDT)



Assalamualaikum..
 
nak minta pendapat..
 
saya mempunyai PROTON WAJA 1.6 AUTO 2001 cadang nak tukar VOLVO 850 1996.
 
apa pendapat korang semua..
 
sekian, terima kasih

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